Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

a reply to: buster2010

Everyone should have that right not just one group of people.

Where do I say only one group of people should have guns? You really need to read the posts you are responding to, even if they contain the word "Jew." You get irrational when you see that word, which is a pity coming from someone as otherwise intelligent as yourself.

a reply to: DJW001
Arming everybody does not help decrease violence its the very opposite. Its a stupid argument.

a reply to: buster2010

Everyone should have that right not just one group of people.

Where do I say only one group of people should have guns? You really need to read the posts you are responding to, even if they contain the word "Jew." You get irrational when you see that word, which is a pity coming from someone as otherwise intelligent as yourself.

Now I know you're talking bollocks!

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: DJW001

Again, it didn't target "just Jews" but also French soldiers, several of which were of North African Islamic descent.

Those soldiers were killed because they were trying to protect Jews. They were not the primary target.

At a cash point or buying a motorbike? The soldiers attacked had nothing to do with protecting any Jews, you're making crap up now to try and justify your weak point.

From your link:

11 March: paratrooper in Toulouse[edit]
On 11 March, Master Sergeant Imad Ibn-Ziaten, aged 30, an off-duty paratrooper in the 1st Parachute Logistics Regiment (1er Régiment du train parachutiste) was killed when he was shot in the head at point-blank range outside a gym in Toulouse.[3][4] At the time Ibn-Ziaten was waiting to meet someone who had claimed to be interested in buying a motorcycle from him, and it is suspected that the supposed buyer attacked him instead.[4] The perpetrator was described as wearing a helmet and riding a motorcycle.[33]

The family of Ibn-Ziaten subsequently buried him in their hometown of M'diq, Morocco.[34]

15 March: three paratroopers in Montauban[edit]
On Thursday, 15 March, at around 14:00, two uniformed soldiers were killed and a third was seriously injured outside a shopping centre in Montauban, around 50 km north of Toulouse, while withdrawing money from a cash machine. They were all from the 17th Parachute Engineer Regiment (17e Régiment du génie parachutiste), whose barracks are close to the town. Corporal Abel Chennouf, 24, and Private Mohamed Legouad, 23, both of North African origin, were killed. Corporal Loïc Liber, 28, from Guadeloupe, was left in a coma. The security cameras showed the killer on a powerful moped and wearing a black helmet. The killer reportedly pushed aside an elderly woman, who was waiting to withdraw money from the cash machine, while taking aim.[4][35][36]

Give over...

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: DJW001
The main victims in France were cartooonists not Jews, why has this tragedy been hijacked by this agenda.
These terrorists killed Muslims, Jews, and journalists. Nobody was safe.

The Jews killed in 2012 were not cartoonists. The Rabbi is not claiming that Jews should be above the law, or that the rest of the populace should be disarmed. He is just saying that unfortunately, Jews need to take steps to defend themselves. Muslims and gays should probably do so too, but the Chief Rabbi doesn't speak for them, does he?

Nice way to leave out the French soldiers that were killed also. As it said right in the op.

One of Europe’s most prominent Jewish organizations is petitioning the European Union to pass new legislation that would permit Jewish community members to carry guns “for the essential protection of their communities,” according to a letter obtained by the Washington Free Beacon. The European Jewish Association (EJA), which represents Jewish communities across Europe, says that gun license laws must be altered following a string of deadly attacks on Jews in France and other European countries, where anti-Semitism has been growing at an alarming rate.

He wants laws changed to fit what he wants for Jews not for everyone. So he thinks Jews should have special privilege above everyone else.

a reply to: infolurker

Thats a biggy one for the UK because until we had mass immigration and brought people here who naturally carried knives we had hardly any knife crime and certainly little gun crime. In fact if you hurt a Brittish Bobby you knew you were in for a hard time from the public as well as the bobby's mates.

However we are where we are and my son had a major shock only last ~Monday, when he had to go to a eviction in his city (part of his job is to void a property. He watched as knives, needles and gun were carried away by the police - and these were just druggies who if you say them in the street you wouldn't look twice at. They only lived around the corner from him (of what he thought was a nicer area in the city). He was honetly shocked. That's the effect of guns on ordinary people here and he's no pansy being a big strong healthy male who can handle himself.

We aren't culturally as free with arms and haven't been for years - then it was more swords. However the public are slowly being moved into the present century and its not a kicking and screaming move, I expect manmy would feel safer - not that would be a more cameron has not thought would happen as he hoped to use all the current mayhem to bring in more stricter laws. So he may suddenly feel yet again he has misjudged the public, because he knows literally nothing about them.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: DJW001
Arming everybody does not help decrease violence its the very opposite. Its a stupid argument.

I'm not saying everyone should be armed! I'm just pointing out that:

1) It is reasonable for a Rabbi to suggest that Jews in Europe be armed for their own defense
2) This does not preclude others from also being armed
3) Therefore, this is not an appeal to be "above the law."

What is sad is that so many people are trying to twist this into something that makes Jews look bad.

a reply to: DJW001

In that vein, though, Jews can already "be armed" under existing law. Nothing needs to change.

This call by the Rabbi does certainly seem like they are asking for special status.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: buster2010

You still have not given a reason as to why people of one faith should be above the law. You can whine antisemitism all you want but the fact is that other people from other races and religions face just as much crap as the Jews do. Where is the call for them to be above the law?

Funny how you take a statement by a Jewish leader urging his co-religionists to take steps to defend themselves and twist it into something that makes it appear to discriminate against others. Muslims can have guns too... and the bloody events of the past week prove that they have more and deadlier arms than the Jews already.

When he call for just Jews alone to have that right then he is discriminating against others.

a reply to: stumason

Okay, I was posting from memory without reviewing the facts first. Yes, some of the killings seemed to be anti-French colonial as well as Anti-Semitic.

a reply to: DJW001

If your are not saying only Jews should be armed, then you are saying everybody should be armed. Which solves nothing.
It's not making Jews look bad, it's this particular idiotic rabi.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: buster2010

You still have not given a reason as to why people of one faith should be above the law. You can whine antisemitism all you want but the fact is that other people from other races and religions face just as much crap as the Jews do. Where is the call for them to be above the law?

Funny how you take a statement by a Jewish leader urging his co-religionists to take steps to defend themselves and twist it into something that makes it appear to discriminate against others. Muslims can have guns too... and the bloody events of the past week prove that they have more and deadlier arms than the Jews already.

When he call for just Jews alone to have that right then he is discriminating against others.

He is only advocating for the Jews. Others have the right to make a similar petition. Would you be freaking out if the head of a GLBT organization asked the EU to ease licensing requirements for gays?

I thought anti semantic was no longer used as term for bigotry against Jews doesn't it include non Jewish people?

a reply to: DJW001

Yes no minority group should have special licence to carry arms, it's absolutely ridiculous!

a reply to: stumason

No, im actually aware of the varying European gun laws and the availability of firearms with permits. The comments about butter knives was meant to be a tongue in cheek exaggeration to make a point that Jews should not be given special status in regard to European gun laws, it was not meant to be a literal point. I hate to disappoint you but not all Americans fall under the wing of willful Ignorance. Some of us engage I'm due diligence prior to flapping our jaws.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: buster2010

You still have not given a reason as to why people of one faith should be above the law. You can whine antisemitism all you want but the fact is that other people from other races and religions face just as much crap as the Jews do. Where is the call for them to be above the law?

Funny how you take a statement by a Jewish leader urging his co-religionists to take steps to defend themselves and twist it into something that makes it appear to discriminate against others. Muslims can have guns too... and the bloody events of the past week prove that they have more and deadlier arms than the Jews already.

When he call for just Jews alone to have that right then he is discriminating against others.

Here is the text of the actual letter:

freebeacon.com...

Where does he call for all other communities to be disarmed?

a reply to: peter vlar

Fair enough - but it was a point worth making for the sake of your compatriots who seem to think we are born into bubble-wrap and kept that way until death.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: stumason

Okay, I was posting from memory without reviewing the facts first. Yes, some of the killings seemed to be anti-French colonial as well as Anti-Semitic.

Oh, please - anti-French colonial? WTF?

The guy that carried out those attacks had a history of Islamic extremism going back to Prison, had familial connections into Al-Qaeda, had travelled to Pakistan and Afghanistan for training, not to mention mental issues. It had nothing to do with anti-French colonialism and more to do with attacking French soldiers in revenge for actions in Afghanistan.

In fact, his first attacks were against the French Army - in response to French military activity in Afghan - once again, the attack on the Jews seemed to have been a secondary target.

It certainly seems like you've tried to push an agenda, been caught with your pants down and are now scrabbling around for justification.

a reply to: stumason

It certainly seems like you've tried to push an agenda, been caught with your pants down and are now scrabbling around for justification.

And it certainly seems like you are attacking anyone who tries to point out that Anti-Semitism is an issue.

a reply to: DJW001

Nope, just you because you've now tried to paint not one but two separate attacks in France as "against Jews and those protecting Jews" when they were anything but, hence why I suspect you have an agenda.

These weren't "anti-Semitic" attacks, these were Islamic extremists attacking our way of life - all of us, not just Jews.