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Just a Piece of "Practical" News
Folks, this is only a "notice" of something that all of us who have spent serious time researching these anomalies [and who have collected files] need to consider. I know most everyone knows this, but if my experience with my personal friends holds true, we don't really do anything about it. This is, of course, the concern over preservation of the phenomenological elements of the subjects [the data], and the human-involvement elements of the subjects [the history], plus the related issue of making these piles of information more widely available to responsible scholars today and in the future..
Link
Wandering In The Wake Of UFOs
"The Trouble with your UFO hobby is that you have no evidence. "
Really?
"Yep. Pretty pathetic given all those years."
I think that there is pretty good evidence.
"Hah! If there was, we'd know about it."
I could show you....
"Don't bother."
There are unusual lights....
" What a joke!"
Well, there are a lot of them... and
That light Captain Hull and his co-pilot saw came in front of them and danced. ...
"Ah Shut-up! Who's Captain Hull? Some drunk?"
No, he's...
"I don't have time for this crap. So long."
Well, if you won't even look....
those non-inertials.... those displays which show 'it' knows exactly where the observers are... the military guys, even scientists/ astronomers...
"Lights in the sky. No more."
Well...
"Forget it, Waste of time... "
Well, he's gone... probably just as well...
Oh yes. No evidence. Technological objects by the dozens seen by aerotech engineers, pilots, people of every sort... Obviously physical, Obviously "built", Obviously "interested....
... no evidence.
Radar.... i guess those don't count.
We all know that radar is a useless technique. After all if it were useful our military would USE it, wouldn't we?
What we could really use would be some cases where the alleged things were close to the witnesses.
Too bad that we don't have any......
... or if the darned things would just leave some trace of their being here.
Too bad that never happens.
Or ANYTHING!! Anything at all! Electrical interference, mass displacement, "burns", paralysis --- ANYTHING!! Give me something!!
I guess we're just out of luck.
What about a picture? How about one by the military or one examined by them? But NOTHING! Nothing at all.
and if there WAS anything to this, you'd think that we'd get a glimpse of who's behind it once in a while.....
Link
Michael D. Swords is a Professor of Natural Science at Western
Michigan University in Kalamazoo, Michigan. He graduated from the
University of Notre Dame in 1962 with a B.S. degree in Chemistry, and
also holds an M.S. degree from Iowa State University in Biochemistry
(1965), and a Ph.D. from Case Western Reserve university (1972).
His major professional and involvements are teaching and writing in
the areas of general sciences and anomalous phenomena. His teaching
centers about human biology, the history and philosophy of science,
scientific methodology, and the "parasciences" of which UFOlogy is a
member. His writings have concentrated mainly on topics in UFOlogy,
parapsychology, and cryptozoology, and several have been published in
the "MUFON UFO Journal". He has won University's Teaching Excellence
Award (1978).
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: karl 12
Karl
So we have a large collection of lore. Tales and stories, some pictures and so what. Why does anyone research UFOs in the first place anymore. There have been active sightings now for almost 70 years and where are we. Still researching. RESEARCHING????? Reading about everybody elses tales. The encounters vary from this type of vehicle to that type of vehicle. Speculation runs the gamut from Martians to inter-dimensional-transcosmic collective consciousness. And where are we now. The same place as we were 70 years ago.
Cameras are now 100 times better than the cameras of back then. And now everybody has them. Back then information was very restricted just by the nature of technology. Now some one can take a picture and within minutes it can be posted around the world.
And what do we get??? Blurry lights in the sky, lights zooming and moving in formation sometimes. No better than 70 years ago.
Do I sound pissed? Yeah, well I am. You know why? Because my first sighting was in 1956 with subsequent sightings a decade later. And where are we now?? Researching researching researching.... Yes I'm pissed. No more research, no more stories from OTHER people. Might as well sit down on our couches and watch reruns of all the various Ancient Aliens episodes for the rest of our lives.
And what pisses me the most Karl, is the time I saw a saucer, not a light but a clear as day saucer flying over my head for almost half a minute. Just flying by. And I waited and watched and hoped and you know what???? I still do not know what I saw or why I saw it. Human secret tech???? I don't know. Aliens from Mars?????????? I don't know.
And so it all comes down to what do I want it to mean. What do YOU want it to mean.
I'm sorry, Karl. I didn't mean to veer your thread off your intentions here it's just that I'm pissed we all haven't' got it figured out yet and all I see coming from research is just more of the same....
originally posted by: Bloodydagger
Michael Swords has an excellent book out titled UFOs and Government: A Historical Inquiry . It will end up being a classic in UFO literature.
His other book Grassroots UFOs: Case Reports from the Center for UFO Studies is excellent as well.
Is he coming out with a new book soon? Mr Swords is quickly becoming one of my favorite Ufologists.
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger
a reply to: Tangerine
He puts the evidence out there and lets the reader decide. If he has come up with his own conclusion, I don't know what they would be. Its why I was asking if he had a new book coming out soon.
Hes excellent. I highly recommend his books.
originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: TerryMcGuire
I am in the same boat..rowing it in fact. We will all know for sure at the same time, when they want us to. Ive been an avid consumer of "conspiracy" info for the past 25 years. Ive grown tired of the ufo/alien wing of it all. Regurgitation
originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: Tangerine
E.T. if they exist. I have found that after all these years of labor pains and no baby I am actually starting to rethink my beliefs on the matter.
originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: TerryMcGuire
I am in the same boat..rowing it in fact. We will all know for sure at the same time, when they want us to. Ive been an avid consumer of "conspiracy" info for the past 25 years. Ive grown tired of the ufo/alien wing of it all. Regurgitation
and fits in with your belief system.
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
So we have a large collection of lore. Tales and stories, some pictures and so what.
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
I'm sorry, Karl. I didn't mean to veer your thread off your intentions here it's just that I'm pissed we all haven't' got it figured out yet and all I see coming from research is just more of the same....
There is no doubt in my mind that today if not many times over the past fifty years we have had the surveillance capabilities to completely monitor the activities of certain UFO flights –and know exactly when they’re going, where they’re going, how they’re going, where they appear form and leave to, all the characteristics about them – we have radar based devices that will not only show the distance, direction and azimuth of an object and all that but will also how shape. We have devices the army has developed for tracking projectiles – they check the acoustic wave and when something crosses over they can immediately track that data and go back to the source. That’s how they track where a mortar is or a howitzer. We can use that same technology – and its portable – for tracking UFOs.
I don’t believe any of these things fly over our country today without being known and if somebody wanted the UFO mystery to completely disappear they could in five minutes release enough data to show exactly what’s going on and is not going on.
Interview
Secret US Intelligence Agency Holds UFO Answers
originally posted by: Puzzuzu
That will give ATS a welcomed injection of more UFO evidence to debate.