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posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 05:36 PM
There have been a few dozen times now, that I've wanted to post something
in this forum, but have decided not to, because while the post is most
assuredly about "Aliens and UFOs" in the minds of some, it's definitely
NOT in the minds of others.

In this case, the rub comes down to whether one is a proponent of a
general extraterrestrial view (yes aliens probably exist, but have
probably never been here - no evidence that they have) or a more rabid
ETH (Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis) view, where there are supposedly
whole fleets of UFOs of dozens of races visiting us daily)

all the way to the far end of the other spectrum, where John Keel and
Jacques Vallee proponents think that the ETH cannot logically explain
all the purported sightings and highly strange events (bathtubs falling
out of the sky - you name it)

Now in a perfect world, if we were all advanced and infinitely reasonable
beings, we could perfectly get along in just the one forum. But we are
humans! Which is OK I guess. And in fact all that friction (and there is
a TON) is in a sense 'good for us' and helps keep things stimulating.

On the other hand, the vast polarization in that forum means (I'd wager,
would like to hear from others) that many people don't post in that
forum at all, who would really like to, which is a shame.

I think that the Aliens and UFOs forum has become just as polarized as
if ATS forced the Christians and Satanists to share the same forum
(and I suppose ATS has with the conspiracies in religion forum).

But there are faith forums which are mostly immune to this toxic
back and forth (I hope -- I don't read them).

I just want feedback about all this.

For example today, I wanted to post about this question:

"Why do so-called 'Aliens', 'Space Brothers', etc. ALWAYS lie".

I have a theory about that (more complex than the mental illness
theory) and I realized I utterly did not want to post it in the
Aliens and UFOs forum where it would get the best discussion;
I didn't want to put it in the Gray Forum (it's not about an
experience) and didn't want to put it in the Skunk Works,
because it's not about death rays from mars or whatever.

So I just won't post it. By the by, I"m discussing this theory
right now with two very famous and venerable authors and
researchers in the field of UFOs and I don't feel like I want
to post, where presumably 'it should go'.

I'm always wondering if sub-forums would help with this
issue.. (or maybe it's only an issue for me.. maybe others
don't avoid posting for these reasons).

Maybe I'm seeing an issue which doesn't exist.


posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 06:02 PM
There can certainly be alot of pro and con about this, and I also understand what it is you are trying to say as well.

I can only speak for myself, but this has been my "education" as far as this topic goes with ufos etc.. When I first became a member, I posted a few things quite innocently. Taking some of the bashing was rough, but enevitably I did learn a lot about what to look for as far as possible hoax videos and such as to be more aware of what I was actually posting. So on that point I learned the hard way, but I did learn. Anything I may present now, though sometimes a bit apprehensive, what is presented I truly feel deserves a look over. Granted this is basically referring to posting videos, and yes, some members will poo poo anything no matter what it may be presented. Sad really because I really think with all the videos and photos and experiences out there, they just can't be all bs. It only takes one to be real and we may very well have seen the "one" but it has been blown off out of habit or any number of reasons and excuses.

I have reached a point, that while I may be more careful of what I may bring to the table, if something catches my eye, I will post it. I post it for the folks that may be of similar mind or thoughts or opinions ,or just more open minded about this topic. I take the rest with a grain of salt, and if its worthwhile, I may learn something along the way.

It sounds like you may have something very interesting to share and frankly I think you should. There Are many around here that very well may be intrigued as well as the enevitable poo poo'ers. Post for those of similar mind and get yourself a lively conversation and take the rest as que sara'.

That's my two cents anyway, and I really hope you do post what is on your mind and a bit of the correspondence you have alluded too.

edit on 1/24/15 by onehuman because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 06:05 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Just post in the aliens forum and be done, get the discussion going...

posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 06:12 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You should never be afraid to post a topic that you want to discuss. If anyone is breaking the T&C's during that discussion, the staff will be more than happy to take a look and intervene when necessary.

ATS is meant to be a place for open discussion for all. So go ahead, post your thread. Let staff handle those who get out of line.

posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 06:33 PM
a reply to: _BoneZ_


But I'm not afraid of responses -- certainly not!
I'll walk into the Vatican and tell the pope off if I think I should do that!

It's not the feisty put downs and what not that bother me.

Actually, at times I'm just as much to blame.

For example I have this habit of being disruptive myself that I am
self-monitoring for. I don't insult people. I don't put them down.
I don't do anything like that.. but what I find myself doing sometimes
is posting up such a storm, that the 'other side' just gives up, and
then the good back and forth shuts down. But even in that sort of
case, the whole forum turns a bit toxic for a while.. people are
afraid of having such a thing happen again any time soon.

I'm highly repentant about the times I have done this.. I hope to
never do it again. No, no mod has ever mentioned this to me,
I'm an adult and try to become a better person every day.
That's all.

But it's this sort of thing I've noticed far and wide, that has driven
some really good posters silent.

Perhaps this post is a bit of a mea culpa for me!



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 06:33 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

sounds like an interesting thread - how about posting it in 'philosophy and metaphysics'?

that should keep the aliens away
edit on 24-1-2015 by aynock because: filled out

posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 06:37 PM
a reply to: aynock

Actually, although I have over 40 years in a very in-demand
metaphysical field of study, I don't post in that forum any
more. There are a flood of common responses that my posts
often get, which involve common societal memes, which
precludes a good discussion.

Maybe I'm just too picky on which forum I use!

I'm a cranky old man waving a shotgun at the kids
to get off of my lawn I guess!

But thanks for suggesting!


posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 07:36 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But there are faith forums which are mostly immune to this toxic
back and forth (I hope -- I don't read them).

LoL I guess you don't read them...

Because personally I think it's the most toxic Forum on the board.

You should just post your thread.
Sounds interesting.

posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 07:49 PM
It happens in a lot of forums and I get what you mean. A solid, thought out post to start a thread goes sideways before page 2 with off topic garbage and mud slinging. Most of the UFO/Alien threads devolve into 'give me proof or your a believer in fantasy with no proof' issue. Posters who add nothing to the topic sit back demanding an alien come talk to them or they refuse to entertain even the possibility. By page 3 of the thread other 'best evidence' cases are being raised and debunked in minutes. The topic of the thread is completely gone and no matter how much you nurture your thread it just gets ugly. So to defend yourself you start getting ugly and nasty with the 'noisy negativists' who follow each other into these threads and pat each other on the back in stomping down the thoughts of others.

I completely get what you are saying. My beliefs on the problem, the way moderation is done, would be snipped and end up in a ban. Why? Well I can't say because people can't accept the truth...even about the ATS forum site.

It happens everywhere by the way...
edit on 24-1-2015 by noeltrotsky because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 09:14 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

As I've repeated many times on ATS, the UFO folk are preparing us for the unbearable truth that we are not alone in the universe. The strategy they are using is plain. They have created themselves into a web of mythology that everybody knows about, but none can prove. (A myth, for those that not know the true meaning of the word, may or may not be true, it may or may not be created out of whole cloth or contain just enough elements of facts to draw attention itself but yet never be definitely proven or disproven.)

Beyond that public face of the UFOs there has got to be direct contact and cooperation with governmental agencies that, basically, rule the important aspects of the world. Because here too, is a web of mythology that those same agencies have cleverly created to hide some of the real business in which they are actively engaged. Who in their right mind can believe that the US government has never gotten to the bottom of the UFO mystery after over half a century? The governments must perpetuate their own mythology of denial and misinformation because they are part of the plan. They nicely have the resources, agents and agencies to help keep the perceptions of the public on track to where they are desired to go.

The public is purposely left to wallow in its own ignorance, phony info, wild conjectures and a multitude of grand schemes of what it is all about, and so it does. All is done according to the rules of myth making. It is what both sides, the ETs and the alphabet agencies have connived separately if not in unison.

Behind the scenes strong efforts are put into motions that mandates that any decent, space-faring entity would deem for us as a globe. These things, however, are not part of the big myth but are concrete schemes from our secret governments to bring us into shape as worthy of our being. It is not like they had a choice in these critical moves.

So it is not just the ETs that give conflicting data on who and what they are, it is everybody, including us. The bigger the myth the better as we forestall and avoid the real truth but yet must ease along toward it. Below the mild mass anxiety of the human race over this issue are the real truths, and I suspect that they will drive many a person and country insane.

posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 11:23 PM
I would be interested in your thread. Go ahead and post it in whatever forum you feel it will fit best.

posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 12:33 AM
a reply to: Night Star

I posted this thread because I'm too 'empathetic' towards controversy
I guess; the fact the subject was UFOs was rather secondary.
(Have you seen the threads recently about how Autistics may actually
have TOO MUCH empathy, not too little?).

I see people whose entire sense of self falls apart if they can't prove
that UFOs don't exist, or that they DO exist and are friendly, or
whatever the fixation is.

My stuff on the topic disagrees with all major models, even partly
with Keel and Vallee, though they are the closest.

I suppose I should post the thread somewhere eventually.. as it ties
in "Faerie Lore" with the "Symbiotic Plasma" theory of UFOs and the
supernatural that I've been working on.

I keep meaning to setup my own blog, then I won't have these
issues of not being comfortable with any of the forums layout.
I'd miss various people however.


posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 03:01 AM
Post it up in A&U please, rather than discuss it here.

ATS is a discussion forum. You are always going to find people who disagree with your viewpoint it who see things a different way.

posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 07:25 AM
From what I have seen in my 10.5 years as an ATS member, the kind of answers you get depend a lot on how you write your opening post. A post written in a defiant manner will attract bad responses, a post written more as a faith based opinion will attract mocking responses, a post presenting your ideas/theories, along with the information/data you used to get to them will have a high probability of getting good answers and turn into a great thread.

My suggestion is to make that thread on the forum that looks the best for the topic, in this case, Aliens & UFOs.

posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 12:05 AM
Post it or don't. But please, don't use the BB&Q forum as a test lab for a theory, or non theory, or even non theoretical marketing test bed...


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