Most of you are NOT a child of God - Here is the proof.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: DeathSlayer

The problem with taking a biblical take on things, especially an old testament /ancient Jewish perspective is that all that is borrowed from other established cultures of the time.

Most dont know or want to admit this BUT

Ancient jews were more like gypsies than a strong community. They were nomadic herders. Moses offered them a civilizing force that was HEAVILY influenced by babylon.

The "chosen" people were self appointed chosen ones. The truth is that they took the spiritual beliefs of the day and made it their own....MUCH LIKE mormons, and every other new christian sect today. Imagine if the Catholic church is long gone in 1000 years but Mormons still exist...they will have claim to the material that was once entirely Catholic, European, Roman, ect...NOT an American, frontier spirituality, new age / reinvented colonial christianity with occult influences from current times.......

In their infancy Jews were completely wrong in their interpretation of the spiritual norm of the day....according to the ones who founded and developed the material that Jews borrowed from.

I know. Sorry.

Hi,

You know man has been on this planet for a very long time. It is unfortunate that there is not a library available for all us to research all of our doubts and questions. What we do have is bits and pieces of different times on this planet and some of these tidbits are well known forgeries.

How long has man attempted to link man to the ape but there is no proof. You know why? Because we did not evolve from monkeys.

We were made in the image of God. My ancestors did not poop in their hands and throw it at each other.

Thank God!

a reply to: tadaman

Correct. Have you read about the Ugarit Text?

This is a quote from Wikipedia:

After its destruction in the early 12th century BC, Ugarit's location was forgotten until 1928 when a peasant accidentally opened an old tomb while ploughing a field. The discovered area was the necropolis of Ugarit located in the nearby seaport of Minet el-Beida. Excavations have since revealed a city with a prehistory reaching back to ca. 6000 BC.

The material found at Ugarit blows the lid off everything most Christian accept about God (EL) and who is or is not a son of EL. It turns out that that while EL was called the “creator god” it was believed this “father of all gods” had as many 52 sons, Baal and Dagon being chief among them. Then were were the lesser gods, Mot, Ashtar, Astarte, Lotan, Melqart, Resheph, and others. Most shocking of all is the name Yahweh. This son of El does more than make an appearance in the Hebrew scriptures, he become the central character.

originally posted by: wasaka

originally posted by: wasaka

originally posted by: DeathSlayer







We are all part of God's creation but we all are not God's children.

The idea of God is an evolutionary idea. One which has had a cultural progression from polytheism to monolarity in various places throughout human history, from Kemet (Egypt) to Levant (Canaan). The religion of ancient Israel is a product of this same process. They borrowed not only their neighbor’s architecture but the name of their god as well, then the nature of this tribal deity changed over time.

The greatest discovery made at the Ugarit site was a collection of tablets carved with (a then) unknown cuneiform script. In 1932 some of the tablets were deciphered. The literature of the city and the theology contained therein go a very long way in helping us to understand the meaning of various Biblical passages as well as aiding us in deciphering difficult Hebrew words, phrases, concepts, and ideas.

No less than seven different scripts were in use at Ugarit: Egyptian and Luwian hieroglyphs, and Cypro-Minoan, Sumerian, Akkadian, Hurrian, and Ugaritic cuneiform. These “Ugaritic texts” contain detailed descriptions of the Canaanite religion that Abraham encountered after he left his native Ur. Most interesting among these details are references to a god named EL or Elohim, which translates loosely as “the Lord.” From these inscribed clay tablets we learn that while many gods were worshiped, in the Canaanite Pantheon it was EL who reigned supreme over all the deities.

Christian and Jewish apologists tell us the religion of Ugarit and the religion of ancient Israel were not the same, but there were some striking overlaps. For example, the name of the ultimate divine authority at Ugarit was EL, one of the names of the God of Israel (e.g., Gen 33:20). EL was described as an aged god with white hair, seated on a throne. However, at Ugarit, EL was sovereign, but another god ran things on earth for EL as his vizier. That god’s name was Baal, a name quite familiar to anyone who has read the Old Testament.

It turns out that that while EL was called the “creator god” it was believed this “father of all gods” had as many 52 sons, Baal and Dagon being chief among them. Then were were the lesser gods, Mot, Ashtar, Astarte, Lotan, Melqart, Resheph, and others. Most shocking of all is the name Yahweh. This son of El does more than make an appearance in the Hebrew scriptures, he become the central character. However, 100 years before Abraham was born EL and Yahweh were written about by pantheist and preserved in clay at Ugarit.

According to the Hebrew scripture, Abraham first encounters EL (or rather a priest of EL Elyon) in the city of Jerusalem, which was known in antiquity as Salem. In the Book of Genesis, Abraham rescues his kidnapped nephew, Lot, from the Mesopotamians, and on returning from battle he meets Melchizedek, king of Salem, who gives him bread and wine and blesses him in the name of El Elyon (“God Most High”). Until the Ugaritic texts were decoded, it was just assumed this was the same God to whom Christian pray–-but was it?

Well written! Star for you!

I see you are well versed in the ancient studies. What you bring up in your post is worth a white paper alone! I have seen thesis written on this very subject and go off in two different directions.

We have numerous records during these times and very few are of religious nature - most are from daily commerce transactions and legal judgments.

One thing is definite - the ancients worshipped various gods. Even Moses himself serve Egyptian gods for many years.

I can not prove what I am about to say but one of the reasons for Jehovah having Joshua and his army to destroy everything in Canaanite, men, women, children, the animals etc.... it was a cleansing for the people worshipped false gods. They sacrificed their children to idols etc... God did not want his children exposed to these people. But eventually they did.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

LOL

Yeah I am not completely squared away with the current models of evolution. I dont think the process is inexistent though I think this going theory has had too much vested interest by people who are small and intellectually isolated and end up falling into logical fallacies...Fallacies that place us at the pinnacle of human evolution and simultaneously place any other form of humanoid life at our ass behind us on a neat little scale. Its retarded no matter how you look at it, but its absurd to deny a natural process we have started to observe. IMO evolution and God are only at odds in the people who are dishonest to begin with and try to make one argument the one of their "camp". When it comes to choosing sides in an intellectual endeavor you only choose which side of the stupidity you lay claim to. Truth should be the objective for both spiritual and scientific pursuits.

Also, you are correct in that we only have tit bits. BUT it is the diligent student that can reassemble the library you say we are lacking and do so in his own mind. If you know the many pieces available through a multi disciplined approach to history then you start to learn the pattern of history and human tendencies. You have to be able to know our potential without bias and you have to have a knowledge base that you are not too much of a coward to challenge and dismiss on the fly no matter how many years you dedicate to it.

If you think your little insignificant life spent in study of something would be a "waste" if it were all wrong then maybe you should have become a wrestler or a racer where an absolute victory is offered to the strongest.

Spending mental energies trying not to be wrong is retarded. How about spending ALL energy in the honest pursuit of knowledge. That is true for religious types as well.

If you cant be bothered to immerse yourself in ALL ASPECTS of your faith then you are scared of the arguments against it and only face them when you feel confident enough to shoot them down from your side of the issue.

Cowardice in any event.

Be honest and brave my friends. The truth doesnt give a damn about you, our world, our collective invested effort in our pursuits or anything else you can throw at each other.

Take it ALL IN. Then you decide based on what you reveal to yourself.

a reply to: wasaka

Yes sir. That is true.

The 50 somewhat supreme gods or holy titles of a supreme God, is actually a common theme for ancient world spirituality. These Gods usually ruled over humanity by way of their offspring with mortals. So demi gods that were both human and divine ruled the mortal world in the name of their Gods /parents....sounds familiar no?

Jesus was both human and divine....mediator to God....of a virgin birth like MANY demi gods, endowed with supernatural powers....wisdom....etcetera...all for the guidance of humanity into the supreme Gods favor....as was the motive always.

What most spiritualities hold as their own invention is usually a repeated common theme in human spirituality from every age.

Have a good one.
Hold it down.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Stop reading the bible..

We are all (1.6 trillion beings) that have ever passed on this earth...the same...

We are ALL 386 computers and we all get the same OS system when we come into this life..

I am a hobbit.
I am a movie star.
I am Rich..
I am poor.
I am a person that will murder people later (Govt, military, gang)
I believe my belief so much I will kill those that don't....

I am so important that I need to tell others they are not....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

lol

These discussions are exactly why I find faith to be greater than religion. Actually I find faith to be true and religion to be, for the most part, patently false. It is not a competition. God is God. God does NOT subscribe to one particular religious ideology ignoring all others. Religion wants you to believe that, because religion is about superiority over others. A way to say "I'm better than you are."

The problem is, even within one base religion, such as Christianity, you have various offshoots who all think they are "better" than the next. Baptist, Southern Baptist, Protestant, Catholic, all in belief that their specific way is THE way. The joke's on you. God did not create this majestic universe, pick out one specific planet, and populate it with vast races and cultures of people to simply say, "I only like this one specific group."

It's bs. I doubt God spends one second of any given day contemplating the fate of any human on Earth. Especially, based on religion.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

John 3:10;
“This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.”


Does this only refer to Israelites?

Or believers in Jesus' "divinity"?


Without being either of the above...

If I Love and do good, am I not a child of God, as John proclaims I would be?

a reply to: oxidadoblanco

I am so important that I need to tell others they are not....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yep! That's it right there! You hit the nail on the head!

Me so special, you so not!

a reply to: DeathSlayer

in order to prove the bible wrong you would have to prove all 66 books are false and you can not do that. You can point out possible errors within a few books BUT you can NOT prove the bible to be wrong and deceitful.

Good try.

i'll start with book one. Genesis 4-17 Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch.

Who did cain marry if Adam,Eve,Abel who was slain, And Cain were the only humans on earth???

whole book is malarkey. all 66 chapters.
have a good day

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Can you explain then why the Son said in Matthew 15:24, '... "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" '?

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
I have thought long and hard on this subject and often thought to not write about the subject matter at hand because it will stir up many people's emotions but I believe it is now time to share. I hope we can keep this civil.

For this thread I would like to use the word Israelites also as the Jewish people. Now I know that is a touchy area but for those who are not familiar with the difference lets leave it as interchangeable.

It is not interchangeable.Israel and Judah(Jews) were not the same.The 12 tribes of Israel split into two kingdoms in around 920 BCE.The Northern kingdom became Israel and The southern kingdom became Judah.Israel was soon assimilated into many other cultures and nations and the main one in the middle east was Samaritans. The fact is you cannot act as if Judah is Israel when it never was.It was only 1 tribe of 12 before the kingdom split.The “genetic”Jews were NEVER the exclusive chosen people of God…no “genetic” nation was or is.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
Not everyone is a child of God and many today are not. Where is the proof?
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So now the Summary - these books deal with the Israelites ...... forget any other tribes mentioned in the bible - the main subject of these five books concern the Israelites. God chose these people as his own children, the first being Adam. He did not choose anyone else. He called them his children. He did not call any other tribe on this planet his children.... only the Israelites. Throughout the entire Old Testament ONLY the Israelites are called his children.... no one else. Lets put Abraham on the shelf and get closer with Moses.

There is no “proof” as you are proposing.You are just extrapolating from the scriptures and forming elitist religious rhetoric.Israel is the archetype of ALL of mankind.ALL of mankind are the promise of the many “called people” made to Abraham that his descendants would be as many as there are stars which is WAY beyond any genetic Israelites or especially Jews.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
So what changed?Jesus and his 12 apostles changed everything.
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And it is here where God's children are identified:

John 14:5 - Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" 6. Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. 7. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”…

What Yahoshua said is true.Thomas is an archetype of the believer that must “see” to believe yet Yahoshua tells him if he had “known” him he would have “known the Father” also,he didn’t say anything about belief.Thomas eventually comes to "know" the hard way.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
We are all part of God's creation but we all are not God's children.
If you believe in Jesus can you see how the Christian faith is the only truth, the ONLY way to God?

Yes everything and everyone is the creator God’s creation however believing in “Jesus” is not knowing the creator God the Father nor knowing Yahoshua the Son.The Christian “faith” in not the truth or the way Yahoshua is.Yahoshua means Yahweh is deliverance/salvation.Many Christianity Christians believe in a man they call Jesus Christ yet they do not know Yahoshua because they “believe “ as you do that Christianity is what “saves” them and makes them “children” of God.

Yahoshua never said that.He only proclaimed by statement(preached) the Good News which is ALL of mankind “will” be delivered from Hades(the realm of death and imperception).”Mere” Christianity “Christians” like you believe faith in their religion saves them from the eternal punishment of hell and those that don’t believe their “religion” will be punished in eternal Hell. Christianity is the BAD news(except for the elitist self chosen Christians).

Yahoshua only proclaimed the Good news the “hell” you believe he preached is actually Hades “realm of imperception”….not “knowing” the truth and the way.When he made his point about that Hades it was always directed at the religious pharisees who did not and could not “perceive” the truth and way they “thought they knew” but was only religious belief.Yahoshua clearly adressed this when he told them…..

“You search[and study] the scriptures thinking that in them you have life YET you fail to come to me [Yahoshua] that the scriptures testify of that I would deliver you”.

That is a perfect description of Christianity.They “search and study the scriptures (make it into their bible) thinking that in them they have life(is a testimony to their beliefs) yet they FAIL to know Yahoshua!!The irony of it all.The scriptures testify clearly of exactly what the Christians would eventually do yet Christianity is completely blind to it and believe Yahoshua is talking about “other” lost people.

Yahoshua made many statements like this the most prominent being what he told the disciples “who knew” to beware of.

“Do not be deceived. MANY will come in my name saying they are christ[Christians] and will deceive many.”

John wrote of them also and called them antichrists which means in place of the anointing.The fact is the tables have been turned the whole time.The purpose of the scriptures is to “testify” of Yahoshua….the deliverance of the creator God for ALL of mankind yet Christianity does not know this fact at all.They only believe their religious doctrines of men that make void the living word of the creator God.

The fact is ALL of mankind “will” become “sons and daughters of the creator God however none have yet.First a person has to be delivered from Hades which means they have to die and be dead and in the realm of death.Then they have to be delivered from their religion(the realm of imperception).The disciples “were” being delivered from their religion because it is a process.That’s why Yahoshua told the disciples (and them only) they knew the truth and the way and the Father and it was given ONLY to them to “know” the mysteries of the”kingdom” of their heavens”(mind) because “knowing” the truth is what makes someone freed from bondage (of their false Belief System religion).

The disciples ALONE were the chosen few.They were on the wide “way”(their religion) which leads to the wide gate of destruction where their religion was destroyed.They then were on the narrow way that leads to the straight gate of deliverance (salvation) from their Belief System religion.Everyone is on the wide path of “their Belief System religion”.It will be destroyed(delivered) at the wide gate which for everyone except the disciples is the lake of fire(Yahoshua called it the eternal fire) after they are resurrected (the 2nd resurrection which is not to life.)

The creator God is not an elitist.They will deliver ALL of mankind from the dreaded Hades realm of death AND from their imperception of Belief System religion(which the believer believes is knowing the truth !!).The fact is just as Yahoshua said to Thomas.If you have known me (Yahoshua) you would (will ) know the Father(life/spirit).Thank God that is the Good News truth not some false religion or belief.

Romans 2
11 For God does not show favoritism.

Sorry, but god choosing a select few to be his "chosen people" and then leaving everyone out of his club is the definition of favoritism.

If your god truly didn't show favoritism, he would see everyone has his child, not just a select few.

Hi,

You know man has been on this planet for a very long time. It is unfortunate that there is not a library available for all us to research all of our doubts and questions. What we do have is bits and pieces of different times on this planet and some of these tidbits are well known forgeries.


What about the Akashic Records? How about the bit about Moishe (Moses) turning in 2 tablets instead of 3 and a written scroll? What about the part where the story begins: "In the beginning was Adam(u) and Lilith, created from the same dirt..." (read: equal) Here is the revision: "In the beginning was Adam and Eve. Eve must obey Adam because She was created from his rib...." What a crock.

"well known forgeries" ? To which do You refer?

In Your world, is Jesus that blue eyed, honey brown hair fella? In the black community Jesus is black. Who is sitting next to Jesus at the Last Supper? (starboard)

Just another self professed Chris†ian™ typing that "Yours is best" Let me ask You this, this like all My questions are rhetorical in nature as I recognize "Free Will", If Jesus The Christ and not the low bidding carpenter from B'Hem, were a member of ATS™ how do You think He'd feel about what You typed? Or how do You think He feels when He sees/hears someone yell at a 5 year old "JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS!!!!"

But personally I'd opine that Jesus would try like Hades to get His bff, Judas off of that 'bum rap' religion™ put on Him to sell some books/salvation. Heck, You can't rent a room by the hour w/out finding a "Rule Book" provided by TheGideon's™ and one of their 879 offices world-wide to better service the flock...

Isn't Hunab Ku FREE? Didn't Jesus say "You are The Church™" (sans the trademark, because it wasn't for a few centuries until the 'money lenders' branched out into other rackets, besides religion™)

A Heaven without The Great Buddha? Gandhi NOT in but You are? hahahahaha Better BUY some more "Indulgences"...

Hunab Ku resides in The Octave and SHE is FREE!!

a reply to: wasaka

Here is question for you: Was Melchizedek a son of God? According to the Letter to the Hebrews, Jesus Christ is identified as a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek, and so Jesus assumes the role of High Priest once and for all. Again, was this Priest of El what you would call a "son of God" by your theology?

Yes. Melchizedek was actually Shem. Hebrews 5:5-12 relates that Jesus was after this order. Shem had no sacrifice of any animal or life forms whatsoever and did not require any type of sacrifice. The doctrine of Jesus requires no sacrifice of any life form after this order. Shem created the first religious school in Hebrew history and passed this down to Abram as he also passed the priesthood to Abram (Gen. 14:9)--

Shem was a son of God but was not the begotten son of God. There are many sons of God but only one begotten of the Creator which is Jesus.

Religions are social/political Tools, usually spreading like fire in younger societies, out of fear and need for cohesion. God is no bigot to 'choose' from the souls he himself splashed away in reality. Do you think an ant can do some computing? Do you pretend analysing God/Source or whatever you call him by studying hundred/thousand years old texts, like it's god's science, written and rewritten by men just like you and me? Really? I humbly suggest you search god in your heart and in your brothers and sisters, being inclusive not exclusive.

Every soul on earth is part of me, not the other way around.

Peace

Jeff

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Exactly, you cannot prove they were or weren't hence the suspicion for their motives and the fallibility of men in rewriting things to suit.

Why sure I can prove this. Before I say anything more have you ever read the ENTIRE bible? Not just a few paragraphs.

I have read the bible from front to cover 7 times. I have read all the books numerous times on separate occasions. I went to private christian school growing up and went to school of ministry. My grandfather was a pastor and I was raised in church my whole life. For the first 28 years of my life God and Christianity was my life.

Reading the bible was exactly what proved to me that the bible was a bunch of rubbish.

a reply to: Rex282

You post:


I would like to first remind you of my thread - I was talking about the times when the Israelites were released from Egyptian slavery during the time of Moses. I was talking clearly about the Torah time frame.

I am not in need of history lesson. I know your Jewish.

Israel is the archetype of ALL of mankind.ALL of mankind are the promise of the many “called people” made to Abraham that his descendants would be as many as there are stars which is WAY beyond any genetic Israelites or especially Jews.

Really ........ you need me to clarify this for you? Put your Jewish studies to one side.

I learned many years ago that I cannot bring the lost to Christ through debates or well-crafted arguments. The preaching of the Gospel of the kingdom must be carried out by the power of the Spirit with the gifts of the Spirit in manifestation.

The Gospel of the kingdom was always intended to be demonstrated, not just talked about. Signs, wonders, miracles and the spiritual gifts are needed in order to bring the full Gospel message to the lost. The word of knowledge was brought forth by the Holy Spirit.

No disrespect intended - To generalize the teachings in the bible as some have done on this thread are equal to those who are called false teachers .....you speak of doctrines of men.

Clearly I can see that many have side tracked the thread attempting to derail it. Of course I was expecting this especially from the non believer.

Instead of debating what was said in the OP ........out come the wannabe historians and new age cultist with their opinions.

It is clear the statements I made are directed at those who disbelieve also known as the "lost" as stated in the OP.

As I have stated in an earlier post: I learned many years ago that I cannot bring the lost to Christ through debates or well-crafted arguments. The preaching of the Gospel of the kingdom must be carried out by the power of the Spirit with the gifts of the Spirit in manifestation.

So in my defense, out of love, I do NOT force feed anyone, I do hope however that those who no longer have faith and have decided to reject the teachings of the Gospel; have a supernatural revelation about God and his kingdom.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

I consider you and your belief in books written by men, then rewritten, translated and rewritten again, bits taken out, bits added, rewritten again as ''lost'', as it is not true spirituality, it is not a true connection to the real infinite and absolute energies of the Universe, it is subservience to men.

The ''faith'' I have is much truer and greater than anything reading a bible full of hypocrisy, hate, violence and contradictions could ever give.