Weapons You Can Legally Own In The UK!!!

originally posted by: PaddyInf
a reply to: DenyTreason

I think it's just more of a mindset thing. Why is it difficult to understand that an individual can be free without a firearm? The US citizen has a different outlook on what they need to be "free".

I think it's a shame that people aren't able to feel safe without a weapon. I live in a country with less firearms and a much lower murder rates than yours, yet many Americans will argue that more guns equal a safer society.

I'm a gun person. I own firearms and want to be able to carry a pistol for my protection, and did so for years. It's just that the line of thinking doesn't add up. Wider access to guns without some form of regulation leads to increased firearm related deaths.

Oh and the Royal Family haven't 'ruled' us in a VERY long time. They are a sovereign figurehead with no actual powers. They are merely there to act as a balance to the government. They don't set laws or have any input into the daily life of the people. We have a democratically elected government, just like the US. All the stuff you see publicly is pure window dressing and tradition. None of it has any actual bearing on how the country runs.

It is about freedom in America, but its also about protection from societies criminal degenerates here which increase in population with each passing day.

With all the wild lawless thug criminals found everywhere in the US, it is a necessity to own a firearm for protection nowadays. Perhaps magical UK fairy tale land is different somehow, dont know. A woman, elderly person, or even a strong MMA-trained male cannot defend their home and loved ones from a wild gang of souless criminal thugs who are hellbent on taking your belongings and beating or raping your wife or daughters before exitting. A life changing event that can happen at any time, to anyone. And it does happen ALL the time here. The majority of Americans are smart enough to realize that disarming us will be a disaster here.

And you dont believe that the Royals arent the real power players behind the scenes? Not only in the UK but many other areas of the world they are puppet masters behind the curtain, while of course "claiming" to not be. And the commoners in the UK (peasents) actually believe that complete nonsense?

I find the degree of brainwashing in the UK to be bloody alarming!!

a reply to: WatchRider

Mm there are a few things that don't quite fit with my experience of living in the North of Scotland anyway,my experiences of Edinburgh or Glasgow tend to show a similar outlook.

I'll.admit I have less to no experience of middle class suburban England and perhaps people will stand by and let someone take their wallet, car or steal an old ladies bag but surely not in the real working class areas.

I have had someone walk try my back door. All the lights were out so they must have thought everyone was asleep. Maybe they were planning to look about for car keys or something. I was sitting playing PS2 with lights off n heard the them try the door so I stood up quietly, grabbed an old bat from behind the couch n stood near the door near the light switch n waited till he crept right in and switched. on. the light and grabbed him by the jacket shouting what the # are you on but he pulled free n took off so I took off after him, I was raging at the guy for the hard neck of it. Sure he went to ground in the bushes or behind a garage and I checked about jabbing the bat into the bushes hoping I'd catch him with it but it didn't occur to me to phone the cops besides I wanted to find out who it was and then lay the c"*t on n. leave him there to crawl away.

We have genuine wilds here still, there are large predator cats here have seen a couple in the last 15 years but I get the man beast thing there is a unique dynamic up here, it's a different outlook and much more independent and still holding the clan system sense of not calling the cops but going up to whoever may have #ed you over and putting it right yourself. We may not have wolves or bears anymore which is a pity but the landscape, particularly the mountainous glens up the west coast, The Great Glen, Torridon and Glencoe. These places still kill each year.in summer, they haven't been or ever will be tamed, the high mountains have weather that can be beautiful then within minutes turn bad, turn against you and even the most experienced can be caught out. The real predators are gone but the very landscape can kill you if you underestimate it, even if you respect it. The mountains themselves isolated us from the rest of Scotland never mind the UK which adds to our sense of being apart from the rest of the country

That is an old world way of solving your problems but it is still how it tends to be done.

It can make matters worse but adding guns in the mix along with the alcohol, drugs and just the tendency to violence and getting even that is part of the culture,wrongs have to be put right,someone goes too far particularly if it's done against kids or someone who didn't deserve it then that person can end up in the back of a van and to the hills where they may or may not come back.

I've been told at work if somebody tries to hold up my truck for the cash I carry, only about £500 these days but a few years back I might have upto £70000.Was told just hand it over but my reaction would be come and take it off me then and we'll see what happens. If they had a gun then maybe but a knife I'd take it off them and ram it down their throat.

Perhaps that's why the Highland Regiments were often at the front of the British Army cos standing up and facing whatevers coming we're very good at nor do we know when to give in.

Any people that live in the freezing cold and high winds in, winter,constant rain and waist high thistles in summer then goes around wearing kilts with nothing on underneath have to pretty mad in the head. Btw, i know clan members didn't wear kilts it was a Victorian reinvention of the history of the Highlands for the tourists but it's a nice story haha

originally posted by: DenyTreason

originally posted by: blupblup
Pretty sure most people in the UK know they can own guns.

Pretty sure most people in the UK do NOT WANT guns.

From what I gather about the UK public, that view is due to the brainwashing job that the public there gets by their "royal" rulers who convince the freedomless peasents of the UK that an OBJECT such as a firearm can just jump up on its own ability at anytime and start firing at anyone in the area.

I bet the "royals" and other elite trash in the UK are packing some serious heat in their castles and mansions. But they are special you know, so they have special OBJECTS which wont jump up at anytime and start firing at them. Special firearms for such special people. Vomit.

That's exactly one of the main elements of the matter. People in the UK have been brainwashed, for the most part, to be HOPLOPHOBIC. This is the fancy term for 'fear of guns'. Even cops back in the day in the UK wouldn't even touch a gun because of this.

As to the police, it's well known they are over-rated. You have two types of firearms police - The AFOs (armed firearms officers) and the SFOs (specialist firearms officers). The SFOs are like the paramilitary equivalent, the AFOs are the armed officers who just guard areas typically and may patrol with them in their vehicle.

The SFOs are your hostage rescue, special response unit. When I served in the military they weren't really rated. The rumorville / scuttlebutt was they were prone to NDing during training and generally over-rating themselves. Recently there was a training accident where one of them shot another guy on their team killing him. However they did ok against the Woolwich animals who killed that squaddie.

originally posted by: PaddyInf
a reply to: DenyTreason

I think it's just more of a mindset thing. Why is it difficult to understand that an individual can be free without a firearm? The US citizen has a different outlook on what they need to be "free".

I think it's a shame that people aren't able to feel safe without a weapon. I live in a country with less firearms and a much lower murder rates than yours, yet many Americans will argue that more guns equal a safer society.

I'm a gun person. I own firearms and want to be able to carry a pistol for my protection, and did so for years. It's just that the line of thinking doesn't add up. Wider access to guns without some form of regulation leads to increased firearm related deaths.

Hmm, interesting contradiction there mate.

I detail this in my video I posted earlier.

You basically take it in stages. Get people used to them, introduce a licensing system for CCW at a non-lethal level like CS Gas / Pepper Spray. Start with low-capacity revolvers that are black powder, then move up from there.

It'll take about 2 generations then you start to see mindset of responsible people having it but only using it if there's danger. The politicians don't want a gun culture, but that's not what they were elected to destroy either!

I'm pro-choice on this. I've CCW'd in the USA, if you used to CCW a pistol on an FAC prior to 1997 then you were sailing a bit close to the wind. My mate used to do that during gun sales on on transport and I don't fault him for it BUT it would have been revokation time if you/he'd were caught with it by the plod.

originally posted by: fastbob72
a reply to: WatchRider


Perhaps that's why the Highland Regiments were often at the front of the British Army cos standing up and facing whatevers coming we're very good at nor do we know when to give in.

Any people that live in the freezing cold and high winds in, winter,constant rain and waist high thistles in summer then goes around wearing kilts with nothing on underneath have to pretty mad in the head. Btw, i know clan members didn't wear kilts it was a Victorian reinvention of the history of the Highlands for the tourists but it's a nice story haha

I hear you man of Scots!

It was from those highland clearances back in the day that the Founding Fathers made the vow not to have a people disarmed and along came the 2nd Amendment.

originally posted by: WatchRider

originally posted by: fastbob72
a reply to: WatchRider


Perhaps that's why the Highland Regiments were often at the front of the British Army cos standing up and facing whatevers coming we're very good at nor do we know when to give in.

Any people that live in the freezing cold and high winds in, winter,constant rain and waist high thistles in summer then goes around wearing kilts with nothing on underneath have to pretty mad in the head. Btw, i know clan members didn't wear kilts it was a Victorian reinvention of the history of the Highlands for the tourists but it's a nice story haha

I hear you man of Scots!

It was from those highland clearances back in the day that the Founding Fathers made the vow not to have a people disarmed and along came the 2nd Amendment.

Er no the 2nd amendment came from british law at the times.

The founding fathers adopted it as part of the constitution.

In fact most of that constitution in built on old english law.

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a reply to: WatchRider

Not really a contradiction at all. I want to carry a weapon because I received personal death threats from a terrorist group due to my work as part of the security forces in N Ireland. My desire to carry a personal protection weapon is based on the knowledge that a group of unstable and heavily armed men have made direct threats to my life. This is very different from Joe Bloggs wanting one "just in case". That's not a freedom thing, it's an insecurity thing.

The AFOs (that's authorised firearms officers) and SFOs in the UK are dispatched to THOUSANDS of incidents every year. There are very few actual shootings during these incidents. They are quite professional for the most part, though like every police unit in the world there are some less effective individuals. As for them shooting one of their own in training - accidents happen. The same thing happened a few years ago in Hereford when a SAS trooper was killed in the CQB house. It happens to the best.

I believe that firearm ownership should be less restricted, but there needs to be some form of regulation in place. Most people in the UK don't want firearms and are many are afraid of them because of a degree of ignorance of the subject due to a lack of exposure to them in a controlled environment. However even when they were much less restricted most people here just didn't want them. That's a cultural difference, not brainwashing.

It is a lazy habit to accuse a whole nation of brainwashing because they have a different cultural outlook you don't understand. This is a trend you see all too often on ATS.

Hi Paddy,

Having just returned here it's great to see you still posting. For what it's worth my two penneth is that those folks that want to there in the UK ( own rifled weapons) have the option to do so, although how much resistance placed in front of the individual depends on the CPO of the locale (chief police officer)

For myself I used to be an NSRA prone rifle instructor and enjoyed shooting for quite a few years until the jibes and cat calling just using the bus to get to the club got too much.

For what it's worth there has been one fatality that I am aware of in the 1950's from the abuse (stupidity) of a BSA sporting rifle at 5.56 mm not even a target rifle ( which was my thing as I had a BSA martini which was a sweet little thing weighing in at 15lbs) the incident was at Perry Barr in the Midlands. The dead guy was killed over a mile away he was walking up the back side of a hill and was shot by some idiot plinking at a pigeon in a tree on the upside of the hill. Hit straight in the heart no bleeding just dead.

The legislation is silly makes no sense and does nothing to address the issues of gun crime as criminals don't use licensed weapons. Nut jobs in shooting clubs ( Michael Ryan) use them.

Ex forces folks like you should IMO have the same rights they used to have when serving , the threat hasn't gone away.

Any way pleased to see some posts from you and I hope the sand is out of your boots and the trucker tan is fading.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: anticitizen
well actually if some passengers on the 911 flights had guns, 911 probably wouldn't have happened!

Yeah some dip# would have fired there gun off breached the hull and decompressed the plane causing it to crash long before it hit the tower.... your right

Sorry my friend but breaching the hull of a Commercial Airliner with a bullet will NOT result in a catastrophic failure
of the airframe .