Is Every UFO video Fake or Mistaken?

originally posted by: skyblueworld

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: skyblueworld
The UFO's seen flying over Washington in July 1952, please debunk!

or

I don't need to add anymore, it seems like you need to convince yourself whether it's true or not. That should be your decision alone.

So many testimonies, so many witnesses, yet people want video proof lol

Good luck convincing yourself either way.

The so called 'battle of LA' (not Washington, you can even see that in the text below the picture, not 1952, actually not long after Pearl Harbour)'? There were no testimonies that anything strange had been seen, none - all you are showing is the sole photo showing the army shooting at what appears to have been nothing and from all the actual testimonies from the military at the time, it seems one itchy trigger finger started a whole lot of shooting. There was a fear Japan was going to attack and the military were on high alert.

I always makes me laugh when people take a copy of that newspaper cover and try to add what they believe is an alien craft where there is nothing. The text on your screengrab even says that the white lights above the searchlights are from anti aircraft shells exploding - not against an object, but because that's what they are designed to do.

The Washington sighting and the picture I posted after are 2 separate incidents that I mentioned, unless you must the 'Or', that's your own problem.

I did miss the 'or' apologies, but then why post the LA picture as proof but not refer to it in your response? The 1952 photo has widely been seen as flashilghts reflecting off clouds, why not point that out?

You didn't say anything about the battle of LA pic though, is that because you accept it is not evidence of anything?

a reply to: uncommitted

Rich, how?
Are they offering a cash reward for prof?

I just want to be pointed to a single thread where the majority believe -
Yes! That is a god d""""d spaceship from either outer space or the inner earth.

originally posted by: Krakatoa
Now, that is not to say UFO's do not exist....UFO means unidentified...it does not automatically mean alien. However, it could be, but proof of that claim is required.

yep, I do wish people would understand what the letters UFO stand for...so no to answer the OP.

originally posted by: FinalCountdown
a reply to: uncommitted

Rich, how?
Are they offering a cash reward for prof?

I just want to be pointed to a single thread where the majority believe -
Yes! That is a god d""""d spaceship from either outer space or the inner earth.

If someone had proof that there was - definitively and explicit - proof of ET intelligently controlled objects in our skies, you don't think that it would be worth an awful lot of money?

There are real UFO's, however, that's just what they are. Unknowns. This doesn't in any way imply that they are "aliens," or whatever, because "it couldn't be anything made on Earth." Nobody is an expert on everything that could be flying around in the sky, whether it's man-made or natural like a meteor or something.

I also think that there are some aspects of reality that are beyond out comprehension, because as smart as we are, we could still be smarter. And when something is beyond comprehension, it's questionable as to whether or not it's even real. So we make up things in our heads as to what they could be, or try to find the nearest thing we're familiar with and call it that. UFOs could be part of reality that we're just not smart enough (and may never be smart enough) to understand.

originally posted by: Unity_99
They're not all. Some were debunked according to the skeptics, but not at all. NASA ones are good as well. And some of the so called youtube accounts that seem to vet in fake videos, also have included real ones. Which makes you wonder what the channel is doing, trying to slur the topic. You can do a search and check out random videos from ordinary people, and many of them are real.

Well unity you say you can get them to visit you BUT YOU NEVER EXCEPT THE CHALLENGE TO PROVE IT, by claiming that if you ever take pictures or video they wont come back how VERY CONVENIENT !!!!

a reply to: FinalCountdown

You are correct, there are NO ET cases. If there has ever been ETs, they may have been in prehistoric and ancient times, or in later centuries like during late middle ages, revolutions and renaissance. If there are really such visitor cases in the 20th century, it is not on any of the 'big UFO cases' and YouTube videos are - pure misinterpretation of domestic, in rare cases military and in zero cases ET

a reply to: CollisioN
Thanks. As I expected.
Can we finally close the UFO forum then?

Was the supposed Holloman AFB footage ever debunked, or was it ever proven to be something normal?



It was apparently given to film maker Robert Emenegger, who claims, or rather doesn't deny, having seen more.

a reply to: FinalCountdown

Can we finally close the UFO forum then?

No we can't , the site owners can but why should they ?
This forum is for the discussion of Aliens and UFOs which has a long and deep history , pictures and videos are just icing on top of what is an interesting mystery , tomorrow may hold the key.

originally posted by: FinalCountdown
a reply to: CollisioN
Thanks. As I expected.
Can we finally close the UFO forum then?

No. Because, as I stated earlier (for those that did not read the post) UFO means Unidentified. It does not exclusively mean alien/extra-terrestrial in nature. There are many UFO's to discuss, as these are still unidentified flying objects. However, there is still no (including independently verifiable, and repeatable) concrete evidence by any claimant of alien visitation on planet Earth. We have not even discovered alien signals or remotely detected their presence in the universe.

I await that day, when there is, and look to here to eventually see and discuss that event. Until that time, this forum should stay open in the hopes that it does eventually come to fruition.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: FinalCountdown

If anyone has a debunk for this one, I'd like to hear it.

It's not a debunk, it's a highly probable explanation that fits the facts (about 99% probable in my list). It's probably a reflection and it fades just like a reflection would.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now here's a real UFO with a real, but extremely low quality picture, but good enough to rule out things like misidentification of astronomical objects etc.:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you do a search you can find some websites online that have better scans of that photo and they've attempted to analyze it.

a reply to: FinalCountdown

You know, when I found ATS I was so excited because I have always believed that UFOs were extraterrestrial in nature...or at least I think I wanted to believe. However, after reading so many topics on here and seeing so many photos/videos being passed off as "proof" and hearing some really out there stories by members...I have come to the conclusion that all ATS has done for me is turn me into a HUGE skeptic on the topic of UFOs.

I still believe that there is life somewhere out there in the universe...but I am very skeptical that any extraterrestrial life has ever visited earth. Kind of a bummer...like finding out there is no Santa Clause...but in the end I'd rather know the truth.

With so many people carrying cell phones at all times now it seems like there would have to be more photos and videos if there was a legit phenomenon that is possible to be photographed. I've become very jaded and skeptical over the years even though I've seen some strange things I've never found a rational explanation for.

originally posted by: Maverick7

1. Until people stop hoaxing, fabricating, and out right lying (Travis Walton), we will never get to the bottom of these 'events'.


Right now, it's a psychological problem. Why do people hoax? Why do people report abductions?

Wow, folks, this is some old school disinformation right here. I just can't let it go by, that's how lies and untruths get cemented in popular opinion. The correction must be made, so here goes:

Travis Walton was abducted by aliens.This case is about as close as the aliens have allowed us to get to catching them in the act.

It didn't take me long to realize that there are more than a few posters here on ATS whose aim is to mislead people about the reality of alien contact. With a dedication that seems like a profession, they never fail to overwhelm a thread that starts to actually gain ground on the issue.

Their unanimity is surpassed only by their ubiquity, and their careful attention to talking points reminds one of a campaign.

Name an important figure in Ufology, and they will hammer away at a single problem they magnify to an unrealistic degree in an effort to derail support for a UFO event, even when there is far more substantial evidence to support the case as being genuine. And sometimes these points they hammer at are downright fraudulent.

Now, I'm not accusing this poster of any such behavior, I'm not in a position to judge, but his repeating the disinformation makes it a moot point.

He says Travis Walton is "outright lying". Pretty bold statement to make. Based on what? One thing. 33 years after his abduction, Travis Walton appeared on a Fox TV game show, where they allege he failed their polygraph test.

Trouble is, beyond the fact that polygraphs are unreliable in the first place, is that the test was fraudulent.

In fact, it was the producers of the show who lied to Travis Walton, when they assured him that accepted, modern methods of polygraph testing were being used. The "test" they gave Walton violated the American Polygraph Associations Standards and Principles of Practice. Not just one violation of standards of practice, but a whole list of violations.

A fraud. In fact, the format of the test used on this reality TV show were estimated to yield as high as 80% false positives. This according to the testimony of a court authorized polygraph examiner in 2004. Who added that, " “Due to the vague, subjective, futuristic nature, and sheer volume, of relevant questions asked on The Moment of Truth, there can be little more than chance accuracy in determining truth or deception to these questions. In other words, they could simply flip a coin and achieve the same accuracy levels."

Wow. That is what you call a fraudulent test.

And folks, it is on that test alone that the deniers justify calling Travis Walton an "outright liar".

But wait a minute, is this the only lie detector test that Travis Walton took?

Not by a long shot. After his abduction, Travis was tested by the Arizona State Police, whose polygraph examiner determined he was telling the truth.

And, immediately after the travesty of the Fox reality TV game show, Travis was retested. This time with the most rigorous testing standards in the country. In New Mexico, where polygraphs are heavily regulated by the state because results are admissible in court.

Walton was tested by a firm that administers polygraphs for the Albuquerque Police Dept, the NM State Prison, and the U.S. Marshal’s office. Tested with the most accepted methods, and tested on state-of-the-art computerized equipment. And Travis Walton passed two different new tests. Flawlessly.

Travis Walton told the truth when he said he was abducted by aliens.

That's according to three legitimate polygraph examinations. The only false reading came from a fraudulent test that violated accepted standards and principles of practice, given on a Fox reality TV game show.

The truth is obvious. Anyone calling Travis Walton a liar is a liar themselves.

Thank you for taking the time to read this post. Good night and good health.

Scdfa

originally posted by: Joneselius
As a real life witness to two UFO's, close as well, it pisses me off to NO END that people do lie about this.

Though I couldn't film it I did write a detailed thread about it a while back. Hoaxers are EVERYWHERE these days and I don't think it's for fame - I think it's just information garbage. Most people don't care if someone see's theie silly hoax or not, but once it gains traction it's hard to stop. Added to that people are so bored they just want entertainment, and sometimes fakes will suffice.

As a real life human being who has had experiences with these crafts I can, for you know, attest that they are, indeed, 100% real. And they're VERY VERY big. They're not these little discs (not in my case) they're fracking enormous. They can, and do, change shape and they have a surface like oil.

They make NO noise and they can, and do, have lights or totally illuminate in any colour, anywhere on the craft.

To the hoaxers F*** YOU for making people not believe us. You IDIOTS. Hurting the truth is a damn shame. Acting as though you're telling it is even worse.

I'd like to hear a detailed account of your encounter, you sound legitimate to me.

a reply to: Scdfa

He says Travis Walton is "outright lying". Pretty bold statement to make. Based on what?

Well there is always the other side of the story. Here was a pro UFO groups findings back in 1975.

debunker.com...
"Ground Saucer Watch" Memo on the Walton Incident

Conclusions (undated: probably December, 1975)

"Ground Saucer Watch," a pro-UFO organization, was the very first UFO organization on the scene of the Walton "abduction". In cooperation with Dr. J. Allen Hynek of CUFOS, Dr. Lester Stewart of GSW began to interview the Walton family while Travis was still "missing." They immediately smelled a hoax. These are their conclusions, without any changes - RS.


1. Walton never boarded the UFO. This fact is supported by the six witnesses and the polygraph test results. [3]

2. The entire Walton family has had a continual UFO history. The Walton boys have reported observing 10 to 15 separate UFO sightings (very high).

3. When Duane was questioned about his brother's disappearance, he stated that "Travis will be found, that UFO's are friendly." GSW countered, "How do you know Travis will be found?" Duane said "I have a feeling, a strong feeling." GSW asked "If the UFO 'captors' are going to return Travis, will you have a camera to record this great occurrence?" Duane, "No, if I have a camera 'they' will not return."

4. The Walton's mother showed no outward emotion over the 'loss' of Travis. She said that UFO's will not harm her son, he will be returned and that UFO's have been seen by her family many times.

5. The Walton's refused any outside scientific help or anyone who logically doubted the abduction portion of the story.

6. The media and GSW was fair to the witnesses. However, when the story started to 'fall apart' the Waltons would only talk to people who did not doubt the abduction story.

7. APRO became involved and criticized both GSW and Dr. Hynek for taking a negative position on the encounter.

8. The Waltons 'sold' their story to the National Enquirer and the story was completely twisted from the truth.

One thing. 33 years after his abduction, Travis Walton appeared on a Fox TV game show, where they allege he failed their polygraph test.

Yeah, well who cares. He was also on an episode of the Kardashians.

It didn't take me long to realize that there are more than a few posters here on ATS whose aim is to mislead people about the reality of alien contact. With a dedication that seems like a profession, they never fail to overwhelm a thread that starts to actually gain ground on the issue.

Well I am running for president of the deniers club.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Scdfa

He says Travis Walton is "outright lying". Pretty bold statement to make. Based on what?

Well there is always the other side of the story. Here was a pro UFO groups findings back in 1975.

debunker.com...
"Ground Saucer Watch" Memo on the Walton Incident

Conclusions (undated: probably December, 1975)

"Ground Saucer Watch," a pro-UFO organization, was the very first UFO organization on the scene of the Walton "abduction". In cooperation with Dr. J. Allen Hynek of CUFOS, Dr. Lester Stewart of GSW began to interview the Walton family while Travis was still "missing." They immediately smelled a hoax. These are their conclusions, without any changes - RS.


1. Walton never boarded the UFO. This fact is supported by the six witnesses and the polygraph test results. [3]

2. The entire Walton family has had a continual UFO history. The Walton boys have reported observing 10 to 15 separate UFO sightings (very high).

3. When Duane was questioned about his brother's disappearance, he stated that "Travis will be found, that UFO's are friendly." GSW countered, "How do you know Travis will be found?" Duane said "I have a feeling, a strong feeling." GSW asked "If the UFO 'captors' are going to return Travis, will you have a camera to record this great occurrence?" Duane, "No, if I have a camera 'they' will not return."

4. The Walton's mother showed no outward emotion over the 'loss' of Travis. She said that UFO's will not harm her son, he will be returned and that UFO's have been seen by her family many times.

5. The Walton's refused any outside scientific help or anyone who logically doubted the abduction portion of the story.

6. The media and GSW was fair to the witnesses. However, when the story started to 'fall apart' the Waltons would only talk to people who did not doubt the abduction story.

7. APRO became involved and criticized both GSW and Dr. Hynek for taking a negative position on the encounter.

8. The Waltons 'sold' their story to the National Enquirer and the story was completely twisted from the truth.

One thing. 33 years after his abduction, Travis Walton appeared on a Fox TV game show, where they allege he failed their polygraph test.

Yeah, well who cares. He was also on an episode of the Kardashians.

It didn't take me long to realize that there are more than a few posters here on ATS whose aim is to mislead people about the reality of alien contact. With a dedication that seems like a profession, they never fail to overwhelm a thread that starts to actually gain ground on the issue.

Well I am running for president of the deniers club.

You're losing your touch, zeta, nothing you list in any way runs contrary to Travis Walton being abducted. Quite the contrary, most people know that abductees are usually taken more than once, often from the time they were children, and family members are often involved.

Deniers gotta deny, I guess, but you can't deny the fact he passed three legitimate polygraphs.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: FinalCountdown

Can we finally close the UFO forum then?

No we can't , the site owners can but why should they ?
This forum is for the discussion of Aliens and UFOs which has a long and deep history , pictures and videos are just icing on top of what is an interesting mystery , tomorrow may hold the key.

Spot on Gortex, can't believe someone wants this forum shut down from this thread alone, pathetic.

a reply to: FinalCountdown Unfortunately, there are so many people who have decided to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame that it's just about impossible to separate interesting stuff from bogus stuff. They have a lot to answer for.