Is gravity Time?

I just had a aha! moment shoot me down if you like. If time slows down as one approaches a singularity, and taking into account Einstein's theory on space time. Is it gravity that causes time? because the time at a place of infinite gravity and mass has a different slower time than someone who is far from this effect. Is this the reason why a photon is time locked, because it hasn't encountered any gravity during its flight, so it hasn't aged?

So someone living on mars, or the moon, where the gravity is a lot less than on earth, would they also find that they would age less?. I know its simplistic, but if gravity causes time this might be the effect.

So do gravity waves cause time?, and if they do, measuring gravity waves, would be as difficult as trying to measure a handful of time.

a reply to: anonentity

Yes.

And it won't matter the analogy.

Time will continue to progress to entropy based on where you start.



Cheerrs

a reply to: anonentity

No. Time is a dimension identical to the three we experience as space. Gravity compresses spacetime - the space dialates just like time does.

Gravity doesn't cause time, but it has an effect on time.

originally posted by: lecoder
a reply to: anonentity

No. Time is a dimension identical to the three we experience as space. Gravity compresses spacetime - the space dialates just like time does.

But if their is no gravity, their is no space-time. To compress. ergo their is no time?.

Interesting question.

It might explain the effect that insects seem to be 'time shrunk' ie. for them time goes much slower in which they have ample time to react to and evade attempts to kill them.

Gravity is related to the size of the planet that it eminates from and for species native to that planet it is a constant. prolonged long term exposure to a different gravity might cause the body's physiology to compensate for the difference in overall muscle use and energy consumption by basically wearing out less quickly than a body in it's normal gravity would.

Similar to the insect time shrink phenomenon human beings might age significantly slower after generations of living on a much larger planet than earth but those on smaller than the earth planets would be effectively 'time shrunk' with no loss of life expectancy, they would be beings of great height and incredible speed and agility with insect like reactions and calculative abilities similar in speed to machines. however.

The ones on the larger planets would be able to not only outlive them but snap them like twigs.

So we have that to look forward to.

a reply to: anonentity

Let''s see if I can help out here.

Time is a dimension, gravity is a force.

originally posted by: anonentity
I just had a aha! moment shoot me down if you like. If time slows down as one approaches a singularity, and taking into account Einstein's theory on space time. Is it gravity that causes time? because the time at a place of infinite gravity and mass has a different slower time than someone who is far from this effect. Is this the reason why a photon is time locked, because it hasn't encountered any gravity during its flight, so it hasn't aged?

So someone living on mars, or the moon, where the gravity is a lot less than on earth, would they also find that they would age less?. I know its simplistic, but if gravity causes time this might be the effect.

So do gravity waves cause time?, and if they do, measuring gravity waves, would be as difficult as trying to measure a handful of time.

It's an interesting concept, I guess entropy, or the even soup of particles/energy spread out over the entire universe would not create gravity, it would be a like a null space, therefore maybe time would stop? It would certainly appear that way since all frames of reference would be identical. Re gravity waves, the only way I know of to measure gravity waves is via temporal proxy and that requires monopoles ;-) At this point we do not have the ability or the technology to even attempt to build XYZ axis light year sized interferometers (that of course would take more than a year to tell you if there was a gravity wave passing that was smaller than a light year).

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: anonentity

Without being an expert, I have to approach your question with some clarity using already known observation, by a very simple research and explanation here.

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Excerpted from above:
On Mars, where gravity is about one-third that of earth, the gravitational forces acting on astronauts' bodies would be much lower, causing bones to decrease in mass and density.[4]

Now do gravity waves cause time? wow, you had me thinking, first I had to think, where do photons come from (various sources) I also know that light bends or rather changes around massive objects, ie planets...hmmm so time and gravity are two completely different things from my understanding, but I did know from old science and physics that there is cause and effect of one on the other...

Gravity's efect on time confirmed

Great thread though! I might learn a few things here !

a reply to: CJCrawley

It appears that time cannot exist without gravity, We know that gravity cannot exist without time. So they might be the same thing. Take the Mars analogy, it can take four to twenty minutes depending where Mars is in relationship to the Earth, for a radio wave traveling at the speed of light to reach us. But if their was a time dilation effect it wouldn't show up, because the speed of light is constant. If that's the case one couldn't tell if their was a time dilation effect. So Mars time could be a lot faster than earth because of its mass.

originally posted by: anonentity
So Mars time could be a lot faster than earth because of its mass.

If by "a lot" you mean a few parts per million.

There`s no such thing as gravity.

There is only magnetic force. Magnetic force has long been thought to be the cause of *Gravity*. It is after all the thing that holds all mass together in geometic designs. Which forms order. Time is only a measurement of motion. So time won`t change because well. It is only based on the measurement of motion.

The Earth is spinning around the Sun, And the sun is spinning around the milkyway.

The milkyway is move about in space. So even if you wanted to make a time machine. There is zero possiblity for it to work. You can`t go forwards or backwards in time. That`s like saying you can rewind the whole universe, and somehow fly from open space where you are clinging to the earth right now and somehow teleporting to where the earth is orbiting an unfathomable distance away.

You can only speed up mass or slow down mass within a small area using technology.

Gravity does not exist, It does not cause time. If gravity was real and was the cause of time. Then flying off into deep space where there is little gravity will in theory slowdown time to a near standstill.

But the truth is you would actually be flying through space at an insain speed. there would be no slowing down and time would be impossible to tell unless you had a clock or something to gauge time. With no sun orbiting it would be kinda hard.


And mass does not slow down when it reaches a black hole it speeds up.

And then is ripped apart and put together reguardless of magnetic attraction and repulsion. It`s just kinda slamed all together and then you get a particle that has a dysfunctional energy grid.

All physical mass has an energy grid. That is how potencial energy is able to leek out of mass in order to become kenetic.

Vibration is kenetic in nature. SO even solid mass is releasing kenetic energy. That releasing of kenetic energy has harmonizing qualities.


Mass harmonizes and can attract similar mass releasing kenetic magnetic frequencies or it can repluse it. Mass works like an machine.

Basically black holes churn out mass that takes up space. Electrons just weave passed these particles and the presence of these particles applies pressure on mass allowing mass to hold its shape. It also slows down mass because it is like an atmosphere without a kenetic nature. It is what sets the speed on light and many other things because of mass velocity and squared force resistance. Where velocity is met by force resistance from oncoming particles. Even if Dark energy can`t interact with mass in many ways, does not mean it also doesn`t get in the way. Because it does. it`s constantly flowing around us and it is what creates space within a particle.

Nice thread!!

I think you made one mistake. That being that gravity doesn't effect light and it does. Gravitational lensing is how we measure dark matter and such.....


That said, I love the thought. That's why it looks Iike "time space" is one unit. That's why light does all go the same speed. It just wouldn't be because of a lack of gravitational friction. It would be because (maybe :p) light was actually a manifestation of gravity/time or "gravityme" [(TM) please message me for an address for my royalty checks :p] . Because light isn't just visual light. It's the energy givin off by gravityme's reaction to matter.

Ok I'm done ranting :p.... Gotta love the posts that make ya think!

a reply to: anonentity

You make a great point. But one question I ask to everyone, why is it that during a "crisis" or "harmful" event, time seems to slow down, as if allowing your brain or conciousness to absorb all incoming data as imminent value as compared to jsut walking down the street?

Example, when I was 7 or 8 I was on a trampolene with two of my cousins. they were both years older and much heavier than I. They decided to "double bounce" me as I came down and I flew off, and I seemed to be atleast 15 feet off the ground and flying off at an angle which was surely to land me right on the dirt. This moment only lasted a few seconds but I rememeber very clearly looking at their faces in the air, turning towards the ground and shifting my body to land safely as not to harm me. I only had a sprained wrist, but it hurt like hell. But It seemed as if I were in the air for 30 seconds and was able to react so fast to what was happening when I least suspected it. What causes time within the brain to slow down and remember so clearly these types of events?

There are so many examples that nearly every person can recall that time slows down during certain key moments in their lives, remembering such fine details and being able to do the improbable when as great meaning or moknumental experience lies beneath? It's almost time and space defying.

originally posted by: Entreri06

Nice thread!!

I think you made one mistake. That being that gravity doesn't effect light and it does. Gravitational lensing is how we measure dark matter and such.....


That said, I love the thought. That's why it looks Iike "time space" is one unit. That's why light does all go the same speed. It just wouldn't be because of a lack of gravitational friction. It would be because (maybe :p) light was actually a manifestation of gravity/time or "gravityme" [(TM) please message me for an address for my royalty checks :p] . Because light isn't just visual light. It's the energy givin off by gravityme's reaction to matter.

Ok I'm done ranting :p.... Gotta love the posts that make ya think!

Thanks I didn't mean to suggest that gravity didn't effect light, just that if it did it wouldn't be by much. But where the light is affected by gravity, why not substitute the word "Gravity" for "Time dilations instead" and see what happens. Because time is relative to the spatial position of where the observation is made. Any time difference would be observed as biological speed differences of all the chemical stuff that makes up life. Which in the Mars analogy, might mean that the evolution of life on the planet is done and dusted, and any self aware beings should have beaten the game when we were still chimps.

originally posted by: iDope
a reply to: anonentity

You make a great point. But one question I ask to everyone, why is it that during a "crisis" or "harmful" event, time seems to slow down, as if allowing your brain or conciousness to absorb all incoming data as imminent value as compared to jsut walking down the street?

Example, when I was 7 or 8 I was on a trampolene with two of my cousins. they were both years older and much heavier than I. They decided to "double bounce" me as I came down and I flew off, and I seemed to be atleast 15 feet off the ground and flying off at an angle which was surely to land me right on the dirt. This moment only lasted a few seconds but I rememeber very clearly looking at their faces in the air, turning towards the ground and shifting my body to land safely as not to harm me. I only had a sprained wrist, but it hurt like hell. But It seemed as if I were in the air for 30 seconds and was able to react so fast to what was happening when I least suspected it. What causes time within the brain to slow down and remember so clearly these types of events?

There are so many examples that nearly every person can recall that time slows down during certain key moments in their lives, remembering such fine details and being able to do the improbable when as great meaning or moknumental experience lies beneath? It's almost time and space defying.

Our brain is hands down the most powerful computer on the planet. Your brain is capable of making trillions of calculations a second. No real suprise to me it can process information far faster then we process out normal lives. Our brain uses a large portion of it's power restricting our bodies. You ae about 4 times stinger then you think, it's just that your ligaments would rip if you used all of your strength. So your brain puts an inhibitor on you. The whole mom lifts a car off her kid thing is a good example. I'm sure your brain is kinda the same.

a reply to: anonentity

No.

originally posted by: AnuTyr
There`s no such thing as gravity.

There is only magnetic force. Magnetic force has long been thought to be the cause of *Gravity*. It is after all the thing that holds all mass together in geometic designs. Which forms order.

I admit some of my physics textbooks aren't brand new, but I didn't know they were this far out-of-date. They don't say anything about "magnetic force has long been thought to be the cause of *Gravity*", should I trade them in for some new ones?

Gravity is not time, but they are related.

a reply to: anonentity

Good point. Some another ideas to throw into your pot.
time is relative, meaning at one location it moves faster than at another. How many times have you been on a escalator and felt it was moving and realised you are going no where. What caused that?

a reply to: anonentity

Well , what is gravity?

Now if you resist the urge to transform it into Newton, you see it really is an acceleration. Relative acceleration, to the mass of the moving object, or the two masses gravitating.
What is time? Relative to speed. The closer you come to move in lightspeed the closer time approaches zero movement. Why ? Because the formula says so v=a*t. t=v/a, the closer the speed is to lightyears, the closer your acceleration has to go towards zero, ergo the time is approaching 0. Could go back now and say the speed v=g*t, what would we get? Nothing,or t=g*t/a =>0=g/a, can't do that in maths... Just wanted to prove my point and have no math-honour...