Hooded Gunmen Fire On Police In Marseille

Hooded gunmen have fired on police in the French city of Marseille where the Prime Minister Manuel Valls had been due to visit.

Officers were responding to reports that up to 10 people had been shooting Kalashnikov assault rifles in the air.

On arrival at the notorious La Castellane housing estate on Monday morning, police came under fire in their car.

Some 7,000 residents in the area were put lockdown and ordered not to go outside.

Hooded Gunmen Fire On Police In Marseille

Yet another shooting in France. They are saying this one could be gang related but who knows.

originally posted by: sg1642

Hooded gunmen have fired on police in the French city of Marseille where the Prime Minister Manuel Valls had been due to visit.

Officers were responding to reports that up to 10 people had been shooting Kalashnikov assault rifles in the air.

On arrival at the notorious La Castellane housing estate on Monday morning, police came under fire in their car.

Some 7,000 residents in the area were put lockdown and ordered not to go outside.

Hooded Gunmen Fire On Police In Marseille

Yet another shooting in France. They are saying this one could be gang related but who knows.

I wouldn't think gangs would be using kalashnikov's. Sounds like more of the radical muslim groups making waves again.

a reply to: sg1642

They are saying this one could be gang related but who knows

The fact it happened in Marseille tells me they're probably right , Marseille has the unenviable reputation as France's murder capital.


In regard to the use of AK 47's see the video above at the 7.50 mark,

Sounds like alot of fire power for a simple street gang.Hope that they're caught before they hurt anyone.

Don't know I'm sure details will come out later today. That kind of firepower is available to the more well connected organised crime groups so it's too early to say

a reply to: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
I wouldn't think gangs would be using kalashnikov's. Sounds like more of the radical muslim groups making waves again.

That's the thing.

While there are strict gun-laws in european countries, there is still a #load of guns of all kinds around.

Anyone determined enough to get their hands on firearms is absolutely capable to do so.

originally posted by: TDawg61
Sounds like alot of fire power for a simple street gang.Hope that they're caught before they hurt anyone.

Not really sadly, AK-47 is very common and 'easy' gun to buy in Europe.
Amsterdam for example has a market for them in the underworld, cost is between about 1100 - 1300 euros. A local news station managed to purchase one, took 2 weeks.

Google translation:

In the underworld, the Kalashnikov has become hugely popular in recent years. Edition NL wondered how difficult it is to buy a Kalashnikov and took the acid test. The quest surpassed the wildest expectations.

Not only was it relatively easy to buy this heavy assault weapon, it was also arranged in no time. Within two weeks, the editors of the NL Edition weapon actually owned.

SEE ALSO: Amsterdam Police find 33 Kalashnikovs in three months

The authorities still show little interest in detecting these heavy weapons. Edition EN spoke several experts who believe that much more needs to be done to detect such heavy weapons. Gerrit van de Kamp, chairman of the police union ACP announces: "Police and Public Prosecution now look away when it comes to pinpointing it here must change very quickly get these heavy weapons are dangerous for the police and citizens..."

The National Police announced that no separate teams are investigating arms trafficking or possession of weapons. "Detection is done ad hoc, if there is sufficient information. It is not a priority in the appointed national security agenda for the police," said a spokesman.

Concerns
The Amsterdam Mayor Eberhard van Laan spoke earlier also his concern about the ease with which you can get to automatic firearms. According to him, that the disappearance of border controls within Europe.

Favorite weapon
, the Kalashnikov is the favorite weapon of many criminals. It is an automatic rifle that can fire hundreds of rounds per minute. The weapon is often used in assassinations, sometimes even in broad daylight. Here are regularly innocent bystanders inadvertently witness and sometimes the victim.

So were in a shooting at the Red Sun last October 2014 two visitors severely wounded in a wild shootout, with a Kalashnikov was used. This incident is not isolated. For example, in previous liquidations bullets in this gun found in a nursery and a nursery.

The weapon is destroyed immediately after purchase.

www.rtlnieuws.nl...

originally posted by: ColCurious
a reply to: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
I wouldn't think gangs would be using kalashnikov's. Sounds like more of the radical muslim groups making waves again.

That's the thing.

While there are strict gun-laws in european countries, there is still a #load of guns of all kinds around.

Anyone determined enough to get their hands on firearms is absolutely capable to do so.

I would be very interested to see what the attitude toward personal defense and legal gun ownership is in the EU of late.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Man, I usually agree with a lot of what you say but...not thinking gangs would use an AK?

They're all over the place, they're relatively cheap, the ammo isn't hard to get your hands on, and pretty much any idiot can pick one up and operate it at least semi effectively.

It's about as close to a gang bangers dream gun as it gets.

originally posted by: ColCurious


While there are strict gun-laws in european countries, there is still a #load of guns of all kinds around.

Not in all. some country's like Czechoslovakia have more lax gun laws than some US states. A lot of Scandinavian country have pretty liberal gun laws too.

Which means its not much effort to move guns from one of those country's to a more strict country.

UK only gets away with it as we dont have a land border so have tighter customs. If we didn't Im sure gangs would get there hands on more firearms.

a reply to: greencmp

originally posted by: greencmp
I would be very interested to see what the attitude toward personal defense and legal gun ownership is in the EU of late.

I can't help you there. I'm from a military family is all I can say.
My personal view is not exactly conform with the general attitude.

a reply to: crazyewok

True. Good objection.

They will make hoodies illegal I suppose. If they did it here in the UP most people would be in jail after a snowstorm. Those evil Parkas are nice and warm when it is blowing and snowing. Now if they banned winter, I would get rid of my hood on my jacket.

originally posted by: ColCurious.
My personal view is not exactly conform with the general attitude.

Same.

I would not mind a relaxation of UK gun laws. Not the free for all guns for everyone way of the USA. But a more sensible approach. I see no reason a person of sound mind with no criminal record should not be free to own a hand gun as long as it is stored correctly..

But for the general public its just not really that much of a important issue as even before the 1997 gun ban and gun culture was just not really a big thing. People are more concerned with other things here and I don't blame them.

a reply to: AgentSmith

Yep. The majority of these weapons come from Eastern European countries. Like someone has said above, the fact all the countries in mainland Europe share physical borders makes the smuggling of weapons a lot easier than it is in the UK. They are rugged weapons that can be stored or hidden in some quite foul conditions without it effecting them too badly.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: ColCurious.
My personal view is not exactly conform with the general attitude.

I would not mind a relaxation of UK gun laws. Not the free for all guns for everyone way of the USA. But a more sensible approach. I see no reason a person of sound mind with no criminal record should not be free to own a hand gun as long as it is stored correctly.

And by 'stored correctly' I assume you mean, on your person at all times.

Not trying to quip, just clarifying that a gun in your closet does not protect you.

For the record, I believe that the actual possession of a firearm is not needed to produce the lion's share of the societal gains such as we have here in the US as long as the perceived concealed carry possession rate is high enough.

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: ColCurious.
My personal view is not exactly conform with the general attitude.

I would not mind a relaxation of UK gun laws. Not the free for all guns for everyone way of the USA. But a more sensible approach. I see no reason a person of sound mind with no criminal record should not be free to own a hand gun as long as it is stored correctly.

And by 'stored correctly' I assume you mean, on your person at all times.

Not trying to quip, just clarifying that a gun in your closet does not protect you.

For the record, I believe that the actual possession of a firearm is not needed to produce the lion's share of the societal gains such as we have here in the US as long as the ubiquity of perceived possession is high enough.

Lets not go into the USA verse UK thing.

Or see either country trying to impose its ways

Lets not go down that route

a reply to: sg1642

Yes, I think sometimes people don't realise or forget a large part of Europe is what used to be called the USSR.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: ColCurious.
My personal view is not exactly conform with the general attitude.

I would not mind a relaxation of UK gun laws. Not the free for all guns for everyone way of the USA. But a more sensible approach. I see no reason a person of sound mind with no criminal record should not be free to own a hand gun as long as it is stored correctly.

And by 'stored correctly' I assume you mean, on your person at all times.

Not trying to quip, just clarifying that a gun in your closet does not protect you.

For the record, I believe that the actual possession of a firearm is not needed to produce the lion's share of the societal gains such as we have here in the US as long as the ubiquity of perceived possession is high enough.

Lets not go into the USA verse UK thing.

Or see either country trying to impose its ways

Lets not go down that route

I hear you, it certainly isn't what I was getting at.

a reply to: gortex

i think a lot of these Marseille gang members are just taking advantage of the situation there.
but don't forget that a lot of the African immigrants that now live there have come from a culture that is used to violence
as a fact of life .

i wonder what would happen if the french government stopped making the drug trade illegal , would the violence stop if the drugs where freely available to buy ?

i don't know much about drugs , but i do know that cannibis has a calming effect on a person .

a reply to: sg1642

i think you are wrong about the origins of these weapons , they are smuggled in from Africa along with the drugs

France still man their boarder check points at least they do on the Holland and the Spanish boarders .

their reason for the dutch check point is they say because that is where all the drugs coming into France are coming from

strange really because most of the drugs in Holland actually come across from France , and this is common knowledge in Holland .