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originally posted by: StoutBroux
The cluing phrase being "MODERN high carbohydrate diet". Carbs have been present and tolerated well since forever. It's just in the last years since prepackaged and GMO foods came into being that people as a whole started becoming obese and disease such as heart, cancer etc started to rise greatly.
originally posted by: anonentity
originally posted by: StoutBroux
The cluing phrase being "MODERN high carbohydrate diet". Carbs have been present and tolerated well since forever. It's just in the last years since prepackaged and GMO foods came into being that people as a whole started becoming obese and disease such as heart, cancer etc started to rise greatly.
Dairy has quietly increased up to fifty % of the diet, this type of fat , clogs the circulatory system, it doesn't take much clogging of the small arterioles, to make the heart work a lot harder and push blood pressure way up. It also coats the pancreas, and stops the efficient delivery of insulin. Then the blood sugar goes up, For every rise in blood sugar your immune system gets compromised.Compared to a bit of bacon, a glass of milk, has five hundred times more triglycerides. So if the machine is clogged up with fat in the first place, all results can be spurious. Chemically cows milk is liquid meat, what doctor in their right mind would advise someone to eat a kilo of fatty meat a day?
originally posted by: IntastellaBurst
a reply to: One_Love_One_GOD
Allow me to rephrase,
F*** refined carbs !!
The Eskimos whilst despite being natives tucked away from the trappings of modern society due to the high prevalence of animal fat in fact exclusive consumption of animal derived foods they actually had what was until recently thought to be a modern health problem, diabetes! They are also riddled with cancer. Yep, despite no McDonald's being in sight diabetes and cancer is a serious problem for the Eskimos as well as many other native communities where they don't have access to plant based nutrition.
Now ketosis, what happens the body in ketosis is it basically shuts down, your immune system is compromised, your intellectual capacity becomes massively reduced hence why people report severe brain fog whilst in ketosis, mental problems ensue once the body runs out of glucose low mood becomes a problem, poor judgment
originally posted by: PeterMcFly
Thank you all for your comments.
I see that many believe that high carb diet is well tolerated and good but think that it is modern trend like OGM and processing that is bad. Others have the opinion that dairy products are bad.
I want to attract your attention to the Inuit and the Maasai people. The Inuit (of the past) had a diet practically devoid completly of carbonhydrate and were doing very well. I have read many story that in the past, many medical expedition were mounted to try to elucidate why the Inuit were practically devoid of cancer and many more disease. Prostate cancer was inexistent and not that there were only young men present.
For the Maasai, they were doing very well while eating practically no carb and having a diet rich in dairy product.
No comment on the notes I provided before about the biochemistry or the carbs and ketone bodies?
Also, anyone have read those two books: 'STEFANSSON, V. - The fat of the Land' and 'VOEGTLIN, W. L. - The Stone Age Diet'?
originally posted by: PeterMcFly
About the Warburg hypothesis, it say that cancer cell are cell having their mitochondria damaged. As mitochondria is an essential organel for the mechanism of programmed suicide, cancerous cell having a damaged mitochondria are immortal.
Also, if a cell have it's mitochondria damaged, it cannot use metabolic mode dependant on proper functionning of the mitochondria. Cancerous cell are under obligation to use metabolic mode based on anaerobic fermentation, i.e. use blood glucose in a low efficiency energy production way. But it crank up this mechanism in overdrive...
Basically, the Warburg hypothesis tell us that cancerous cell need glucose in blood to survive and multiplicate. If the glucose level in blood is low, they won't have a favorable environment to thrive.
But other non cancerous cell of the body that have normal functionning mitochondria are able to switch to others metabolic mode when glucose is sparse, like using fatty acid or ketones bodies.
Conclusion: low level of glucose mean no party time for cancerous cell, but business as usual for normal healthy cell!
originally posted by: hypervalentiodine
reply to post by Rustami
[snip]...his cancer hypothesis (called the Warburg effect) is not actually accepted as being an underlying cause for all cancers. It certainly accepted that the switch to non-oxidative energy production in cancer cells occurs in a lot of cases, but it is not the cause for the cancer itself. What is known is that cancer arises from mutations in what are called oncogenes, although a fundamental cause for all cancer is yet unknown, if it even exists.
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Back to the Warburg effect, which these claims seem to rely upon. It is possible that the switch from mitochondrial respiration to cytosolic (inside the cell, outside the nucleus and other organelles) glycolysis in response to low oxygen environs, I do not think it is likely. Tumours have an amazing propensity to sustain the formation of blood vessels surrounding them - in fact, it's essential - giving them a pretty good supply of nutrients and that other important thing that blood has in it (it's called oxygen). More probable is that cancer cells shut down production in the mitochondria, which forces the cell to produce energy anaerobically. The reason they might do this is because mitochondria play a key role in cell induced death (apoptosis) - shut the mitochondria down, you stop the cell from killing itself in response to damage or other metabolic shifts. When I was doing my undergraduate I had to present a poster on a tumour suppressor protein, p53, which has the responsibility of inducing formation of one of the proteins that plays a key role in mitochondrial energy production chain (the protein is called COX4). What they found is that cells that had a mutation in the gene switched to "Warburg metabolism" and almost always resulted in cancer formation. What I am trying to say is that somehow feeding yourself more oxygen isn't going to help.