Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

originally posted by: SheopleNation

About all I hear from you is more insults, yet nothing to back up your drivel. Did you forget what your friends said in that video, you know the ones who butchered that innocent Man that day? Here, let me help you out Mr. Proud Englishman.........

~$heopleNation

Just a couple questions, how does having a handgun or even an effing rpg, prevent you from being run over out of the blue with no warning whatsoever?

How does having a handgun prevent a bomb from blowing up in your face, when you have no clue that there is a bomb there?

The most funded military in the world couldnt stop a gang of saudi sheep herders, hiding in caves in Afghanistan from flying planes into the twin towers(apparently). So what makes you think a pea shooter will prevent a surprise attack of any sort?

Did handguns prevent the Boston Bombing?
Did they prevent the 1993 attack on the Twin Towers?
Did they stop the una-bomber blowing people up?
Did they prevent the Oklahoma bombing?

Seriously the argument is pretty flawed. But hey lets not let reality get in the way of an agenda.

The argument just doesnt fit reality.

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The article is about Jews who live in Europe not Jews living in Muslim countries. If people in these European nations are not allowed to carry firearms then the Jews should have to abide by the same laws. Simply saying ok you are of this faith so you are above our laws is moronic.

well explain to us all just how the Islamics have commandeered sections of cities or towns to be exclusicely ruled by Sharia Law with their own Muslim enforcement... i.e. effectively ceding from that nation/county/district the Law-of-the-Land which all other citizens are protected by and have allegiance to...

Sharia ONLY Zones: Are a blatant case of a foreign faith removing the sovereign powers of that host nations Laws & society framework

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Something blatant is very obvious and offensive...

having the most likely targeted and chosen victims being prepared for that renegade zealot with a hatchet shouting Akbar something without handy, moderately priced protection is uncivilized too

originally posted by: St Udio

originally posted by: ..........[/post]



The article is about Jews who live in Europe not Jews living in Muslim countries. If people in these European nations are not allowed to carry firearms then the Jews should have to abide by the same laws. Simply saying ok you are of this faith so you are above our laws is moronic.

 

well explain to us all just how the Islamics have commandeered sections of cities or towns to be exclusicely ruled by Sharia Law with their own Muslim enforcement... i.e. effectively ceding from that nation/county/district the Law-of-the-Land which all other citizens are protected by and have allegiance to...

Sharia ONLY Zones: Are a blatant case of a foreign faith removing the sovereign powers of that host nations Laws & society framework

Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
blatant
Something blatant is very obvious and offensive...

having the most likely targeted and chosen victims being prepared for that renegade zealot with a hatchet shouting Akbar something without handy, moderately priced protection is uncivilized too

St. Udio,

They will only complain when they start paying jizyah tax, not allowed to eat bacon and their bars and pubs closed because they can't have alcohol.

But they complain now about the bedroom tax, imagine when they are forced to pay jizyah, and then if they don't convert, Shariah law says that they can't even look a Muslim in the eye because Muslims are superior and if a Muslim is walking down the street, you actually have to remove yourself from his way.

Where does this information come from?

Reliance of the Traveler, you want to read something ridiculous, that is their compendium of Shariah law, but hey, let them have fun with their new friends.

originally posted by: Britguy


The whole idea behind this thread was to address one segment, an incredibly small one, from being able to carry weapons for self protection, as opposed to the wider community. Sadly it seems to have been turned into "Brits live in fear and have no rights" mud-fest from across the pond where, if we believe some of these comments, everyone is armed and alert, vigilant and gung-ho and ready to fight off the Muslim hordes ready to descend on them at any moment (according to their best friend Mr. Nutty-yahoo, that nice Jewish Gentleman from the only democracy in the Middle East).

Well if you bothered to read my first post, you would understand that I don't support special treatment for any group of people. However I do support anyone owning a firearm if they choose to. Your frustrations with Israel are not my problem. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: OneManArmy

The argument just doesnt fit reality.

Well that is great that you enjoy being a slave, that is your business. I understand misery loves company, but that company does not always return the affection. Don't like it, too bad because you don't write the Laws over here thank god. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: SheopleNation

originally posted by: OneManArmy

The argument just doesnt fit reality.

Well that is great that you enjoy being a slave, that is your business. I understand misery loves company, but that company does not always return the affection. Don't like it, too bad because you don't write the Laws over here thank god. ~$heopleNation

Im not a slave. Your "bit of paper" has a grand daddy "bit of paper".
Lack of gun does not a slave make.
We dont have jackbooted police officers killing innocent children for playing good guys, bad guys.
We dont have cities locked down with door to door searches and curfews.
We dont execute prisoners. And we dont lock people up on island bases for years with no charge, and even when they are found not guilty they still rot in a concentration camp 5 years later.
Oh, and we dont even try to justify torture.

While Im not too happy with the laws here, given the choice, Id rather stay here thanks. Freedom, gotta love it. Whats left of it anyway.

originally posted by: OneManArmy

We dont have jackbooted police officers killing innocent children for playing good guys, bad guys.

No you just have maniacs running innocent and defenseless people over, and then butchering them to death in broad daylight. Sounds very peaceful.

While Im not too happy with the laws here, given the choice, Id rather stay here thanks. Freedom, gotta love it. Whats left of it anyway.

Well that is good, and nobody ever said America was perfect. ~$heopleNation

THE PERSECUTION MUST END & IT WILL ONLY END WHEN ALL NON-JEWS HAVE BEEN ERADICATED!

/sarcastic irony

originally posted by: SheopleNation

originally posted by: OneManArmy

We dont have jackbooted police officers killing innocent children for playing good guys, bad guys.

No you just have maniacs running innocent and defenseless people over, and then butchering them to death in broad daylight. Sounds very peaceful.

Lee Rigbys murder was a one off case with a pair of psychologically damaged individuals, one of them being a prime candidate for intelligence services to approach with a job offer, after he had been tortured in Africa. Apparently he refused, apparently.

You end up having psychopathic individuals on the streets when government cuts to mental health care budgets mean the services are overstretched and cannot cope.
It has nothing to do with guns. And given that environment, do you really want to add a plethora of hardware with which they can carry out their unmedicated delusions with?

While Im not too happy with the laws here, given the choice, Id rather stay here thanks. Freedom, gotta love it. Whats left of it anyway.

Well that is good, and nobody ever said America was perfect. ~$heopleNation

Nowhere is perfect. Thats why we need to be vigilant, and protect our freedoms earned in blood, long before we ever need to start shooting bullets and killing each other. After 12,000 years of "civilisation" you would think we might have figured that out. WW2 was supposed to be the war to end all war, thats why we have the "United" Nations.
Didnt work though did it?
You cant really put a whole bunch of dictators, gangsters and pathological liars into a big pot and expect anything good to ever come out of it.

originally posted by: SheopleNation
No you just have maniacs running innocent and defenseless people over, and then butchering them to death in broad daylight. Sounds very peaceful.

Correction - we just have maniacs running an innocent and defenceless person over, and then butchering them to death in broad daylight.

One person.

Out of 65 million.

Whereas in the good ol' USA, you had 283 incidents of "mass shootings" (where more than 2 people were attacked by a "maniac" with a gun) resulting in hundreds of dead and wounded.....

And this doesn't even include those shot dead by the Police.

People in glass houses and all that....

originally posted by: OneManArmy

Lee Rigbys murder was a one off case with a pair of psychologically damaged individuals, one of them being a prime candidate for intelligence services to approach with a job offer, after he had been tortured in Africa. Apparently he refused, apparently.

Well everything that happens over there is not always reported here, so it's far from just one case. Course mentally deranged immigration policies are what brought that all on. Hey, same thing is going on here.

You end up having psychopathic individuals on the streets when government cuts to mental health care budgets mean the services are overstretched and cannot cope.

I understand, most Socialist butt wiping ends in failure.

It has nothing to do with guns. And given that environment, do you really want to add a plethora of hardware with which they can carry out their unmedicated delusions with?

Criminals will always have access to weapons.

Nowhere is perfect. Thats why we need to be vigilant, and protect our freedoms earned in blood, long before we ever need to start shooting bullets and killing each other. After 12,000 years of "civilisation" you would think we might have figured that out. WW2 was supposed to be the war to end all war, thats why we have the "United" Nations.
Didnt work though did it?

You cant really put a whole bunch of dictators, gangsters and pathological liars into a big pot and expect anything good to ever come out of it.

I agree about the United Nations. One thing that confuses me is how people recognize that a bunch of gangsters and pathological liars rule over them, yet they are happy to give up any tools that would assist them in a possible future resistance. Maybe it's just me though. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: stumason


Correction - we just have maniacs running an innocent and defenceless person over, and then butchering them to death in broad daylight.

One person.

Out of 65 million.

Hey it's the Proud Englishman! Yeah? Well I highly doubt that is the only incident ever to occur. Come on now.

Whereas in the good ol' USA, you had 283 incidents of "mass shootings" (where more than 2 people were attacked by a "maniac" with a gun) resulting in hundreds of dead and wounded....

And this doesn't even include those shot dead by the Police.

People in glass houses and all that....

Obviously you missed the part where I said that America is not perfect? Nobody is suggesting that we do not have problems with violence. The discussion is whether private gun ownership helps or makes it worse, Which is related to the subject of the thread. ~$heopleNation

a reply to: SheopleNation

I realise that we are being pushed into a revolution, all the psy op "truth movement" bull#(new age agenda, disinformation, revolution driver), and the anti muslim propaganda, the gender divide, the race divide, the religious divide the sexuality divide, the wealth divide, the stressful atmosphere of... fear thy neighbour, blame thy neighbour, hate thy neighbour which ultimately leads to kill thy neighbour.

There really has been enough killing and a global financial meltdown and subsequent revolution is the chaos that will be the birth pangs of a globalist dictatorship from which there is no return. The phoenix shall rise out of the ashes. A phoenix so powerful and tyrannical, these petty arguments about whose a slave will be an embarrassment to the meaning of the word.
Can we not get that far please?

The fact is, we are not that different after all.
But when I look at the USA and I see its armed population and then I see the atrocities that are going on and I look at the citizens with their guns and their right to defend from tyranny, while at the same time tyranny incrementally subdues them, then I look at them with their guns and wonder why the hell they keep them when the tyranny that the guns are supposed to protect from is taking over the country.
It doesnt make sense.
Is gun ownership simply to defend ones own property and ones own selfish interests?

Or is it to defend the nation from enemies BOTH foreign and DOMESTIC. Whats up with that?
Where were all the defenders of freedom when posse comitatus was suspended?

originally posted by: SheopleNation
Hey it's the Proud Englishman! Yeah? Well I highly doubt that is the only incident ever to occur. Come on now.

In terms of Islamist extremists (in keeping with the thread topic), yes, it is the only example.

originally posted by: SheopleNation
Obviously you missed the part where I said that America is not perfect? Nobody is suggesting that we do not have problems with violence. The discussion is whether private gun ownership helps or makes it worse, Which is related to the subject of the thread. ~$heopleNation

Well, apparently, it makes it worse. Your murder rate is 4 times ours.

originally posted by: OneManArmy

There really has been enough killing and a global financial meltdown and subsequent revolution is the chaos that will be the birth pangs of a globalist dictatorship from which there is no return. The phoenix shall rise out of the ashes. A phoenix so powerful and tyrannical, these petty arguments about whose a slave will be an embarrassment to the meaning of the word.

LMAO! Yeah I get what you're saying, and I actually agree with you more than you probably realize. People are slaves though, only they are slaves who have it pretty damn good right now.

The fact is, we are not that different after all.

No we are not, I agree. And me personally, I have nothing against your Country. My Family came from England and Germany long ago actually.

But when I look at the USA and I see its armed population and then I see the atrocities that are going on and I look at the citizens with their guns and their right to defend from tyranny, while at the same time tyranny incrementally subdues them, then I look at them with their guns and wonder why the hell they keep them when the tyranny that the guns are supposed to protect from is taking over the country.
It doesnt make sense.
Is gun ownership simply to defend ones own property and ones own selfish interests?

Well yes, other than for sport. I believe that one has a right to be able to defend themselves, as well as their family, from maniacs with hatchets when walking down the street. Now me personally, I don't carry a firearm around because I can take care of myself in my environment, but if I lived in the inner city my attitude would probably change because one can easily become outnumbered very quickly in those unpredictable environments. Lets just say that I am into preventative measures if need be.

Or is it to defend the nation from enemies BOTH foreign and DOMESTIC. Whats up with that?

Yes it is, however suicidal and futile that may be. Unfortunately, stupidity and lack of education has become a plague here in The United States of America, which has caused a lot of division and confusion within the masses.

Where were all the defenders of freedom when posse comitatus was suspended?

Probably smoking dope while watching American Idol and Keeping up with The Kardashians. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: stumason

In terms of Islamist extremists (in keeping with the thread topic), yes, it is the only example.

Well I will have to look into that before I respond further.

Well, apparently, it makes it worse. Your murder rate is 4 times ours.

Well mathematically concerning our population numbers when compared to yours, I should hope so. However the truth of the matter is that over here in the States, The criminals will always have access to firearms. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: SheopleNation
Well I will have to look into that before I respond further.

Please do...

originally posted by: SheopleNation

Well, apparently, it makes it worse. Your murder rate is 4 times ours.

Well mathematically concerning our population numbers when compared to yours, I should hope so. However the truth of the matter is that over here in the States, The criminals will always have access to firearms. ~$heopleNation

No, population has nothing to do with it. As I said earlier in the thread, stats are done on a per 100,000 head of population. The UK has a 1 murder for every 100k people, the USA has 4 per 100k.

a reply to: SheopleNation

However the truth of the matter is that over here in the States, The criminals will always have access to firearms.

Err, exactly - aren't you making the argument for the pro-gun control people?

Take the guns away and the criminals find it harder to buy guns so less people get shot and killed.

Personally, I think its far too late to implement gun control laws in the USA similar to those in Europe - gun ownership is engrained in the American psyche.
But surely you recognise that what you have at present simply isn't working?

Murder rate nearly 5 times that of the UK and far higher than all western European countries - that is a damning indictment of the US.

I understand your Second Amendment and why many view it as sacred and sacrosanct.
But the very fact that your Constitution has Amendments proves that it is not an infallible piece of work and at times it needs to be amended to suit changes within society.

In an earlier post you state;

I think it's pretty pathetic that you wimps don't even allow your own Soldiers to be armed in the streets. Instead they are just left as sitting ducks to be hacked up by extremists. What a brilliant strategy for survival you English have.

Your own soldiers can not legally carry their arms on the streets when off duty - same as the UK.

Secondly, we most definitely are not a nation of 'wimps', not by any stretch.

Brilliant strategy?
I don't know about that, it's certainly not perfect, again, not by any stretch......but the facts show us that countries with gun control laws similar to the UK's ALL have murder rates significantly lower than the US, so I guess it does work a little bit.

Comparing gun control laws between the USA and the UK is apples and pears - one of the fundamental differences between our respective societies - what's right for you isn't always right for us, and vice versa - and this is one of those instances.

We don't want similar gun laws as you, you don't want similar one's to us - I get that.

Why keep trying to turn as many UK related threads into one's surrounding gun control etc?

originally posted by: stumason

Please do...

Well you had an attack on the London Underground that killed 53 people, so how did your ban on firearms prevent that?

Then the Glasgow Airport incident in Scotland because you failed to ban automobiles. Now, nobody was critically injured, but it could have been much worse.

No, population has nothing to do with it.

Still plays a part because we have way more inner cities full of massive poverty.

As I said earlier in the thread, stats are done on a per 100,000 head of population. The UK has a 1 murder for every 100k people, the USA has 4 per 100k.

And it's expected, you're surrounded by the Sea, where we have a border that is connected to international gun and drug smuggling. Which the result is the obvious, way more firearms over here then there is on your Islands. Nobody is disputing that reality.

So what exactly is it that you're arguing with me about anyway? Is it that Great Britain is more peaceful than The United States of America? Well if that is it, the answer is that I agree with you. Only I believe that you guys should still have the right to own firearms.

However the subject of the thread is if Jews should be granted special treatment over the regular population by being allowed to own Firearms? My answer is no, everyone should be allowed to own firearms if they choose so. Well, other than a few reasonable exceptions that are too many to get into. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: Freeborn

Err, exactly - aren't you making the argument for the pro-gun control people?

Take the guns away and the criminals find it harder to buy guns so less people get shot and killed.

Well you are wrong my friend. Listen, I am not going to keep repeating the same things, you guys just don't get it. Criminals will always have guns here, period. If you take them away from the populace, there will just be more victims.

Personally, I think its far too late to implement gun control laws in the USA similar to those in Europe - gun ownership is engrained in the American psyche.

I agree.

But surely you recognise that what you have at present simply isn't working?

A lot of things are not working, and the causes of those things have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with guns. The reason this society is so messed up is a long discussion which is not the subject of this thread.

Murder rate nearly 5 times that of the UK and far higher than all western European countries - that is a damning indictment of the US.

Yes it is, and it's only going to get worse. Not because of guns though.

Secondly, we most definitely are not a nation of 'wimps', not by any stretch.

Stuman called us Americans wimps prior to that response because he said that we need our guns, so I repaid the compliment. Go back and read for yourself. I don't think you guys are wimps though.

We don't want similar gun laws as you,

Well you don't.

you don't want similar one's to us - I get that.

No, I myself do not.

Why keep trying to turn as many UK related threads into one's surrounding gun control etc?

There is no agenda here to do that, I have been trying to direct the discussion back to the topic of the thread. ~$heopleNation