What The Heck happened to writing on paper to get a job?

I need a computer to print a resume. I need a certificate printed out to get job!! I need to get some sort of ID card to prove and get a job!!

You think that is bad. I lose my certificate and can't get a job, Lose my ID card have to pay to renew then get the job(Like I can afford it, having no money at all). If I don't got a freaking computer, I'm not allowed to write a resume using pencil and papers. What The Heck is wrong with today society. Their like screw writing, type out everything!!

When has it become the norm for Schools to tell us to type out everything? We used to write with pencil and paper we can buy cheaply.

Now we have to own a computer no matter what just to send a letter to get a Job.

Once your down and no money, your totally screwed. If your missing all 3.

Have you visited the local library? You can use the computers there for free.

I'd be willing to bet people said the same thing when being able to read because standard or when having a vehicle to get to work became normal. Society and technology are always moving forward and making progress. Those that are unable, or unwilling to move with it will get left behind.

These days a handshake and a gentleman's agreement are not enough for most things. Either to prevent getting screwed by someone with a lot of promises, but no follow through, or because of legal reasons. Remember that works both ways as well. Having all the legal documents in order before you start employment ensures you are covered under employment rights and laws. If there was no documentation there would be nothing stopping an employer from deciding not to pay you and there would be little you could do about it. When i was in charge of hiring for one of my past jobs, we had to make copies of certain documents and keep them on file if we wanted to hire someone. Its was not a choice made by the business, but a legal issue. That documentation ensures the employee is working legally and that all the tax information is correct. The business is held liable for unlawful hiring practices and being neglectful can get a business shut down real quick.

I get where you are coming from and the hoops we are made to jump through do get pretty annoying at times, but they are there for a reason. Keeping a valid ID and any other legal documents that prove you are legally hireable available is your responsibility as a citizen. If you do not have a computer you can always check your local library, or use a friend/family members computer to get through the application process.

Best of luck to you on your job hunt.

a reply to: makemap

Its become the norm nows to go online, post your experience(s)-resume, and fill out-online...the company's application for a job.

If and when they are hiring...they may..MAY get out your app and resume...then may...MAY call you for more info.

The world has changed and pretty much the human face to face interaction is gone...until your'e lucky enough to get an interview, let alone then be considered for a job.

Your local library has free computers and printers for you to use. No need to buy one if you cant afford one. A lot of people go to the library for application sending. Its pretty common and free. And printing is like $.50 cents or so a page.

The bottom line in all this is you have to come up to speed with the modern world. Its how it operates now for the most part.

Good luck to you....MS

I miss the days of getting a job by coming to a verbal agreement sealed by a handshake and a beer.

I teach and have to provide passport, DBS certificate, safeguarding clearance, photo ID, degree and qualification certificates, school qualifications, educational reference, work reference, personal reference, and 2 proof of address in addition to resume and application forms.

I even needed to provide most of those for non teaching jobs.

There are often hundreds of applications for each position, often the position was only advertised as a formality and the job had already been filled internally.

In the UK there are companies, such as Next that ship busloads of workers from Poland with minimal application processes, their excuse is, it is quicker.

Society doesn't seem aimed at providing employment for the mainstream anymore. If there are ways of them doing it cheaper and to their own personal advantage such as employing those that they know won't stir the pot and will sing their praises.

I'm so sorry you're experiencing what you are, from one printerless soul to another.

a reply to: makemap

As Krakatoa stated, use the local library. The internet is your friend, my friend!

Build a kick-ass resume for free here


Finding a job.

Not sure if this will give you hope but...

If I were to receive a CV (resume) in nice hand writing with good content it would impress me more than the generic typed up one. It shows that the writer has the skills that most people have lost.

There's nothing more stale than a typed up CV that begins:

"I am a reliable hard working person who can work off their own initiative." Makes me think, 'if you had initiative you wouldn't be typing generic crap on your CV!!!'. Not the person's fault though - it's our education system, people are coming out of school not knowing how to impress people with their CVs.

Yet another piece of evidence of how our society is crumbling into a sorry pile of excretion.

a reply to: and14263


Couldn't agree with you more ....

There is so much that you can glean about someone by how

they manually put things together.

# type of paper used
# grammar
# spelling
# hand writing (can tell a lot about a person)
# prioritising information
# tone and projection of personality

Many years ago I had a property to let and had written

applications sent to a box number for applicants to rent. When

the applications were received by me the number was

immediately halved as the ones written on scraps of paper and

torn from exercise books etc. went straight in to the bin.


My daughter (who has beautiful handwriting) was once told at an

interview, that they just had to see the writer behind the

application of her letter!!

It's all fun and games till the power goes off.....then we'll be left with a select few that can pick up a pen and use it, and even fewer that know how to spell.



CX.

I think it's bad anyway that handwriting s starting to take second place in schools to IT. Yes I know we live in a modern world, but handwriting is a basic skill that will hopefully outlive any computer.

I seriously worry about the basics that are being left behind at school these days, and one day, if the power goes out, we'll be left with asking the elders for help. I can see people in the future picking up a pen for the first time as if it were their first time with chopsticks.

Many jobs need handwriting too, all of the jobs I've worked have needed legible handwriting as a requirement. Maybe not so much the CV, but we did have do a handwritten covering letter too.

I'll leave you with the passage that you have to write out for the World Handwriting Contest, I love this piece of writing...

HANDWRITING: that action of emotion, of thought, and of decision that has recorded the history of mankind, revealed the genius of invention, and disclosed the inmost depths of the soulful heart. It gives ideas tangible form through letters, pictographs, symbols, and signs. Handwriting forges a bond across millennia and generations that not only ties us to the thoughts and deeds of our forebears, but also serves as an irrevocable link to our humanity. Neither machines nor technology can replace or equal the contribution or continuing importance of this inexpensive portable skill. Necessary in every age, handwriting remains just as vital to the enduring saga of civilization as our next breath.
"

CX.

originally posted by: CX
I think it's bad anyway that handwriting s starting to take second place in schools to IT. Yes I know we live in a modern world, but handwriting is a basic skill that will hopefully outlive any computer.

I seriously worry about the basics that are being left behind at school these days, and one day, if the power goes out, we'll be left with asking the elders for help. I can see people in the future picking up a pen for the first time as if it were their first time with chopsticks.

Many jobs need handwriting too, all of the jobs I've worked have needed legible handwriting as a requirement. Maybe not so much the CV, but we did have do a handwritten covering letter too.

I'll leave you with the passage that you have to write out for the World Handwriting Contest, I love this piece of writing...

HANDWRITING: that action of emotion, of thought, and of decision that has recorded the history of mankind, revealed the genius of invention, and disclosed the inmost depths of the soulful heart. It gives ideas tangible form through letters, pictographs, symbols, and signs. Handwriting forges a bond across millennia and generations that not only ties us to the thoughts and deeds of our forebears, but also serves as an irrevocable link to our humanity. Neither machines nor technology can replace or equal the contribution or continuing importance of this inexpensive portable skill. Necessary in every age, handwriting remains just as vital to the enduring saga of civilization as our next breath.
"

CX.

The problem of relying on good handwriting isn't the true problem. Writing up a resume is the bigger one. Even if the power goes out. Someone with really good handwriting doesn't mean they can get the job done for jobs like factories and other stuff(more than likely physical).

Good hand writing is only good for jobs that use English a lot like writing stories and books. Everyone needs to slow down on the mass requirement on straight "A" English. It is like telling a foreigner who knows how to do the job to come here and force fully write a resume in a language they do not know just to get a job. They just can't.

Every language has its own written system not all of them writes like hand writing, you can take Chinese or Indian for example. Every nations has its up and downs on people who knows their language. Picking people to get job because they got good handwriting doesn't always means they can do the job right physically.

That is like joining the military, but you don't get hired because you can't hand write as good in your own language.
Everyone says my writing is bad. But, do know that some people who hands write better than me at school cannot even do math or other stuff. This is a reason why IQ tests is mostly bad. If someone is good at one thing. Don't forcefully make them do something that they can't do just to get the job. Today, society is like asking for Robots to get hired. Highly expecting everyone to know all the knowledge once and able to do all the things some people can't do.

Its like asking the Chef to be the Waiter at the same time. They just, can't do that.

It really pissed my husband off that nearly everything is done online now. In his opinion, it's a critical disconnect between employers and potential employees, because the employer loses out on useful first impressions during handing in the application (things like quick small talk & follow-up questions, & getting a feel for the potential hire by way of speech, body language, etc) I certainly agree with him, human contact like that at the consideration stage for hires is important. Very much so. But in this almost factory line-like way of applying online, it's almost like people aren't even seen as people anymore. Maybe because they're not, they're just worker bees these days, grinding away with the rest of the Joneses.

a reply to: makemap

No-one said you had to use the computer - You can do like a lot of us do, and write it out on paper, then scan it and send it.

I'm partially biased, as I work in the tech industry, but my Dad would agree with you 110%. His complaints are the same as yours: Not only does he not like computers, but every website promising new jobs out there requires a user account at the least.

For me, I don't see it as a crutch too much, because I look at it this way: Say I want to move to a new city, for example, Chicago. If I were doing this the "old fashioned" way (IE: Write out my resume, and visit each of the companies I am interested in), the hiring process would take much longer and much more expenses. Online, I can see how many jobs in my field are in the city, and what I can expect in terms of employment.

Also, for most jobs out there, the resume is just the icing on the cake; You still have to survive the initial interview, which is where you are truly judged (like in my case - I failed an interview because it was determined that I didn't think outside-the-box enough for the position; the deciding question was how to fill a school bus up with ping-pong balls).

-fossilera

Hurry up and get a computer. So I can chant. One of us. One of us. One of us. Over and over.



The worst is that every application is exactly the same. With exactly the same questions. It would suck having to fill out a bunch of different application all with questions like this.

If you see an employee stealing would you report them.

Agree....Strongly Agree....Disagree.....Strongly Disagree

Then 10 questions later.

If you observed an employee taking an item that does not belong to them would you notify a manager

Agree.....Strongly Agree....Disagree.....Strongly Disagree

originally posted by: Nyiah
It really pissed my husband off that nearly everything is done online now. In his opinion, it's a critical disconnect between employers and potential employees, because the employer loses out on useful first impressions during handing in the application (things like quick small talk & follow-up questions, & getting a feel for the potential hire by way of speech, body language, etc) I certainly agree with him, human contact like that at the consideration stage for hires is important. Very much so. But in this almost factory line-like way of applying online, it's almost like people aren't even seen as people anymore. Maybe because they're not, they're just worker bees these days, grinding away with the rest of the Joneses.

I had it drummed into me .... *you only ever get one chance

to make a first impression,*

a reply to: CX

Similarly for real books as for handwriting. Reports suggest that people are turning to real books again after all the e-reader popularity, which reports also suggest aren't good for people.

Yay for handwriting and real books, and I will add to that real drawing and art.

That said, it is easier if all the applications are online as they don't need physically sorted and stored and can be kept on file, accessed and notes added to easier.

a reply to: makemap

It's funny how I came across this page just a few days ago, and then your post.

I would not say it's "not allowed to write a resume using pencil and papers". It's just that some industries are more conservative than others, and your creativity won't be appreciated.

I went to a local library, like many people here recommended. They showed me where to get free samples, and did a few review / critique.

I got the job so can't complain.

originally posted by: fossilera
a reply to: makemap

No-one said you had to use the computer - You can do like a lot of us do, and write it out on paper, then scan it and send it.

That is still using a computer. Who can afford a scanner when their piss poor? You need a computer to make the scanner work first place too.