If God created everything, why does religion contradicts so many things??

a reply to: rukia

"OP, even if you don't understand it, God does."

That's quite a bold statement to make considering the lack of evidence to suggest such.

Good and evil are simply human constructs, our ability to distinguish right from wrong lies with the fact that we also possess the ability to empathise with others of our own kind.

I imagine any omnipotent entity or deity would not be limited by such notions.

Probably worth keeping in mind that the Bible is a book written by Man and edited over the century's with all his fears, fallibility's and agenda's at play. Thats a simple fact.

a reply to: johndeere2020

God must have known what humans will do with His word.. How it would cause wars, death and missery. I mean,.. how could God not know what would happen after He delivered His words? Therefore it can not be other than He has a purpose with the consequences. Maybe it has something to do with living in the flesh to be a tough lesson?

I don't know.. just speculating and trying to make something of it..

a reply to: zatara

Well apparently its all part of a plan, which in my opinion implies predestination.

So why allow us freewill or the notion of such? Seems to me that would be counter-productive to what ends one can only speculate.

a reply to: johndeere2020

Everything has to contradict God....You just don't understand it, God wants you to find him ON YOUR OWN! You must believe, if you don't and let God into your life, everything will seem to contradict everything else....See for yourself, I dare you...Open up and let God in, you will have a new outlook on this topic!

a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

I know you were talking to johndeere2020, but I wanted to make something clear. He was a Christian for a long time and decided to not be anymore. You are speaking as though he never knew the god you are speaking of. I am the same. I was a Christian for a long time, then left the church. It wasn't sudden though. I had a lot of questions and concerns. I read a lot and ask a lot of questions to people of many faiths and backgrounds. Eventually I realized that the "faith" wasn't all that people present it to be.

So my point is that just because someone doesn't agree with you on this matter, it does not mean they haven't given your god and religion a chance.

In Christianity the Book of Genesis says God created the Earth. Most modern, or mainstream Christians do not take the accounts literally. With this acknowledgement that most Christians don’t necessarily believe God created everything, room for contradiction is sparse. Most mainstream Christians (outside of the US(!)) don’t believe in creationism, and are more receptive to and comfortable with God existing in a world ruled by science and scientific principles, such as evolution and the Big Bang.

I have not got a clue about other religions, except to say that in Islam God is considered the creator and that the universe exists by his “will”. I am not even going to try and speculate here in case some Jihadist finds out where I live, because I have made some insulting faux pas.

Regards

If God created everything, why does religion contradicts so many things??

Using the definition of religion as a man made set of dogmas and rules of worship, it is easy to see why many things appear to contradict.

MAN is involved.

Satan is the ruler of this world, for now, and has great control over many humans, especially in organized religion. His greatest deception is convincing us satan does not exist.

originally posted by: Wifibrains

Wifi, weren't you one of those people complaining about offending the Muslims? LOL You could work for Charlie Hebdo if you like the sort of blasphemy on this cartoon but would never have to worry about getting blown up over it.

originally posted by: johndeere2020
I don't think God would create something, only to oppose and undermine it. In this discussion, we focus on Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) for they are the most popular and influential religions in the world.

For example, in wealth, religion often says that good people will have abundance and bad people will experience poverty and misery - this is the kind of programming you'll hear in churches even if the Bible is not clear (divided) on the subject.

In reality, the greediest and often, very evil and corrupt people becomes the richest and often die in abundant material wealth. Some really good and selfless people died in misery and poverty.

Jesus taught that mercy is good while sacrifice is pointless. But there are many teachings in Abrahamic religions which result to misery. Women are treated with lesser authority than men and sometimes, even sub-humans. But studies show that women actually make better leaders than men in a business setting and results to higher productivity.

Many of the most religious nations on the planet are also the most miserable and figures badly in observation of human rights. The most non religous nations (with the exception of communist and dictatorial nations) figures highly in the respect of human life, equality and their citizens enjoying a high quality of living on average and low crime rates.

Additional references not necessary, you'll have to be deaf and blind to not see these things happen in our world.

Additional references are definitely required as its all subjective if not blatantly wrong

Jesus preached the sermon on the mount making it clear that those who have least would be blessed. It doesnt say blessed are the wealthy, it may be preached in many churches but its a lie.

Jesus taught mercy and self sacrifice, how that is related to women is not clear.
Christianity was held together at its foundation by some amazing women, its church history

and finally those nations that are now atheist and have good standards are all based on biblical principles that were once partof the governments foundation.

Care to justify your position, want me to reference what I said?

a reply to: paraphi

In Christianity the Book of Genesis says God created the Earth. Most modern, or mainstream Christians do not take the accounts literally. With this acknowledgement that most Christians don’t necessarily believe God created everything, room for contradiction is sparse.

Right. Some Christians have asserted that God didn't create sin, and that place called Hell is just "absence of God". They say Hell isn't a place God created. When "HE" decides he's tried to get through to you long enough, and just gives up and walks away, that's Hell.

However, if these Christians had read the Old Testament, the origin of their God, they's see that their God revels in Hell.

a reply to: johndeere2020

Because every one argues the who did, why, when and where....so much so...they forget about God the creator.

Maybe one day...they can all agree...but not anytime soon I believe

a reply to: rukia

Nor will you be able to disprove faith with logic because you're comparing apples and oranges.

giving penicillin to a corpse is not proof that penicillin is useless.

originally posted by: Wifibrains

God and religion are two ENTIRELY different things, in my opinion. To each there own, but I can't see God wanting to have anything to do with religion.

The concept of God is perfectly reasonable and really can't be proved or disproved, at ;least not by anyone living. However, Jonah most certainly did not spend time in the belly of a giant fish and survive to tell the tale.

originally posted by: rukia
The bible explains all of this. There's no contradiction. Evil is allowed because everything happens for a reason, and that's where faith comes in. Faith and logic are two different things. Faith doesn't require logic--and that's why it's faith. Logic will only get you so far. That's where faith is supposed to come in.

The human existence is a spiritual one. Because we are wholly spiritual--even though we currently have a physical body. This isn't about logic at all. It's about the spirit and about faith. That's what this reality is. This reality doesn't even run on logic half of the time. All those crazy unexplainable things that people get so mindfked over--spiritual. Logic can't help you understand things like that. But faith can.

Faith without logic is called "blind faith". I was a Christian for 20 years. I used to have what you call "faith without logic" and i know the whole drill.

I know the crazy unexplainable things. The Holy Spirit literally appears to me regularly. To the surprise of you religious people, She teaches me mostly on scientific matters, especially on scientific discoveries which might reveal our true origins.

She tells me which way to look and it's up to me to form my own conclusions based on critical and objective analysis of given facts. We are given brilliant minds to use it, not for blindly believing things.




On the subject of "allowed evil". Let's just say it serves some good by testing our faith. But what should be the correct response to it? Should we just sit back and relax after all, it serves some good or should we actually do something about it??? It was Einstein who said, the world is evil because of good people who do nothing about it.

originally posted by: Ellie Sagan
a reply to: Chrisfishenstein

I know you were talking to johndeere2020, but I wanted to make something clear. He was a Christian for a long time and decided to not be anymore. You are speaking as though he never knew the god you are speaking of. I am the same. I was a Christian for a long time, then left the church. It wasn't sudden though. I had a lot of questions and concerns. I read a lot and ask a lot of questions to people of many faiths and backgrounds. Eventually I realized that the "faith" wasn't all that people present it to be.

So my point is that just because someone doesn't agree with you on this matter, it does not mean they haven't given your god and religion a chance.

I have been sincerely your average Christian for 20 years. I used to blindly believe in religious dogmas. Some big events in my life one after another made me do some studying on other people's lives, do some bit of statistical analysis and discovered many Christian teachings actually bring the opposite results to its intended purpose.

If you hear one thing, but see a completely different effect which does not reflect the nature of the source, then it's a guaranteed lie, a false teaching and there are many such lies from the Bible alone. Even Jesus will say one thing on the Bible and Christians do exactly the opposite... They are just following their fleshly desires and eager to twist scriptural meaning to suit their fleshly agendas.


The problems in religion are huge. It generally reflects "stampede mentality" - better to run with a group even to their deaths.


The poor sticks in hopes of a better life on Earth or in the afterlife, the rich sticks so they can brag the favor God imposed on them for being "good"

The truth can often be the opposite of what religion teaches.

a reply to: windword

Some Christians have asserted that God didn't create sin

Because sin isn't a material thing. It's either an action or an inaction.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: windword

Some Christians have asserted that God didn't create sin

Because sin isn't a material thing. It's either an action or an inaction.

All right, then. Replace the word "sin" with "evil" and we have the same argument. Some Christians have asserted that God didn't create evil.

originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: windword

Some Christians have asserted that God didn't create sin

Because sin isn't a material thing. It's either an action or an inaction.

All right, then. Replace the word "sin" with "evil" and we have the same argument. Some Christians have asserted that God didn't create evil.

Same argument from me. Evil is likewise not a material thing.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

In that case, neither is love.