a reply to: Bedlam
Bedlam oddly I wound up with a selectable semi/pump shotgun... I'm thinking probably the cheapest ones ever made. It's out of Turkey, and is in many
ways a clone of the benelli selectable semi/pump guns. It's called a tristar Tech12...
I paid $550 including shipping transfer and 25 rounds of decent 00 buck.
Anyway so, knowing that bargain guns sometimes have fit and finish and other minor issues. I took it home, immediately broke it down, stoned and honed
bearing surfaces, gently shaved down casting flash in a couple places, loctited some key parts, and in general gave it a solid once over and a bath /
You know what?
It is now one of my favorite shotguns of all time and ALWAYS gets a spot in the cases on range days!
I want to test it more and machine some new parts to replace existing parts that I just wouldn't want to trust my life to in the Home Defense role,
but once I do this I'm very confident it will serve well as a home defense weapon much more conducive to my wife being willing to practice more with
than even the mossberg 930 I have for her now. Not that I can blame her for avoiding the pain of firing my personal shotgun setup. (I've been firing
it since the summer before I started junior high school... That fall I got my varsity letter in wrestling because there wasn't a single other kid on
the team that was in the 77 pounds and under weight class lol!!!)
My 2 absolute favorite shotguns are first the mossberg 500's with a bead sight 18.5 inch barrel full length tube and plow handle pistol grip since
it's what I learned to shoot on! And second the remington Model 10/29 and it's ancestors which include the superb ithaca downward ejectors and the
better than nothing stevens 320's lol. However the 10/29 are to my mind vastly superior to their progeny due to their ability to be broken down with
the tube and barrel as a single unit and receiver and stock as the other. It actually makes packing a shotgun not suck.
In general though to me a shotgun that costs more than a base line decent quality AR15 is completely useless. (truly the honda ridgelne of the
firearms world! AKA stoop tarded!) BTW baseline AR15's are right around 625 right now. If you don't wear tweed and own at least one abercrombie and
fitch shotgun this should be the sane man's budget cap IMO. I say this because they are the beater farm pickup of the firearms world. I LOVE
SHOTGUNS don't get me wrong! But I also feel like they occupy a niche that's defined by hard use in the outdoors coupled with potential use to put
down two legged predators that go bump in the upstairs hallway. Either way they're going to see a hard life, and really can't afford to be babied.
Some people are going now wait a minute! doesn't that make buying quality and etc even MORE important?
While I believe quality, durability, ability to successfully and reliably fire a broad variety of shells from slugs to bird shot to buckshot to Non
lethal rubber buckshot or bean bags, and ready availability of aftermarket options... I also happen to know some things about shotguns and shotgun
technology that some might not know.
1. Shotgun shells are low pressure even compared to modern pistol rounds: This is why they get away with much thinner barrels than something like an
AR15. It also in general means that costs can be cut by using not quite as expensive but still VERY VERY SUPER SAFE steels in certain internal
components as compared to hunting rifles or modern sporting rifles. Combine this with everything on or in a shotgun being just BIG compared to other
gun parts, and frankly it just doesn't cost anywhere close to as much to manufacture a shotgun that'll last a lifetime as it does to manufacture an
AR15 that's decent but will basically need replacement every 5 to 10 years!
2. VOLUME: I know of very few gun owners that don't own AT LEAST one shotgun! (I'd say better than half of my gun owner friends own 2-3 or more,
usually because they got given the shotgun from dad or grandpa as a teenager and then went back into the gun shop they bought a .22 in on their 18th
birthday about 6 months later and picked up a remington 870 or mossberg as a used police trade in or on sale etc.) There's lots and lots of them out
there and I bet 95% or more of each new crop of gun owners buys one within their first 4 firearm purchases.
Combine 1 and 2 and you have a situation where economies of scale and less need for the expensive, harder to work, and harder on tooling ordnance
steels PLUS internal working parts that aren't nearly as small and hence are somehwat easier to fabricate in huge lots creates a product that just
does not cost anywhere near as much to manufacture!