White House REFUSES To Call 21 Beheading Victims CHRISTIANS In Statement Against ISIS Attack

originally posted by: AnuTyr

So knowing all this, I don't exactly understand the point of this thread, Just my oppinion tho.

Ditto that.

Would it have been OK if they were Muslims? Or Atheists? Buddhists? Just fine then?

Or is it the fact that they were Christians that somehow qualify them as more human and less deserving of murder?

"Egyptian Citizens" is in keeping with the sentiments of the Egyptian people...who are 90% Muslims and nearly 100% behind their government in bombing those that murdered their fellow "Egyptian Citizens"...they obviously don't see the victims as "Christians" vs. "Muslims", but rather fellow citizens.

Strange when factions in the USA appear more religiously radical and reactive than parts of the middle east.

a reply to: Gryphon66

actually, you both are abusive, but you at least were gracious when i admitted i made a mistake in my judgement on a topic. lucidity wasn't satisfied with my capitulation, however, and had to rub it in, and in fact, wanted further capitulation. once is all you get per mistake. that ain't enough? more than i'm seeing from either of you.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I am saddened by the lack of basic human empathy

do you even hear yourself?

Get your heads out of the sand.

If we are gonna drop the grouping of victims by simply labeling them as humans then we also need to quit calling the terrorist the islamic state.

The wh even makes efforts to not call them isis but to respect the terrorist demands of calling them is instead.

Do you see how continuing to label one group a religous group then hide the identity of those being killed will serve the terrorist.

Also note that the wh is labeling the latest victims as kurds instead on humans.

The latest 30 christians killed were labeled as unknown. just pathetic. grow a set

It is a mental war being played out and many fuel that war through ignorrance or sympthy.


Biggest question i have is why do we even have names anymore. Afterall we are all just humans that need to be viewed equal and the same. Let's just all call ourselves number 1 and go back to sleep.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Gryphon66



actually, you both are abusive, but you at least were gracious when i admitted i made a mistake in my judgement on a topic. lucidity wasn't satisfied with my capitulation, however, and had to rub it in, and in fact, wanted further capitulation. once is all you get per mistake. that ain't enough? more than i'm seeing from either of you.

What is this mistake?

What page?

I suppose that tomorrow the wh wil come out and say they are gonna start disolving unions because they only group people and actually work against humanity as a whole by looking out for a certain GROUP of people.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: AnuTyr



So knowing all this, I don't exactly understand the point of this thread, Just my oppinion tho.

Ditto that.



Would it have been OK if they were Muslims? Or Atheists? Buddhists? Just fine then?



Or is it the fact that they were Christians that somehow qualify them as more human and less deserving of murder?



"Egyptian Citizens" is in keeping with the sentiments of the Egyptian people...who are 90% Muslims and nearly 100% behind their government in bombing those that murdered their fellow "Egyptian Citizens"...they obviously don't see the victims as "Christians" vs. "Muslims", but rather fellow citizens.



Strange when factions in the USA appear more religiously radical and reactive than parts of the middle east.

If any of the other groups you mention ar targeted specifically for being part of that group then in the main talking points that needs to be said simply because it is truth and truth is very powerful stuff.

a reply to: deadeyedick

None of the previous individuals that were victims of ISIS/ISIL/IS were labelled by their religion.

The White House regularly refers to ISIS/ISIL/IS as appropriate. Evidence provided in this very discussion previously.

Calling ISIL_IS_IS by the name they call themselves is not labelling them a religious group.

The identities of not a single victim have been hidden. What a silly statement. The ISIS video identified them as Christians, the Egyptians identified them as Christian, and President Obama has identified them as Christian.

You've missed the point being made here almost completely. Referring to victims as people or as humans notes that it doesn't matter most where they came from, what religion they were, what color their hair, or eyes, or skin was, what hand they preferred or what astrological sign they were born under ... WHAT MATTERS IS THAT THESE VICTIMS ARE HUMAN BEINGS and these are CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.

I do agree with you on one statement though DED ... there is a mental war being waged out of ignorance here. Utter, gut-wrenching ignorance that sickens the soul knowing that there are other people who are so blind.

a reply to: deadeyedick

i forget what gryphon66 and i were discussing. i think it was when he linked the various violent outbreaks between christians and muslims, particularly in CAR, where christians are behaving badly in response to muslims behaving badly. i admitted that i was not aware of that and that i didn't want my name on it, and that i had learned something i wasn't expecting. he was nice about it and the conversation moved on.

then today, i linked obama saying the future should not belong to those who slander the name of the prophet muhammad. i wasn't aware that it was just part of a speech, where he was calling for people to be kind and considerate to one another's beliefs (and he included christians). i said that was very nice! and i hadn't seen that part of the speech, only the muhammad clip. that's when lucidity said something like "of course you didn't." and then pretended like i hadn't relented my position, when in fact, i had complimented mr. obama on his speech once i saw the parts i didnt know existed.

whatever. i'm tired.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: AnuTyr



So knowing all this, I don't exactly understand the point of this thread, Just my oppinion tho.

Ditto that.



Would it have been OK if they were Muslims? Or Atheists? Buddhists? Just fine then?



Or is it the fact that they were Christians that somehow qualify them as more human and less deserving of murder?



"Egyptian Citizens" is in keeping with the sentiments of the Egyptian people...who are 90% Muslims and nearly 100% behind their government in bombing those that murdered their fellow "Egyptian Citizens"...they obviously don't see the victims as "Christians" vs. "Muslims", but rather fellow citizens.



Strange when factions in the USA appear more religiously radical and reactive than parts of the middle east.

If any of the other groups you mention ar targeted specifically for being part of that group then in the main talking points that needs to be said simply because it is truth and truth is very powerful stuff.

EVERY group that does not subscribe to ISIS's version of Islam is targeted..

The Jordanian pilot they lit on fire was a devout MUSLIM..

Eff...They executed six IMAMS for calling the killing of the Jordanian Pilot un-Islamic!!!

EVERYONE that does not bow to them is a target...

Nothing personal...but WTF are you talking about???

This is not Islam vs. Christianity...It is ISIS vs. Everyone Else.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: AnuTyr



So knowing all this, I don't exactly understand the point of this thread, Just my oppinion tho.

Ditto that.



Would it have been OK if they were Muslims? Or Atheists? Buddhists? Just fine then?



Or is it the fact that they were Christians that somehow qualify them as more human and less deserving of murder?



"Egyptian Citizens" is in keeping with the sentiments of the Egyptian people...who are 90% Muslims and nearly 100% behind their government in bombing those that murdered their fellow "Egyptian Citizens"...they obviously don't see the victims as "Christians" vs. "Muslims", but rather fellow citizens.



Strange when factions in the USA appear more religiously radical and reactive than parts of the middle east.

the main talking points that needs to be said simply because it is truth and truth is very powerful stuff.

The truth is that differentiating between Christians and Muslims when discussing victims plays into a sick team mentality. It is not insignificant that Egyptian citizens being 90% Muslim care not that those executed were "Christians"...only that they were "Egyptians"

That is the truth...

a reply to: Indigo5

they killed imams? holy toledo. are we sure those guys (isis i mean) are muslims?

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Indigo5

they killed imams? holy toledo. are we sure those guys (isis i mean) are muslims?

ISIS executes clerics, civilians for condemning pilot’s burning
rudaw.net...

ISIS Executes Imams for Condemning Burning of Jordanian Pilot
www.breitbart.com...

ISIS Executes Two Imams By Firing Squad, Beheads 4 Civilians For Condemning Burning of Jordanian Pilot…
weaselzippers.us...

Seriously folks...

a reply to: Gryphon66

Your alarm clock is still going off

You ignore the fact that a religous group has created a religous state and seeks to destroy other religous groups along with any others that stand in the way of their goal.

If a person says islamic state just killed another 30 people and does not specify who the victims were and why they were targeted them that person is unknowingly working for the islamic state.

Until theu quit calling them islamic state they need to continue to call the victims per the victims identity.

a reply to: Indigo5

a reply to: Indigo5

This is not Islam vs. Christianity...It is ISIS vs. Everyone Else

False
It is islam vs christianity and if any get in the way of their goal of growing big enough to destroy the christians then they will be killed also.

This is not my opinion but is what the group was founded on.

Do not kid yourself they are targeting christians and any that stand with the christians against them are infedels

islam is in there name and they seek to remove christians from earth.

a reply to: deadeyedick

People have tried to stop calling them the "Islamic State" in deference to the fact that they are just psychopaths who kill Muslims, Christians, Atheists et al...But the right wing goes beserk when anyone tries to downplay their religious affiliation...it contradicts the religious war meme...

Hell..Even the OTHER Islamic Extremists don't consider ISIS Muslim!

A Twitter account connected to Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the group responsible for the massacre at Charlie Hebdo in Paris, said the murder of the pilot is “conclusive proof of Isis’ deviance.” Ahmed al-Tayib, Grand Sheikf of Al-Azhar University in Cairo, announced the militants “must face ‘killing, crucifixion and chopping of the limbs’” and called the group “satanic.”

www.breitbart.com...

Who cares? Wouldn't it be simpler to call terrorists terrorists? And human beings human beings? Without draping the flag of religion over the victims and perpetrators?...Since differentiating by religious beliefs is at the center of their BS justification to begin with?

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: undo

a reply to: Indigo5



they killed imams? holy toledo. are we sure those guys (isis i mean) are muslims?

ISIS executes clerics, civilians for condemning pilot’s burning

rudaw.net...



ISIS Executes Imams for Condemning Burning of Jordanian Pilot

www.breitbart.com...



ISIS Executes Two Imams By Firing Squad, Beheads 4 Civilians For Condemning Burning of Jordanian Pilot…

weaselzippers.us...



Seriously folks...

The reason they burned the pilot is because they did not know he was jordanian and thought he was a christian.

They killed the imams because the see them as enmies of the religion because they stand against their goal of destroying usa.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Indigo5

This is not Islam vs. Christianity...It is ISIS vs. Everyone Else

False
It is islam vs christianity and if any get in the way of their goal of growing big enough to destroy the christians then they will be killed also.

You are one of those posters that confuse your own words for truth. Just cuz you say it without links or proving your argument does not make it so. You just said a bunch of things...

a reply to: Indigo5

I care and it only serves to fuel the is by hiding truth.

Again if the wh and press would quit calling them islamic state then it would be equal to quit labeling victims as christians.

Why did you just post links of religous imams being killed if you do not think religion should be a factor. because it fuels your point an that is exactly why the wh and press need to be real by labeling people as who they are or were. it matters much

I guess if all else fails you can blame the republicans for the fact that your and others ignorrance is supporting the islamic state

a reply to: Indigo5

Are you dening that the islamic state is targeting christians and other groups that stand in their way of growth in there goal to complete their calls for death to america?