It Begins: Muslim Brotherhood Starts USA Political Party

originally posted by: queenofswords
Islam is a theocracy rather than a religion. Therein lies the problem.

If you think for one minute that muslims can separate the two, we are in for a long sad demise.

It is a radical combination of Church and State, so what we are witnessing ("thank you", Obama, Pelosi, et al) is a nudge (Nudge Theory) toward something that will transform our nation as we know it.

BHO probably knows exactly what he's doing. I would guess the liberal fanaticism of Pelosi is her excuse. These people try to be so open-minded that they fail to keep their brains intact. They are destroying America one nudge at a time and calling it progress, when really, it's just the opposite.



Imagine a couple of generations from now when the Supreme Court might actually have some of these people sitting on the bench!! You may be dead and gone, but your great grandchildren may be suffering the consequences of it.

In this day and age there is no excuse for your total ignorance. Spend twenty minutes reading about the ottoman empire which was the undisputed superpower of the world at that time and see how they separated church and state. See how much more advanced they were than you and your ilk in treating people with different religions.

Here's a hint, if your really believed that your "way" was worth anything at all, you wouldn't go bat # nuts just because you run into some people that have different views than you do.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: neo96
As far as women's rights goes it more cultural than religious. In some Muslim nations they have the same rights men do in some nations they do not. Hell even here in the states women are not equal to men on average they are paid less than men for doing the same job. So until women are fully equal to men here in the states we shouldn't be complaining about other cultures.

Another horrible false equivalency on your part.

You're smart enough to know that the statement "women get paid less for doing the same job" is an meaningless thesis to prove or disprove. A strawman that doesn't take into account any other variable other than whether a person has a penis or vagina, and doesn't establish gender as a variable of causation, only correlation.

Second, blatantly discriminatory, biogoted, and misogynistic laws, with corresponding punishments, exist in Islamic countries. Women get stoned for adultery. They are forbidden from driving. They do not have equal rights under the law.

To compare a woman willfully getting paid a salary at a job she CHOOSES to work at to women being abused in Muslim countries is pathetic, most of all, because you're smart enough to know the difference.

I'm sure the hyperbole will continue especially after the Hedbo incident. IMO, it be used as the catalyst to continue the hatred, fear and panic needed to raise support for war and further restrictions on freedoms.

Time to raise up the Muslim boogeyman again. I'm not gonna fall for this load of BS, just to fall in line with the advocates of ignorance.

So relax, it's BS.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

How exactly is it fearmongering? I mean the Egyptians rejected the MB not long after they gained power.

a reply to: IntroduceALittleIrony

Because every thread made with the word "muslim" in it degenerates into a bunch of islamophobia and fearmongering that the big bad muslims are coming to take away our freedoms. How about reading the rest of the 8 pages of this thread to see what I'm talking about?

a reply to: neo96

Is that the same media that turns in o Republicanphobes that coined the term the party of no ?

What did that Republican McConnell say when Obama was first elected into office? We will dedicate our efforts to stopping him from being elected to a second term. Even that conservative God Rush Limbaugh said they should wear the party of No as a badge of honor.

Is that the same media that turns in to Gunphobes every time there is a shooing ?

Actually you hear the media screaming the right to bear arms more than you hear the scream get rid of the guns.

Is that the same media that turned in to copphobes in Ferguson, and New York.

So asking why a cop didn't go to trail for killing a unarmed person or asking why a cop didn't go to trial for choking a man to death over something he should have just gotten a ticket for makes a person a copophobe?

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: infinityorder
a reply to: TrueAmerican

this is a christian nation

Last time i checked The U.S. was a secular nation.

Amen! Amen!

Don't need anyone ramming religion down my throat. Not a Christian or a Muslim. However, if things got totally crazy and out of hand, the Christians and Muslims could take each other down, leaving the rest of us to survive and carry on this great nation.

I once read somewhere that The U.S. was a land for those who where fleeing religious persecution from elsewhere. A land where every religion would be tolerated without fear or favour. Is that correct ?

It used to be! It's becoming a nation of Evangelical Christians trying to grab power though.

It's a bit sad.

I found this little snippet from your First Amendment

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.

en.wikipedia.org...

I think some people in The U.S. ( not yourself included ) need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

a reply to: dawnstar

America is not broke...


And the only Country within a Thousand mile radius of the Arab lands lining the pockets of U.S politicians is Israel...



Then again, now that I say that...
I wouldn't be surprised if they sold you out to a "Caliphate" like Al Bagdhadi's...


ISISrael are the flavour of the Month I guess!

a reply to: samjonesy

In this day and age there is no excuse for your total ignorance. Spend twenty minutes reading about the ottoman empire which was the undisputed superpower of the world at that time and see how they separated church and state. See how much more advanced they were than you and your ilk in treating people with different religions.

Yeah someones's ignorance is truly showing.

The Armenian Genocide[7] (Armenian: Հայոց Ցեղասպանություն Hayots Tseghaspanutyun),[8] also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, traditionally by Armenians, as Medz Yeghern (Armenian: Մեծ Եղեռն, "Great Crime"),[9] was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of its minority Armenian subjects from their historic homeland within the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey. The starting date is conventionally held to be 24 April 1915, the day Ottoman authorities rounded up and arrested some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople. The genocide was carried out during and after World War I and implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and subjection of army conscripts to forced labour, followed by the deportation of women, children, the elderly and infirm on death marches leading to the Syrian desert. Driven forward by military escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to periodic robbery, rape, and massacre.[10][11][12] The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 1 and 1.5 million. Other indigenous and Christian ethnic groups such as the Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks were similarly targeted for extermination by the Ottoman government, and their treatment is considered by many historians to be part of the same genocidal policy.[13][14][15] The majority of Armenian diaspora communities around the world came into being as a direct result of the genocide.

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originally posted by: TheArrow
Nope.

Wow crazy, must have been some other guy with the same avatar picture and screen name.

Your ability to understand my very clear points is a reflection of your abilities, not mine.

Your clear points being that the President is going to use his powers to increase the MB's power in the Middle East and not America?

Again, you're bringing up Sharia law here, not me.

You're asking questions that I am not going to answer because, frankly, there stupid.

No, that is what the conversation was about. Tardacus made a long post about how Muslims could slowly gain a foothold in America and slowly overtake it from within. YOU countered by saying all they'd need is for a President to switch faiths in office. Then when I told you that was bollocks, you start talking about increasing the MB's power in the Middle East. So what are YOU talking about? Do you even know?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: queenofswords

Care to elucidate? The right most DEFINITELY is the chief exporter in hyperbole politically and stubbornness is a key part of being a conservative (unwilling to change). So where did I go wrong?

It's not like I've seen a single person in this thread back up their fears with valid reasoning to fear the oncoming Muslim bogeyman. Just more fear, hyperbole, and stereotyping. Par the course for the right.

You have got to be kidding. YOU elucidate. I could start cutting and pasting all the liberal hyperbole to back up what I say and then you will cut and paste rhetoric from a faction of conservatism to back up your claims of hyperbole. You buy into the myth that conservatives are unwilling to change. Maybe some are. But, change does not necessarily have to mean "fundamentally transforming America". The conservatives I hang with are all about change, but productive change within our American laws and system of justice.

If you haven't seen the backup, then you aren't reading nor truly listening to the posters here. But, that's generally what liberals do. They never see beyond the surface because their hair-trigger response to embrace and justify always supercedes the necessity to examine something without using their PC glasses.

Also, I would call it a seriously valid concern based on evidence rather than calling it fear.

originally posted by: Daedal
Time to raise up the Muslim boogeyman again. I'm not gonna fall for this load of BS, just to fall in line with the advocates of ignorance.

So relax, it's BS.

That's my thinking as well. How's the Communist Party(past boogyman) doing?

originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: TrueAmerican

White House Rejects Petition Asking Government to Declare Muslim Brotherhood Terrorist Group

So wait, we have terrorist group now with a political party in Amerika

Well, the White House doesnt seem to think they are so why should you?

The White House? They won't even put 'Islamist' and 'terrorist' in the same sentence. Of course the apologists in this admin have no trouble with it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
No, that is what the conversation was about. Tardacus made a long post about how Muslims could slowly gain a foothold in America and slowly overtake it from within.

Yup.

YOU countered by saying all they'd need is for a President to switch faiths in office.

Not faiths, political parties. But, conceded. Yup.

Then when I told you that was bollocks, you start talking about increasing the MB's power in the Middle East. So what are YOU talking about? Do you even know?

No, it was when you started railing about Sharia Law because you didn't understand the point of my post that things started to get confusing for you.

a reply to: Jamie1

You're smart enough to know that the statement "women get paid less for doing the same job" is an meaningless thesis to prove or disprove.

No that is fact. Women do get paid less than men for doing the same job.

A strawman that doesn't take into account any other variable other than whether a person has a penis or vagina, and doesn't establish gender as a variable of causation, only correlation.

When you have people supporting women getting paid less because the woman may become pregnant then yes having a vagina does become a variable of causation.

Second, blatantly discriminatory, biogoted, and misogynistic laws, with corresponding punishments, exist in Islamic countries. Women get stoned for adultery. They are forbidden from driving. They do not have equal rights under the law.

you are half right. Women are not treated the same in all Islamic nations. If you think they are then you need to do a little research.

To compare a woman willfully getting paid a salary at a job she CHOOSES to work at to women being abused in Muslim countries is pathetic, most of all, because you're smart enough to know the difference.

So you think women choose to get paid less? And you support companies offering them less? Did you ever stop to think that it isn't that they choose to get paid less but that is the only job available and really have no choice if they want to make a living. Perhaps they would be better off just finding a man to take care of them huh?

a reply to: neo96

Tell me what happened in the UK that us Brits should be worried about, please...


You seem to appear more informed about my own Country than I do when you say things like that!

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Daedal
Time to raise up the Muslim boogeyman again. I'm not gonna fall for this load of BS, just to fall in line with the advocates of ignorance.

So relax, it's BS.

That's my thinking as well. How's the Communist Party(past boogyman) doing?

Horrible. There's commies everywhere it's like Russia before the cold war. Everywhere you go it's comrade this comrade that it's enough to make a person scream.

The fear is strong on ATS. Its a sad day when even the smart are dumb.

a reply to: neo96

Translated into...

"Don't look at us, look at them"


How about condemning both ideologies?

originally posted by: queenofswords
You have got to be kidding. YOU elucidate. I could start cutting and pasting all the liberal hyperbole to back up what I say and then you will cut and paste rhetoric from a faction of conservatism to back up your claims of hyperbole. You buy into the myth that conservatives are unwilling to change. Maybe some are. But, change does not necessarily have to mean "fundamentally transforming America". The conservatives I hang with are all about change, but productive change within our American laws and system of justice.

Your speech in this thread spells out a different picture. I know there is hyperbole from both sides, but you are foolish if you think that more doesn't come from the right. You seem to think I'm a liberal. If it weren't for my desire to dispel BS all the time, you wouldn't think that. But rarely do I see BS from the left posted. I do miss a good 2nd amendment debate for instance (lots of left wing hyperbole there), but that isn't in the headlines. Though there is NEVER any shortage of hyperbole coming from the right. This thread is full of it.

If you haven't seen the backup, then you aren't reading nor truly listening to the posters here. But, that's generally what liberals do. They never see beyond the surface because their hair-trigger response to embrace and justify always supercedes the necessity to examine something without using their PC glasses.

It's funny how you are talking to me about not listening to others yet you ignored my point about being a Libertarian.

Also, I would call it a seriously valid concern based on evidence rather than calling it fear.

What evidence? I haven't seen any evidence posted in this thread. I've seen a lot of projections, slippery slopes and rhetoric though.