Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

a reply to: projectbane

Feed your hate with fear. I'll protect myself from extremists and people who just want to hurt me. What you do in life, I can care less about. Don't start none and there won't be none. I'm not a coward, I'm a realist.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: buster2010

The Fact that most European Countries do not allow their Citizens to Conceal Carry Firearms for Personal Protection is one of the Main reasons for the numerous Terrorist Acts being committed their recently . Regardless of Religious Faith , that alone is just so plain Wrong . I would also surmise that the main reasoning behind that decision is a Fear of Armed Insurrection against the Corrupt European Governments that are presently Destroying their Peoples Unique Culture with Immigration policies that are destroying the very fabric of their Cultural Identity as Independent Nations .

So carrying guns will prevent gun violence?




Certainly works wonders in the states doesn't it?

Well , it does seem to Work OK in the State of Texas..................

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I would also surmise that the main reasoning behind that decision is a Fear of Armed Insurrection against the Corrupt European Governments that are presently Destroying their Peoples Unique Culture with Immigration policies that are destroying the very fabric of their Cultural Identity as Independent Nations .

islamisation er I mean multiculturalism has done wonders for Europe!

a reply to: rupertg

Shigawire concealed in their curls

from Dune the Novel - Frank Herbert

Shigawire was only grown on Salusa Secundus and III Delta Kaising. It was noted for its extreme tensile strength.

YESSSS! I FEEL IT! the HATE is strong in this thread! let it flow through you! embrace it!

JEWS! MUSLIMS! ABORIGINAL AUSTRALIANS!

but seriously. of course the main rabbi in Europe is going to suggest these types of agendas and they probably won't happen so errrrybody relax

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: WarminIndy

So now you have a problem with Jews needing to defend themselves?

People don't have a problem with Jews defending themselves they have a problem with Jews being above a law that everyone else has to abide by.

Maybe if in 1935 they were allowed to defend themselves we might not have had WWII.

There was no law in 1935 to keep Jews from owning guns in Germany that law didn't start until 1938.

But hey, you just keep signing that check for the Muslims since you have all the time and resources to keep defending their temper tantrums. What a good parent you are.

This is simply an ignorant statement.

Let me see, are Jews considered equal in the eyes of British people? No, because every time I hear from a British person about Jews, they always attach "Evil Zionists" to them and that keeps them a separate group, even today in England and not one time in history has England apologized to the Jews.

But Spain apologized to the descendents of the Sephardi that they expelled 200 years AFTER England. Did England? Nope, the Jews just aren't worth apologizing to and William Shakespeare gets by with the name Shylock and the Brits think the Jews are requiring "The pound of flesh" from you. The fact that you keep them separate just show exactly how you have resisted their full assimilation.

None of what you posted has anything to do with what I posted. the fact is no one should be above the law simply because of their faith. If this statement is too hard for you to understand please say so.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: WarminIndy

So now you have a problem with Jews needing to defend themselves?

People don't have a problem with Jews defending themselves they have a problem with Jews being above a law that everyone else has to abide by.

Maybe if in 1935 they were allowed to defend themselves we might not have had WWII.

There was no law in 1935 to keep Jews from owning guns in Germany that law didn't start until 1938.

But hey, you just keep signing that check for the Muslims since you have all the time and resources to keep defending their temper tantrums. What a good parent you are.

This is simply an ignorant statement.

Let me see, are Jews considered equal in the eyes of British people? No, because every time I hear from a British person about Jews, they always attach "Evil Zionists" to them and that keeps them a separate group, even today in England and not one time in history has England apologized to the Jews.

But Spain apologized to the descendents of the Sephardi that they expelled 200 years AFTER England. Did England? Nope, the Jews just aren't worth apologizing to and William Shakespeare gets by with the name Shylock and the Brits think the Jews are requiring "The pound of flesh" from you. The fact that you keep them separate just show exactly how you have resisted their full assimilation.

None of what you posted has anything to do with what I posted. the fact is no one should be above the law simply because of their faith. If this statement is too hard for you to understand please say so.

Please go back to the OP, it says "victimization". Unless people recognize that they make the Jews the scapegoats and then the Jews are forced to defend themselves, you people flip out and don't like it.

Do you think there is an evil Zionist Jewish Illuminati agenda to shylock you and take the pound of flesh out of you? It's been going on since the 12 century and this is just another continual example of Jew bashing, please reread the OP and tell me why he is so leery of Jews, victimization and allowing Jews to have guns.

He is worried the Jews will shoot someone if they say something negative about Israel...and then you would have us believe he doesn't mean to be anti-Semitic and when I call it out, you defenders come out of the woodwork, because you have to keep the stereotypical image of Jewry so you can have another conspiracy theory to talk about. But the real conspirators, you help them by covering up for their propaganda spewing filth, and then don't understand why the Muslims bite the hands that feed them.

Keep on, this propaganda is costing Europe its culture, language, religion, different ethnicities and what makes each country special. But hey, if that's what you want, then by all means you can have it. The Jews didn't Judaicize Europe, but the Muslims sure are Islamicizing.

Where is there another Sigismund of Hungary? Where is there another Charles Martel? Those men took the threat seriously but here you are jumping on me for apparently not understanding when it was the OP who cried out "victimization" and "they will shoot someone over Israel".

Maybe the Jews should be given guns, because there are two kinds of ways to persecute, one is by exclusion and one is by outright denial of what has happened to them.

originally posted by: WarminIndy

Please go back to the OP, it says "victimization". Unless people recognize that they make the Jews the scapegoats and then the Jews are forced to defend themselves, you people flip out and don't like it.

What the OP says is Victimhood

noun 1.
a person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency:
"a victim of an automobile accident."

2.
a person who is deceived or cheated, as by his or her own emotions or ignorance, by the dishonesty of others, or by some impersonal agency:
"a victim of misplaced confidence; the victim of a swindler; a victim of an optical illusion."

3.
a person or animal sacrificed or regarded as sacrificed:
"war victims."

4.
a living creature sacrificed in religious rites.

I think that definitions 3&4 can be entirely ruled out from the get go and #2 is highly unlikely as the entirety of the Jewish people haven't been swindled so #1 is the most logical choice here. As someone who seems concerned with the victimization of Jews in past history I would think this jives with you seeing as how it is actually an appropriate viewpoint based on crimes committed against the Jews on grand scales.

Now comparing this with victimization, the current state of affairs just doesn't follow the definition of victimization. However, the reaction of the Jewish leader calling for special legislation IS actually entirely codified under SELF-victimization. This is where someone, or in this case a group of people,

is the fabrication of victimhood for a variety of reasons such as to justify abuse of others, to manipulate others, a coping strategy or attention seeking.

What the proposed legislation is doing is exactly that and I honestly believe that the self-victimization moniker is more apt than victimhood. As I believe this is the case and based on the past history you are so fond of, its not at all out of the question that armed jews would utilize and embrace self-victimization with the end result being they would be "defending themselves" against some threat with the opposing party wounded or deceased. One has to at the very least contemplate this as a potential or possible scenario and not simply discount it. Time and time again, the Jewish people both individually and under the guidance of the government of Israel, have embarked on revenge killings. The potential for this to occur again HAS to be considered if you are going to arm them.

Do you think there is an evil Zionist Jewish Illuminati agenda to shylock you and take the pound of flesh out of you? It's been going on since the 12 century and this is just another continual example of Jew bashing, please reread the OP and tell me why he is so leery of Jews, victimization and allowing Jews to have guns.

So yes, I am totally against these whackos being armed while the rest of us are not.[/u]

However, I do not see why one group of religious supremacists should be given rights that others do not have. Religion is irrelevant in this and may other cases and should NOT be an issue in determining the law of the land, which should apply to all in equal measure irrespective of their colour, ethnic background or religion followed. Singling out one group as somehow being "special" only furthers resentment from the rest of society who are not given the same considerations or special treatment. Of course, that too can be twisted to be used as "proof" of anti-semitism, such is the warped logic usually in play.

It just isn't an anti-Jewish bias that issues the concern here. It is the special status and treatment expected for one party while the rest are left with butter knives. If you think that the Christians and Atheists aren't on the radar of Islamic groups you're kidding yourselves. Certianly Jews are a bigger and more immediate target but any western, non Muslim is eventually an open target asthey feel their mandate is to spread Islam worldwide.

He is worried the Jews will shoot someone if they say something negative about Israel...and then you would have us believe he doesn't mean to be anti-Semitic and when I call it out, you defenders come out of the woodwork, because you have to keep the stereotypical image of Jewry so you can have another conspiracy theory to talk about. But the real conspirators, you help them by covering up for their propaganda spewing filth, and then don't understand why the Muslims bite the hands that feed them.

Keep on, this propaganda is costing Europe its culture, language, religion, different ethnicities and what makes each country special. But hey, if that's what you want, then by all means you can have it. The Jews didn't Judaicize Europe, but the Muslims sure are Islamicizing.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but I find it rather ironic that in light of you railing against anti-Semitic attitudes, you yourself are actually making anti-muslim statements as above. And in all honesty, depending on where the particular muslims are from, your words could be construed as anti-Semitic as Semitic describes people of a certain background and geographical history, not a Jewish only epithet.

Where is there another Sigismund of Hungary? Where is there another Charles Martel? Those men took the threat seriously but here you are jumping on me for apparently not understanding when it was the OP who cried out "victimization" and "they will shoot someone over Israel".

On one hand you are rallying for things of the past and the other ignoring or denying even the recent past. The recent past to which I refer is the [enchant for some Jews, either of their own volition or at the behest of the Israeli government, to engage in acts of revenge and campaigns of terror. Why is it alright to excuse their atrocities and not those of others? Either an act is reprehensible or it is not, it cant be so for one group and acceptable and rationalized for another.

Maybe the Jews should be given guns, because there are two kinds of ways to persecute, one is by exclusion and one is by outright denial of what has happened to them.

Sure, give them access to concealed weapons. But give all citizens that right. No special status should be doled out for anyone. No matter the past atrocities. They are just that, in the past.

Who is denying what has happened to the Jewish people? What is actually being said is that we have to stop being beholden to history and instead deal with what is going on currently based on the current socio-political climate, not what happened 300 years ago, not 75 years ago or 1300 years ago since you're calling on the ghost of Charles Martel.

Neither are they being excluded from anything. In fact this proposed legislation would give them special status while excluding Christians, atheists, budhists, hindus and on and on