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originally posted by: johndeere2020
This is Pauline (Apostle Paul) logic:
Romans 13:1-3 13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong.
Note that evil and corrupt leaders have existed in Paul's times.
Paul is the #1 apostle to many Christians. The bulk of New Testament was apparently written by Paul.
******* He makes a false assumption that all leaders are good!!! ******
Paul is also the same apostle who taught women to subject themselves to their husbands and banned them from leadership. We know this teaching doesn't produce any good results in the real world!!! The WEST have ditched the practice and have become one of the most peaceful nations on Earth with the highest average quality of living!
The most hell-bent religious nations, including nations who are not religious but neglects the welfare of women are infested with crime, human rights abuses, and generally miserable living conditions on average - despite having high levels of economic growth like China, India, many Middle Eastern Nations and many deeply RC Christian nations.
We see here that money isn't a huge factor in having a nation with high average standards of living but how it uses sound logic/wisdom and its treatment of women. The more stupid the leaders are, the worse off is a nation despite a high national income.
We can also conclude that money - making had nothing to do with wisdom but rather the opposite. Greed seems to be making life on average more difficult. The desire and envy to get rich is making everyone miserable but the few thieves who reap from the stupidity greed causes.
Abrahamic religions wage war against sound reasoning and logic and against women.
originally posted by: johndeere2020
Paul is the #1 apostle to many Christians. The bulk of New Testament was apparently written by Paul.
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Abrahamic religions wage war against sound reasoning and logic and against women.
originally posted by: johndeere2020
******* He makes a false assumption that all leaders are good!!! ******
originally posted by: JessicaRabbitTx
a reply to: StalkerSolent
Maybe, but if he really felt that he couldn't just say whatever it was he wanted to say, would it not have been better to let the people rely on what they already knew of good and evil to come to their own conclusions?
If your government is killing innocent people then why can't you just use what you already know about murder to make your own call?
Why should a religion be so complicated? Why all the rules?
It seems like an almighty God could sum everything up neatly without confusing everyone. Who really benefits from all the overcomplications besides maybe an earthly ruler who can reinterpret them to mean just about anything?
originally posted by: McGinty
This passage has always made me feel uneasy. Sounds more like the brainwashing dogma of a ruling elite than the words of a/the deity.
Next they're be finding a lost gospel that says bankers are part of Gods authority and if we disobey them, we disobey God.