Aliens or ex-inhabitants..

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Lol I can rofl imagine giving top secret testable evidence to someone from ATS and watching them blow themsleves sky high just like in this video.
Point is if your not in the circle of trust you get no testable evidence, because they wouldnt trust you with it. Like giving a kid some matches to test out fire is a real thing, totally ludicrous to ask for testable evidence.

Someone who wants some testable nuclear evidence to prove nuclear weapons exist on something other than thier TV screen, would be laughed out of any arena of sanity, what a joke.

Well, actually, anyone can get "testable" evidence...whether they are able to test it is another question. You speak of gathering testable evidence of nuclear weapons...that isn't very hard to find, but, not many would have any way to test it, and then the test wouldn't be accepted by most "skeptics"...as is evidenced here at ATS. And, of course, IF One was able to collect the evidence, AND test with good result...they might experience other "issues" stemming from that evidence.

But, TPTB don't have much to worry about...most people have absolutely no idea of HOW to test, or indeed, WHAT to test. So they sit around and complain that there isn't any evidence at all.

I think we should declare a temporary moratorium on the use of the word "testable".

Break out a thesaurus once and a while.

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Lol I can rofl imagine giving top secret testable evidence to someone from ATS and watching them blow themsleves sky high just like in this video.

Point is if your not in the circle of trust you get no testable evidence, because they wouldnt trust you with it. Like giving a kid some matches to test out fire is a real thing, totally ludicrous to ask for testable evidence.



Someone who wants some testable nuclear evidence to prove nuclear weapons exist on something other than thier TV screen, would be laughed out of any arena of sanity, what a joke.

Well, actually, anyone can get "testable" evidence...whether they are able to test it is another question. You speak of gathering testable evidence of nuclear weapons...that isn't very hard to find, but, not many would have any way to test it, and then the test wouldn't be accepted by most "skeptics"...as is evidenced here at ATS. And, of course, IF One was able to collect the evidence, AND test with good result...they might experience other "issues" stemming from that evidence.



But, TPTB don't have much to worry about...most people have absolutely no idea of HOW to test, or indeed, WHAT to test. So they sit around and complain that there isn't any evidence at all.

Which is why I said its being willfully ignorant, denial of what thier being told because they want top secret testable evidence yet they cant test it and arent in the circle of trust to be given such material.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Which is why I said its being willfully ignorant, denial of what thier being told because they want top secret testable evidence yet they cant test it and arent in the circle of trust to be given such material.

Well, I have to agree for the most part, especially "willful ignorance" part. Though I do have some issue with those who insist that science supports their position, when in reality it does not...partly why I asked the question; "How would you propose we test?" I'm sure there will be very few responses to that question.

The real problem is we have all "put our foot in it", and we will track it into everywhere we go...Ignoring it won't make it go away!

a reply to: tanka418

partly why I asked the question; "How would you propose we test?"

Before something can be tested, it would have to be defined. If we are talking about a phenomenon that is transient and doesn't conform to what we know about how the world works, then what are we supposed to test? If we are talking about a physical phenomenon, then it should be easy to define. Then if someone else is making the claim and insisting that ET is physically real without anything physically tangible to examine, the only test you could possibly give is a psychological test. And I don't mean that in a derogatory way because a psychological test would be utterly useless in determining the nature of someone's subjective experience. Maybe you want to test the theory that someone hallucinated an ET encounter. You can't. So we are stuck.

But in reality, we are testing the evidence all the time here. There was a video of a UFO recently. Someone said it was Venus. So I tested that by matching that video with where Venus was at that time.

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Which is why I said its being willfully ignorant, denial of what thier being told because they want top secret testable evidence yet they cant test it and arent in the circle of trust to be given such material.

Well, I have to agree for the most part, especially "willful ignorance" part. Though I do have some issue with those who insist that science supports their position, when in reality it does not...partly why I asked the question; "How would you propose we test?" I'm sure there will be very few responses to that question.

The real problem is we have all "put our foot in it", and we will track it into everywhere we go...Ignoring it won't make it go away!

"denial of what thier being told". Imagine that: not believing that which we're told when there's not an iota of testable evidence proving that it's fact. How dare we not follow the herd.

Why do agree that not believing unsubtantiated claims is willful ignorance? Could you explain?

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Which is why I said its being willfully ignorant, denial of what thier being told because they want top secret testable evidence yet they cant test it and arent in the circle of trust to be given such material.

Well, I have to agree for the most part, especially "willful ignorance" part. Though I do have some issue with those who insist that science supports their position, when in reality it does not...partly why I asked the question; "How would you propose we test?" I'm sure there will be very few responses to that question.

The real problem is we have all "put our foot in it", and we will track it into everywhere we go...Ignoring it won't make it go away!

"denial of what thier being told". Imagine that: not believing that which we're told when there's not an iota of testable evidence proving that it's fact. How dare we not follow the herd.

Why do agree that not believing unsubtantiated claims is willful ignorance? Could you explain?

Okay...HOW, are we going to test? What are we going to test?

What would or can you do to test any of these claims?

If you were presented with data, would you be able to recognize what it was, interpret what it says?


a reply to: ZetaRediculian
in your scenario there could be a wealth of data in the story and the "telling" of the story...and that is where our psychologists will come in handy.

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Which is why I said its being willfully ignorant, denial of what thier being told because they want top secret testable evidence yet they cant test it and arent in the circle of trust to be given such material.

Well, I have to agree for the most part, especially "willful ignorance" part. Though I do have some issue with those who insist that science supports their position, when in reality it does not...partly why I asked the question; "How would you propose we test?" I'm sure there will be very few responses to that question.

The real problem is we have all "put our foot in it", and we will track it into everywhere we go...Ignoring it won't make it go away!

"denial of what thier being told". Imagine that: not believing that which we're told when there's not an iota of testable evidence proving that it's fact. How dare we not follow the herd.

Why do agree that not believing unsubtantiated claims is willful ignorance? Could you explain?

Okay...HOW, are we going to test? What are we going to test?

What would or can you do to test any of these claims?

If you were presented with data, would you be able to recognize what it was, interpret what it says?


a reply to: ZetaRediculian
in your scenario there could be a wealth of data in the story and the "telling" of the story...and that is where our psychologists will come in handy.

That's precisely the point! There is no evidence to test! The onus is on the person making the positive claims (ie. extraterrestrials exist and visit earth, etc.) to present that testable evidence. It is significant that they have not done so. Instead, they present it as religion and expect you to simply believe them.

Look at history. Look at the number of times governments and militaries have lied to us to further their (often covert) agendas. In this case, these people aren't even current governmental officials or current military (as much as the presenter of these videos attempts to persuade us that they are). The question has been raised: why would these people lie? The answer is to serve their agenda, whatever that may be.

These people were in position to obtain testable evidence, had it existed. Apparently, none of them have done so. Exactly why, then, should we believe their claims?

What might be their agenda: to put us in a state of fear. People in a state of fear are much easier to manipulate than those who are not in a state of fear.

Do these people believe that which they are saying? Maybe. Maybe not. It really doesn't matter because they clearly can't prove their claims.

Now, I ask you why you want to believe them.

a reply to: draknoir2

I think we should declare a temporary moratorium on the use of the word "testable".

Break out a thesaurus once and a while.

What we need is evidence that is confirmable and shown to be conclusive through deductible processes that can be demonstrable with undoubtable outcomes that is also verifiable.

There is physical evidence out there but people will close thier eyes to it. Which is why I say willfull ignorance.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Actually, that's just a TV show.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



Actually, that's just a TV show.

Look at the evidence cited in the TV show this is what I mean by being willfully ignorant.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



Actually, that's just a TV show.

Look at the evidence cited in the TV show this is what I mean by being willfully ignorant.

Only look at the evidence as presented in the UFO television show and do not question. That is willful ignorance.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



Actually, that's just a TV show.

Look at the evidence cited in the TV show this is what I mean by being willfully ignorant.

So what I can gather from your comments and attitude is that you watched a TV show, were dazzled by it and believed it. You seem to assume that nobody has seen this stuff before because if they did, they would also be as wowed as you are. Essentially you want people to watch a TV show and validate your feelings about it. When they don't validate your feelings, you call them names instead of examining the actual reasons why the TV show doesn't impress everyone in the same way it impressed you. What is really going on here seems to be an ego defenses mechanism. it really is your own "willful ignorance" projected onto others. At any rate, your comment has nothing to do with me personally being "willfully ignorant" because I have seen all of that stuff before and had looked into it further and decided it was bull$hit.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Look at the evidence cited in the TV show this is what I mean by being willfully ignorant.

Believing everything you see on a TV show or reading on a Russian website (i refer to your threrad in the hoax bin) is being wilfully ignorant.
Not everything on TV is the truth you know...

Theres plenty of evidence out there to discuss of ancient aliens and ancient advanced civilizations.

As to the thread which was closed I dont care if people wanna close thier eyes to pure aluminum ancient screws from over 300 million years ago.

Education on the facts is a terrible thing to close your mind to, but hey I dont expect too much so im not dissapointed.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Now you are just being obstreperously ignorant.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Theres plenty of evidence out there to discuss of ancient aliens and ancient advanced civilizations.

As to the thread which was closed I dont care if people wanna close thier eyes to pure aluminum ancient screws from over 300 million years ago.

Education on the facts is a terrible thing to close your mind to, but hey I dont expect too much so im not dissapointed.

And in your video of the "screw" we find one of the worst traits of these sort of videos...the total lack of expertise.

And reasonable engineer who has worked production (I was production engineer for the Q8000 ATE...way back in the day) will tell you that "pure" aluminum is to soft to use as a screw. While it can be hardened somewhat by heat, like Iron, it never gets hard/strong enough to use as a fastener. Which is "why" Terrestrial manufacturing uses aluminum alloys or steel for screws, and NEVER pure Aluminum.

As for your Ancient Aliens; that is a completely different story, one that has a plethora of evidence. Just last night while watching one episode I learned a bit more about the Dagon Tribe in Africa. They are the people who speak more directly about aliens from Sirius. Of course Sirius itself, as a star, to far too young to support virtually any life, but...

Beyond Sirius is another star called Nu 2 Canis Majoris. Nu 2 has a single confirmed planet. It is said to be a "water vapor Jovian" planet...meaning it's a big ball of water and water vapor, and larger than Jupiter. It is said t lie about 1.9 AU from its star, and to be inside the Habitable zone.

I was about to write Nu 2 off as just a good candidate until last night...during the program it was mentioned that the Dagon people believe the aliens from Sirius came from a "water world". While I don't think that Nu 2 Canis Majoris B has life directly (although it may), there is a very good probability of a suitable moon. This whole business of the "water world" has made me want to research this "angle" a bit more...NU 2 Canis Majoris is looking rather good as a possible home world for visiting aliens...Nu 2 is about 64 ly away, is a class "k1" star...from all indication it could be rather hospitable to advanced sentient life.

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Theres plenty of evidence out there to discuss of ancient aliens and ancient advanced civilizations.



As to the thread which was closed I dont care if people wanna close thier eyes to pure aluminum ancient screws from over 300 million years ago.



Education on the facts is a terrible thing to close your mind to, but hey I dont expect too much so im not dissapointed.

And in your video of the "screw" we find one of the worst traits of these sort of videos...the total lack of expertise.



And reasonable engineer who has worked production (I was production engineer for the Q8000 ATE...way back in the day) will tell you that "pure" aluminum is to soft to use as a screw. While it can be hardened somewhat by heat, like Iron, it never gets hard/strong enough to use as a fastener. Which is "why" Terrestrial manufacturing uses aluminum alloys or steel for screws, and NEVER pure Aluminum.



As for your Ancient Aliens; that is a completely different story, one that has a plethora of evidence. Just last night while watching one episode I learned a bit more about the Dagon Tribe in Africa. They are the people who speak more directly about aliens from Sirius. Of course Sirius itself, as a star, to far too young to support virtually any life, but...



Beyond Sirius is another star called Nu 2 Canis Majoris. Nu 2 has a single confirmed planet. It is said to be a "water vapor Jovian" planet...meaning it's a big ball of water and water vapor, and larger than Jupiter. It is said t lie about 1.9 AU from its star, and to be inside the Habitable zone.



I was about to write Nu 2 off as just a good candidate until last night...during the program it was mentioned that the Dagon people believe the aliens from Sirius came from a "water world". While I don't think that Nu 2 Canis Majoris B has life directly (although it may), there is a very good probability of a suitable moon. This whole business of the "water world" has made me want to research this "angle" a bit more...NU 2 Canis Majoris is looking rather good as a possible home world for visiting aliens...Nu 2 is about 64 ly away, is a class "k1" star...from all indication it could be rather hospitable to advanced sentient life.

Some very interesting stuff thanks for sharing. . . . .

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Lol I can rofl imagine giving top secret testable evidence to someone from ATS and watching them blow themsleves sky high just like in this video.
Point is if your not in the circle of trust you get no testable evidence, because they wouldnt trust you with it. Like giving a kid some matches to test out fire is a real thing, totally ludicrous to ask for testable evidence.

Someone who wants some testable nuclear evidence to prove nuclear weapons exist on something other than thier TV screen, would be laughed out of any arena of sanity, what a joke.

Well, actually, anyone can get "testable" evidence...whether they are able to test it is another question. You speak of gathering testable evidence of nuclear weapons...that isn't very hard to find, but, not many would have any way to test it, and then the test wouldn't be accepted by most "skeptics"...as is evidenced here at ATS. And, of course, IF One was able to collect the evidence, AND test with good result...they might experience other "issues" stemming from that evidence.

But, TPTB don't have much to worry about...most people have absolutely no idea of HOW to test, or indeed, WHAT to test. So they sit around and complain that there isn't any evidence at all.

I think we should declare a temporary moratorium on the use of the word "testable".

Break out a thesaurus once and a while.

On the contrary, it's vitally important that people learn to distinguish between belief and fact. In order to do that, they have to understand what testable evidence means. I realize that it's extremely inconvenient for the Church of ET parishoners, but so what?

a reply to: tanka418
So here you've claimed a physical event of extraterrestrial(s) meeting and talking with the governments of the world, but now you conveniently try to talk your way out of giving any evidence by turning it into a telepathic message. Slight problem there because it's an incident that goes beyond a personal claim by you, to many other people that would have experienced it. We're also to believe for some reason you're personally privy to this information? Hmmmmm

I have, in another post, made reference to acquiring data, that while testable, that data, and the testing is not something that can be "shared". For instance, a set of experiences that over time show themselves to be "true"...many instances where, in this case, my "telepathy" was "proven"...this data can't be shared, thus YOU can't examine it...if that means that you don't accept...OH WELL! I see that as YOUR problem, not mine.

Oh well I guess. I absolutely wouldn't accept the word of an anonymous member on a UFO and alien message board. Your entire belief system could be filled with delusion for all I know. What I do know is you consistently argue the existence of intelligent alien beings on Earth with zero actual evidence of that.

I've been thinking about this...the very same demand made by virtually everybody; so...

What kinds of tests to you propose?

Lets say for the moment that I might actually be willing to work with you on this. What kind of "testing" would you propose we do?

Let us say for the moment that we are testing my abilities as a "Telepath" how would you go about testing for that?

Please be specific.

Testing of telepathic messages between you and an extraterrestrial? I don't know off-hand how that would be accomplished. If it were between you and another person, I would suggest something like James Randi's million dollar challenge where there's a set group of protocols to be followed. I'd imagine one simple test could be several sentences written down that are read and the message sent 'telepathically' to the other person. There should be no problem getting the sentences correct every single time if you speak the truth.

You try to skirt around providing physical evidence yourself, but the physical evidence required is set by the believers themselves. They've claimed over the last 6 decades, extraterrestrial beings have crashed space craft, landed, interacted with humans through abductions, implants, etc. All physical Earthbound accounts and incidences that require some type of physical evidence to back them up.