Living in the USA Vs UK

originally posted by: PaddyInf
a reply to: WatchRider

Im not asking this to be awkward, but as a genuine question.

Apart from weapons ownership exactly what can you do in the US that I can't do in the UK?

Genuine question.

(Mods I'm putting this in two sub-forms as I'm not sure where it'll fit in best)

Well that's probably one of the biggest questions you can ask! You also frame it in a very BLACK AND WHITE wrapping which is not possible to define easily. Although I will try my best.

For me, most of all it's more that the landmass has a sense of expansion, unfettered opportunity and ambition for those that can harness it. The psyche is like what the UK people had a few hundred years ago but taken in a powerful new direction. People have been left alone, untouched by conquering armies, hostile peoples for a long time. They something very strong in their hearts, souls and minds called...

FREEDOM!

I don't think people who have lived within the borders of the UK but just holidayed overseas will quite understand this concept. Nor will people who cannot think for themselves.



YES there is less freedom in certain respects in some places, but overall you don't have the nanny-state looming nearby to bear down on you.

So that is numero uno reason! Here's the rest!

I will be answering this with areas I thrive in. Not places with heavy restrictions like East Coast West Coast etc.

Here's a BLACK AND WHITE response to your question.

Civic Pride.

The US public is behind their military (UK doe not in comprison). I get discounts all over for being ex-military (even as a foreigner). In the UK this is only by a few companies and only recently (last two years or so). Even the lesser of soldiers who have served overseas are hailed as hero's!

You can get away from the hordes. USA is not an urban country.

You can speak your mind without offending some minority who can have you jailed if his feelings / feathers are ruffled.
1st Amendment rules. You might think you have this in the UK but you don't. In fact there's no such thing.

Superior outdoor lifestyle, you name it USA has it. Fortress-like mountains in excess of 10,000 feet. Deserts of desolation. Great Backwoods and rolling hills of the Appalacians. Tundra and high-desert that waits to be tamed. Fertile plains of the black-soil realms that reap agricultural bounty. Arctic realms that witness the Northern Lights wonder.

Want to camp remotely and for indefinate amounds of time? Yes you can! Try that in the UK? No you cannot! Pay your fee to the campsite and bugger off!

Cheaper cost of living (food surplus).

Recreational Vehicle friendly, Boondockers paradise!

No VAT! Yes there is sales tax but is rarely more than 10% and in some states is zero.
Also that money goes towards supporting the state and not some faceless government spending it on junk.

Afford long-distance travel via cheaper gas prices. Yes the trucks are bigger and use more juice, but compared to the price difference it's a sweet deal.

Prospecting for gold. No can do in the UK (not legally anyway). Yet in the USA the big boys may have moved out but there's plenty for the small prospecting folks.

Enjoy the company of women who aren't screwed in the head like UK women tend to be. American women tend to be of a better standard usually than the low-ways UK women have sunk! Yes I know they aren't a lost cause but they sure are nicer.

Can move to another area of the country to find work if the local area is lacking. Increased job opportunities unlike the UK where it's so small there's little diverse employment thanks to outsourcing. You also don't have money-sucking restrictions usually.

Build without planning permission.

Buy land that would cost 10 times the price in the UK.

Enjoy genuine small-town hospitality; does the UK even have that anymore?

Fly a plane without red-tape (small ones not the big ones).

Build and pilot a submarine (possible license due to the drug lords using them in Caribbean).

Live in areas without multiKulturialism; no can do in the UK.

Greater availability of equipment, food, resources at a fairer price than the overpriced UK.

Rapid internet speeds. UK is ok but still lagging behind, especially in other areas.

Subsistence hunting, in some cases without a license.

You can do something that would probably result in a media feeding frenzy in the UK, while in the USA the media will generally see it from your side. So a less rabid and vicious media overall, although it's still pretty liberal and biased for all that.

Splendid customer service that would knock the UK into next week. I am not joking the US folk, whether in bars, garages or shops are excellent service providers!

US people are intellectually violent when needs must.
The UK folk are not intellectually violent and haven't been for many many yearse. Thuggishly violent yes, football violence and pub violence. Intellectually violent? Hardly.

That's my little ramble, it is across the board a bit and some areas can vary.

a reply to: WatchRider

TLDR...sorry.

Starting a thread with a quote from an other thread is kind of confussing. If I may, I found your original post that spawned this quote more interesting:

a reply to: WatchRider
If I talk like an american it's probably because I've got a pair of nuts and you haven't looking at your lame, negative and defeatist posts.

Brits are like serfs on leash, they have to have their permission slip to do anything, defend what scraps they are thrown from the masters table.

If you use firearms in self-defence why is it the police revok shotgun certificates / firearm certificates in the UK?
You can't even own pepper-spray in the UK as they classify it as a section 5 prohibited firearm.

You own two firearms eh? Well I'm calling you out on that. I'm calling on you to show them with your username otherwise it's just talk. You come on my thread you get challenged and called out. So either put up or shut up.

So in short you are deluded. I've researched my case, forwarded the details and you can only attack.

Finally on your talk about police executing people? That's a strawman argument AGAIN.

Why are you being brainwashed and influenced by the media? Do you not want to 'deny ignorance'? I have and that's why I can see both sides.

Don't want to believe I'm a non-American? I suggest you check out my videos and listen to my 'all-american' accent! LOL
Then your ignorance will be exposed for what it is.

So we're waiting Ewok, go into your forest hut.

It's times like this the ATS should impose an ignore command.

Since we're cross-posting here...

Peace

a reply to: WatchRider

# YEA, # YEA, AND # YEA on most of your post. However, this part had me laughing a bit

Enjoy the company of women who aren't screwed in the head like UK women tend to be. American women tend to be of a better standard usually than the low-ways UK women have sunk! Yes I know they aren't a lost cause but they sure are nicer.

Dude I must apologize, if you think most American woman are not screwed in the head, you clearly have not met enough American women. On the plus side most of our American born woman are just as sex hungry as the men, although your going to have to be a real ass man to take advantage of many of those particular ones. None of that pussy ass dinner and a move date #. Its straight to the club for drinks till 3 am, and then off the the after hours to keep on drinking and dancing until the sun comes up.

Well at least thats how the chicks are in this party city. I have noticed smaller towns do have young ladies with more class than that. If your in the big city life though, it will be much easier to have a good time by just taking her dancing to the club. Better not be whack though or she will ditch you right there on the spot and just grab some other dude that knows what hes doing.

Also we do not have to pretend that our rich families are not the real policy makers of our nation, we pretty much know that #. Many citizens in the UK, and in European Monarch nations in general somehow still believe in this fairy tale that they are just novelty symbolic royalty. LMFAO, idiots. Since when are the richest families in a country, especially the same families who have ruled it for centuries, not in charge of the governments policies???

I am in the UK, I don't feel all that British per se and I have considered often moving stateside.

A lot of the things you said I agree to, for me, the countryside and landscape variation and better customer service and rural life is a major plus for the US.

The not so great side to the US:

The US has guns more than the UK. The US also has more gangs and ghettos than the UK.

The UK has a more caring system, we have the NHS which however much it needs fixing, is still good to have, and welfare systems as a safety net that the US doesn't.

The UK also has a certain ancient cultural heritage that interests me, we have ancient Roman villas, and places like Avebury and Stonehenge that are built on ley lines and have a certain energy.

Also, I truly feel that I am not all that like the average UK woman, I am educated and cultured, and very sane. I think the sort of women you might be referring to in the UK are also prevalent in the US, some worse.

Enjoy the company of women who aren't screwed in the head like UK women tend to be. American women tend to be of a better standard usually than the low-ways UK women have sunk! Yes I know they aren't a lost cause but they sure are nicer.

a reply to: WatchRider

Interesting.

While you are absolutely right about many things you have said, you have glossed over a few things.

I would point out that in the UK you get better assistance with living, in the event of your becoming unemployed, or being unable to find work as a result of the stupidity of markets and government both. In our country, it is not assumed that one has CHOSEN not to work, unlike in the corporatocracy of the US, which abuses its jobless and assumes the worst of them.

Also, we have a health service which can be accessed by anyone, with no upfront bills what so ever, aside from medications by prescription. Surgery however will not cost you a single brass penny, unless you decide to go fully private. People here do not die because they cannot afford an appendectomy, or for that matter, to ride in the ambulance.

We have homeless here, but not entire tent cities of people who lost their homes through no fault of their own. We have had incidents of police brutality, but lethal shootings of citizens by police are much rarer, as are deaths in police custody, caused by police action.

I have to concede, I do envy the Uk's healthcare system. And Canada, New Zealand, and most of the rest of the developed world for that matter. The price we pay for liberty though.

As far as the US having more ghettos and gangs. I think you need to look at the whole picture. The USA has at least ten times the number large metropolitan areas compared to the UK and that is due specifically to our large land mass. the plus is that our law abiding citizens are equipped to handle that problem if it ever rears its ugly head and ready to defend with deadly force anyone thug who wants to infringe on our liberty. In much of Europe, you kind of have to just sit back and accept a face smashing from a group of young punks after which they will take turns making the female partner scream in agony.

The first shot fired here would send the rest of the group scattering like cockroaches. What ya going to do in the UK, blow a whistle and pray an unarmed cop heard it??

a reply to: DYepes

I do not know about my fellow Britons, but I had to learn, just to get through high school, how to obliterate people with my hands, you know, like a man, rather than resorting to firearms to attain my liberty. That said, I believe it is a disgrace that I cannot go about armed in my own damned country.

I will always prefer to draw steel, than to throw lead though.

The literal answer to the question in the OP is nothing, even gun ownership.

We have a cultural difference over here which affects peoples choices , some of the most obvious are :

1. An unarmed police force (well the bobby on the beat and traffic cops are unarmed). It's different at airports!

2. Vast majority of people are unarmed through choice, we can get a gun if we want one if we can supply a reason.....a DUH moment if you think about considering all the options available!

3. We can walk. This is always a jaw dropper for me.

4. The NHS. When not being screwed around by governments such as the present one who are ideologically opposed to a public health care system, it works fine. The problem occurs with the perception by people who have not used it !!!!!! An astonishing fact born out by the surveys. It has problems, of course it does, but given that every single citizen of the UK does not have to fear about bills when getting sick or the need of an operation it is remarkable. This is why the UK public wants the NHS preserved.

5. Our middle of the road politicians would be considered lefties by the US. Your political spectrum is way over to the right. Right now we are heading for an election with 4 or 5 choices depending on where you live and the 2 biggest parties are worried......tough.

The above are the ones that come to my mind as being the most obvious.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I commend you for that. For the most part through high school we still do that here as well. Just good luck using your bare hands like a real man against 3-5 thugs with weapons ready to make you into a victim. Those stories hardly ever, if ever turn in the favor of the single bare handed man, unless there is a gun in that hand.

originally posted by: DYepes
a reply to: WatchRider

# YEA, # YEA, AND # YEA on most of your post. However, this part had me laughing a bit

Enjoy the company of women who aren't screwed in the head like UK women tend to be. American women tend to be of a better standard usually than the low-ways UK women have sunk! Yes I know they aren't a lost cause but they sure are nicer.

Dude I must apologize, if you think most American woman are not screwed in the head, you clearly have not met enough American women. On the plus side most of our American born woman are just as sex hungry as the men, although your going to have to be a real ass man to take advantage of many of those particular ones. None of that pussy ass dinner and a move date #. Its straight to the club for drinks till 3 am, and then off the the after hours to keep on drinking and dancing until the sun comes up.

Well at least thats how the chicks are in this party city. I have noticed smaller towns do have young ladies with more class than that. If your in the big city life though, it will be much easier to have a good time by just taking her dancing to the club. Better not be whack though or she will ditch you right there on the spot and just grab some other dude that knows what hes doing.

Also we do not have to pretend that our rich families are not the real policy makers of our nation, we pretty much know that #. Many citizens in the UK, and in European Monarch nations in general somehow still believe in this fairy tale that they are just novelty symbolic royalty. LMFAO, idiots. Since when are the richest families in a country, especially the same families who have ruled it for centuries, not in charge of the governments policies???

I hear you mate. The women I go for are normally the decent, level-in-the-head.
In the UK we've had this ladette sub-culture where the women try and act just like the men, shedding their femininity. Not that there was much left after 2nd and 3rd wave femininism had had its way with them.

a reply to: DYepes

"LMFAO, idiots. Since when are the richest families in a country, especially the same families who have ruled it for centuries, not in charge of the governments policies???"



Since they became a Constitutional Monarch...


I don't think you know what an idiot is!


Hint; it's the people around the World who say things like the above vitriolic quote without the slightest clue to how our Government works.

a reply to: DYepes

The way I look at it, when a person brings a weapon to a fight with me, they are bringing ME a weapon, because I WILL take it from them, I WILL use it on them, and I WILL then use it on the next bastard that has a go. Against that level of determination, even a group coming at you mob handed will hesitate, and at that point their defeat is inevitable.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: WatchRider

Interesting.

While you are absolutely right about many things you have said, you have glossed over a few things.

I would point out that in the UK you get better assistance with living, in the event of your becoming unemployed, or being unable to find work as a result of the stupidity of markets and government both. In our country, it is not assumed that one has CHOSEN not to work, unlike in the corporatocracy of the US, which abuses its jobless and assumes the worst of them.

Also, we have a health service which can be accessed by anyone, with no upfront bills what so ever, aside from medications by prescription. Surgery however will not cost you a single brass penny, unless you decide to go fully private. People here do not die because they cannot afford an appendectomy, or for that matter, to ride in the ambulance.

We have homeless here, but not entire tent cities of people who lost their homes through no fault of their own. We have had incidents of police brutality, but lethal shootings of citizens by police are much rarer, as are deaths in police custody, caused by police action.

Socialised economics are glossing over the realities of choice-medicine.

Firstly I'd estimate 90% of the UK's population would be financially better off had they not had to pay via taxes for the medicine! Also you are missing out the fact that Dental treatments require up-front charges.
Yes if you are on dole you get them for free, but if you have a minimum wage job you'll be putting your hand in your pocket. As a final note on that point NHS dentists (at least in my area) have gone DOWNHILL in both quality and staff.
The private dentists provide a better service.

So the options. In the USA I pay full-price if I need it PAYG or insurance. As a foreigner I can pay $20 a month to be covered by Obamacare. In some states you don't have to pay anything but a retrospective yearly fee.

What is it with the whining about police action? Overall, if anything I've been treated worse by the police authorities in the UK than the US ever has personally.
I've been pulled over by the highway patrol no issues. Just a friendly warning about my error and on my way. A pistol in my glovebox, AR15 in the rear. No problems, no dramas. No being hauled out, no hands on the wheel (although mine were anyway) and being read my rights. You just repeat what you see on the media and the hype.
If you aren't in a crime-ridden hellhole you aren't going to get into police issues like that. Gangs and low-animal types are often causing trouble and nastiness in general.
Yes you get some bad apples in the police force, but so far I've not seen any I'd call draconian. If anything the police in the US are friendlier overall. They will eat in cafes and restaurants with the people they'll talk and chat about things.

Ok on the jobs. YES in the old days the UK was better for unemployment benefit. NOW it is just as bad. In the USA you go and find work, work does not come to you. Travel is ESSENTIAL to find work if you are in small-townville.

In the UK you have to jump through a LOT of hoops just to claim dole. You have to have interviews, more interviews, job attendence that you aren't paid for JUST to keep your dole money!

In the USA, when you've got that EBT card (dole credit card), you can just cruise around the country filling up on food and essentials no matter where you are! I wish I could do that in the UK and NI! LOL.

We had this one kid from Maryland show up, he was a scoundrel punk of a kid. Anyway he just pulls out his EBT card and get's his free food for the month at the nearest grocery store that accepted it!
I asked him if he had to take interviews or attend meetings. Nope, once you're on it you're on it and no questions asked!
This guy was an ex-felon I learned too but on the rise again somewhat. Last I heard he'd shacked up with some woman and still had his EBT card...

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: DYepes

The way I look at it, when a person brings a weapon to a fight with me, they are bringing ME a weapon, because I WILL take it from them, I WILL use it on them, and I WILL then use it on the next bastard that has a go. Against that level of determination, even a group coming at you mob handed will hesitate, and at that point their defeat is inevitable.

That's good, but in SITX / SHTF you'd better have backup mate. Even a lion can be taken-down by enough hyena's and wolves.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: DYepes

"LMFAO, idiots. Since when are the richest families in a country, especially the same families who have ruled it for centuries, not in charge of the governments policies???"



Since they became a Constitutional Monarch...


I don't think you know what an idiot is!


Hint; it's the people around the World who say things like the above vitriolic quote without the slightest clue to how our Government works.

Do you buy into the government line and story? If so I have some beachfront property in Greenland I'd like to show you

a reply to: WatchRider

Do you buy into those types of conspiracy theorists...

If so I have a tour coming up as well as a few books I'd like you to purchase.

originally posted by: DYepes
I have to concede, I do envy the Uk's healthcare system. And Canada, New Zealand, and most of the rest of the developed world for that matter. The price we pay for liberty though.

As far as the US having more ghettos and gangs. I think you need to look at the whole picture. The USA has at least ten times the number large metropolitan areas compared to the UK and that is due specifically to our large land mass. the plus is that our law abiding citizens are equipped to handle that problem if it ever rears its ugly head and ready to defend with deadly force anyone thug who wants to infringe on our liberty. In much of Europe, you kind of have to just sit back and accept a face smashing from a group of young punks after which they will take turns making the female partner scream in agony.

The first shot fired here would send the rest of the group scattering like cockroaches. What ya going to do in the UK, blow a whistle and pray an unarmed cop heard it??

I've made a video about the UKs gun laws and the march to disarmament. For another time perhaps.

Anyway. Healthcare in the UK is ok if you are chronically ill or suffer from poor health. IF you are healthy and able-bodied you WILL be paying for the sick and needy. Fair enough BUT....

My beef with that is the money you support the NHS on is often wasted and frittered away. I'd rather pay a voluntary sum if I can afford it than have swinging chunks of cash ripped out via tax each and every month/week. Instead away it goes into the money pit and no-one ever sees any return on the coin unless they suffer calamity, injury every month for the next 20 years etc.

The final beef I have with the NHS is that when it was formed just after WW2 the UK had a smaller population, more people worked (therefore it was self-supporting) and sickness wasn't as rampant as it is now. Under large populations, fewer people working to support it (via taxes) the system becomes unstable.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: WatchRider

Do you buy into those types of conspiracy theorists...

If so I have a tour coming up as well as a few books I'd like you to purchase.

Why are you on ATS if you don't even support CTs?

a reply to: WatchRider

Depends on the conspiracy theory.

I prefer mine to be either well documented, whistleblown, or barring the two physical types of evidence mentioned, to at least resonate spiritually...


If none of the above apply, I'm more than sceptical.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
I am in the UK, I don't feel all that British per se and I have considered often moving stateside.

The not so great side to the US:

The US has guns more than the UK. The US also has more gangs and ghettos than the UK.

The UK has a more caring system, we have the NHS which however much it needs fixing, is still good to have, and welfare systems as a safety net that the US doesn't.

The UK also has a certain ancient cultural heritage that interests me, we have ancient Roman villas, and places like Avebury and Stonehenge that are built on ley lines and have a certain energy.

Enjoy the company of women who aren't screwed in the head like UK women tend to be. American women tend to be of a better standard usually than the low-ways UK women have sunk! Yes I know they aren't a lost cause but they sure are nicer.

US guns Vs UK.

Yes there are more gangs and guns BUT if you head away to the Pacific North West and Mid-West, Rocky-States the gangs are much tamer (partly thanks to increased gun rights). Also I've found they don't tend to mess with non-gang people too much.

The worst I've heard of:

We had two former / reformed gang-members near me get home-invaded by some gang-idiots wanting to bring them back. Our neighbor went in with a shotgun and ran their asses out of the neighborhood. I heard about it when I'd just come back into the city for supplies.
That was big news for a while, no more gang-problems. No need to involve the police.

Yes the UK is more 'caring' in some ways, but it also 'cares' too much. It tries to meddle and interfere with certain things. Also some states in the USA are quite good for welfare. My buddy in Nevada has very severe health issues and the hospital writes off a lot of his bills so they are affordable. That's not even counting his welfare disability money.
The media noise about the welfare system in the USA is pro-welfare by default typically.

I agree on the ancient heritage in the UK, but the USA has some 'energy' vibes too.
Also the USA is largely untamed, waiting for the hand to form and forge the raw terrain into something.

You might laugh at this video, but I was just one man on a mountain with a little help from a neighbor I got my little cabin-shed built for the winter. A small example but an example nontheless.