It Begins: Muslim Brotherhood Starts USA Political Party

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: TrueAmerican
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Those that fail to see the differences between rule by Sharia, and rule by Constitution are truly the ones without a brain.

So let's say, hypothetically, that a Muslim President takes over in 2016. How exactly is this President going to implement Sharia Law? Last I checked, the government is run by MANY checks and balances so as to prevent a single political ideology from running roughshod over the political landscape. Though that all assumes that a Muslim could even get the SUPPORT from the population to be elected. The only non-Protestant President we've ever had was JFK, and the backlash from that was HUGE.

There is a Communist party in this country, but I don't see the Constitution being replaced by The Communist Manifesto.

Until you can provide a realistic way that any of your fears would actually happen, this whole thread is baseless fearmongering.

Executive Order. The president can circumvent almost all checks and balances no of days.

a reply to: Vaedur

You don't know what an Executive Order is and can do, do you? For one Executive Orders don't circumvent ANY checks and balances. And for two EO's have little to no power outside telling branches underneath the Executive Branch of government how to behave.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: TrueAmerican

If they got elected, it would spark civil war. there would be no better example of the rift between urban and rural people, and its already getting very tense.

Who is "THEY"? Cuz all I see is another religious sect mixing in politics? Where is the "Muslim Brotherhood" apart from this group being Muslim?

Hell...does that mean that I can declare Christians in DC and their Evangelical Political backers the "Lords Resistance Army" and followers of Kony?

ATS is a disappointing place lately..No one raises an eyebrow to this BS?

Who is "THEY"?

The title of this thread:

It Begins: Muslim Brotherhood Starts USA Political Party

From the article's opening:

Washington, DC: With an eye toward the 2016 election, the radical Muslim Brotherhood has built the framework for a political party in America that seeks to turn Muslims into an Islamist voting bloc.

Further reading on who the Muslim Brotherhood is:

en.wikipedia.org...

Like I said...ATS is a disappointing place lately. Where I expect members of your status to at least ask the question how the "Article" through not-so-subtle slight of hand morphed "Muslim Voters" into "Muslim Brotherhood" as if they were one in the same.

Washington, DC: With an eye toward the 2016 election, the radical Muslim Brotherhood has built the framework for a political party in America that seeks to turn Muslims into an Islamist voting bloc.

'Muslim voters have the potential to be swing voters in 2016," said Nihad Awad in launching the benign-sounding U.S. Council of Muslim Organizations

I assume an unsubstantiated headline declaring that Evangelical Political Organizations and "Christian Voters" were the same as the Lords Resistance Army/Kony or Abortion Clinic Bombers would be received by you with equal bigotry and veracity?

I am discovering how low I must set the expectations for critical thought with certain members and it is disheartening.

When I visit the US Council's of Muslim Organizations website, the first article is...
The US Council of Muslim Organizations deplores the murder of James Foley and denounces ISIS

The USCMO roundly condemns this group and rejects its ideology and actions. The terror organization, which is also known by the acronym ISIS, does not speak or act on behalf of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims. In fact, they have killed so many Muslims indiscriminately. Their actions are reprehensible, inhumane and completely contravene all aspects and tenets of Islam.

uscmo.org...

A statement that would earn them beheadings in any territory occupied by Islamic Extremists..

"They" are Americans expressing religious freedom...
"They" Include over 10,000 United States Soldiers that have fought or died battling Islamic Extremists .

"They" are NOT the Muslim Brotherhood as you have asserted while offering the convenient and willfully naïve defense of ..."well...the OP told me so"

Ignorance driven Xenophobia and Bigotry and fear tactics aimed at the Muslim religion (or any religion) at large does nothing more than erode a founding pillar (Religious Tolerance) of this country. ..the same freedoms our soldiers fight for!...and thus furthers terrorist goals.

YES...disappointed...

a reply to: Indigo5

and now you have found why I don't author threads: I don't have time to dig in for research. That's why I come to ATS.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: samjonesy

In this day and age there is no excuse for your total ignorance. Spend twenty minutes reading about the ottoman empire which was the undisputed superpower of the world at that time and see how they separated church and state. See how much more advanced they were than you and your ilk in treating people with different religions.

Yeah someones's ignorance is truly showing.

The Armenian Genocide[7] (Armenian: Հայոց Ցեղասպանություն Hayots Tseghaspanutyun),[8] also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, traditionally by Armenians, as Medz Yeghern (Armenian: Մեծ Եղեռն, "Great Crime"),[9] was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of its minority Armenian subjects from their historic homeland within the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey. The starting date is conventionally held to be 24 April 1915, the day Ottoman authorities rounded up and arrested some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople. The genocide was carried out during and after World War I and implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and subjection of army conscripts to forced labour, followed by the deportation of women, children, the elderly and infirm on death marches leading to the Syrian desert. Driven forward by military escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to periodic robbery, rape, and massacre.[10][11][12] The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 1 and 1.5 million. Other indigenous and Christian ethnic groups such as the Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks were similarly targeted for extermination by the Ottoman government, and their treatment is considered by many historians to be part of the same genocidal policy.[13][14][15] The majority of Armenian diaspora communities around the world came into being as a direct result of the genocide.

en.wikipedia.org...

Someone's indeed. Its funny, over 500 years of Muslim rule and neo96 mentions the last 20 years when the Muslim sultan was overthrown by a secular young Turks movement in 1908. So when they got rid of Islamic laws and became more like Christian secularists , they were blamed for this atrocity. Hmmm, reminds me of christians genociding the native Indians in the America's. Also reminds me of Jews genociding palestinians.At the same time period 1 out of every 4 Muslims was killed as a result of those wars. Why isn't that a genocide? what? it's only a genocide if it makes Muslims look bad.? How can you expect minorities not to die when 1 out of every 4 people were killed because of Christians marauding Muslim territory???? Don't be a bigoted racist, Muslims are just as precious as any other group of people or religion.

According to Bruce Fein, your claims don't fit the bill for genocide according to Genocide Convention of 1948.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
www.history.com...
www.tallarmeniantale.com...
A lot of what I said can be found on the links posted. By the way, if students of mine cited wikipedia on their reports, I'd make them do it over.

Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

the end

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Appreciate the response. Apologies for knee-jerking my response and thanks for reminding me I need to get back to work

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Vaedur

You don't know what an Executive Order is and can do, do you? For one Executive Orders don't circumvent ANY checks and balances. And for two EO's have little to no power outside telling branches underneath the Executive Branch of government how to behave.

The whole point of Executive Orders is to bypass our system of Checks and Balances. Nice try. it takes it out of congresses hands. That IS circumventing them.

Now I do not believe that this Muslim Brotherhood thing will take over our country. I was just making a point.

Here is a good article on the topic so you can educate yourself www.usatoday.com...

originally posted by: Vaedur

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Vaedur

You don't know what an Executive Order is and can do, do you? For one Executive Orders don't circumvent ANY checks and balances. And for two EO's have little to no power outside telling branches underneath the Executive Branch of government how to behave.

The whole point of Executive Orders is to bypass our system of Checks and Balances. Nice try. it takes it out of congresses hands. That IS circumventing them.

No, the whole point of EO's is for the President to make overarching orders on how the Executive Branch is ran. Where exactly did you get the bit about going around Checks and Balances?

Executive order

United States Presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself. Executive orders have the full force of law when they take authority from a legislative power which grants its power directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made pursuant to Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).[1] Like both legislative statutes and regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution. Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging 72-hour length strikes on enemies, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes.

Notice that EO's are subject to judicial review? That's a check and balance. Notice that "major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch"? That's another check and balance.

Now I do not believe that this Muslim Brotherhood thing will take over our country. I was just making a point.

Here is a good article on the topic so you can educate yourself www.usatoday.com...

That article isn't saying what you think it is saying. At no point does it mention that EO's are being used to circumvent checks and balances. Also, the EO's that Obama signed don't really do anything. Have you actually looked at most of his EO's? They are all pretty much directions to various executive overseen agencies on what their priorities should be. Seriously. Educate yourself first. Everything you are saying is right wing propaganda and NOT how the government works.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

This Islamphobia is laughable. Good luck to them and there political party..

Worth watching from the 3:20 Mark...Hidden camera Muslim vs. Idiot vs. American Soldier

a reply to: TrueAmerican

Yeah? Why don't you start using it then? A political party with such a controversial name will not go unwatched. The very small membership this party will have here in the USA will not be athreat to anyone. This counrty was built on a wide variety of ideas, even ones that you don't like. That's what the USA's all about. Always has been. You don't like that? Maybe you and those that think like you are the ones we need to be afraid of.

originally posted by: amazing


And let's add to that. The American Military kills more children each year than Hamas does. That's a true statement and should be an eye opener as to how the world sees us.

Two heinous wrongs do not make a right!

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TrueAmerican

This Islamphobia is laughable. Good luck to them and there political party..

Laughable eh?

Listen to this Islamophobe says:

Bill Clinton On Politics Of Islam: Paris Killers Exemplify ‘World’s Greatest Double Standard’

Check this out


Bill Clinton On Politics Of Islam: Paris Killers Exemplify ‘World’s Greatest Double Standard’

dailycaller.com...



“If you come to our country, we won’t let you worship the way you want. We won’t let you say what you want. They won’t let you do what you want to do,” Clinton continued. “However we have come to your country, therefore we have a right to do whatever we want to do, including kill you if you make us mad.”

“It’s just madness,” the former president said. “I think it can be rooted out if, and only if, the modernizing Muslims, the Arab Emirates, for example, Oman, which has tried to be a force in moving away from this, will do what they should do

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TrueAmerican

This Islamphobia is laughable. Good luck to them and there political party..

Laughable eh?

Listen to this Islamophobe says:

Bill Clinton On Politics Of Islam: Paris Killers Exemplify ‘World’s Greatest Double Standard’

?????

He is calling out Middle-Eastern governments for being intolerant of other religions apart from Islam? Not suggesting that the West should be less tolerant?

How does that support your proud Islamophobia?

By his standard you qualify as the intolerant, just wearing a Christian banner.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

It is interesting. These people have immigrated from an oppressive country with a weak economy, trying to find less oppression and more economy. In the process, they end up suffering an oppression that they were ill prepared for (the subtle and no so subtle discriminations that arise as a result of their religion/ethnicity), and still not having economic advantages afforded them.

But there isn't really any hypocrisy. The government is not the people. The hypocrisy my be in the fact that the government is the church, and the church still has impact on the people regardless of geography.

While I disagree with President Clinton on the view of a hypocrisy, I completely agree with him on what will solve the issue: creating a moderate base from which to govern by creating a liberal movement in the Islamic world. Because if you can change the governmental perspective, the religious perspective will follow.

Something to consider: the US has a tendency to blow the holy hell out of stuff, and then loan money for rebuilding. Its a protection racket. In some cases, however, we don't have to blow stuff up. Because there is not much there. Africa has been oppressed by US interest rates for years. To bolster confidence to get more loans (which are skimmed/raided by unethical leaders) tax rates were increased. Tax rates, however, began to choke business which has destroyed any chance for emerging economies.

It is in Africa that radical religions have the greatest chance for expansion, and we are seeing that with Islam.

At the heart of all of this is US economic policy, enforced by US military machines.

a reply to: Indigo5

As I said earlier in this thread.

I make no GD apology for not liking a bunch of right wing neocons over in the middle east clinging to their guns, and religion killing people in the name of allah.

And I get slapped with 'Islamophobe' and that labels comes from the Republicanphobes,richphobes,gunphobes,bankerphobes etc.

As to repeat WHAT THE HELL EVER.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I make no GD apology for not liking a bunch of RIGHT WING NEOCONS thumping their Qu'ran'a, and clinging to their guns, and religion going around killing in the name of ALLAH.

And that makes me an 'Islamophobe'.

No..to be precise and true to the OP..

What "makes" you "an Islamophobe" is for making "no GD apology for not liking a bunch of " loyal Americans who vocally denounce and condemn Islamic extremists .....for no other reason than them being Muslims...and equating them falsely with the "Muslim Brotherhood" and pandering to bigots and Xenophobes with fear mongering.

Again...the USCMO (The US Council of Muslim Organizations) mentioned in the OP IS NOT the Muslim Brotherhood

There home page opens with a statement that is absolute and would warrant execution under Islamic Extremist rule..

The US Council of Muslim Organizations deplores the murder of James Foley and denounces ISIS

(WASHINGTON DC 08/20/2014) -- The US Council of Muslim Organizations (USCMO), a coalition of several leading national and local Muslim organizations, condemns the murder of American journalist James Foley at the hands of the so-called Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. We offer our deepest condolences to James' family and pray they will find comfort and solace during this difficult time.

The USCMO roundly condemns this group and rejects its ideology and actions. The terror organization, which is also known by the acronym ISIS, does not speak or act on behalf of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims. In fact, they have killed so many Muslims indiscriminately. Their actions are reprehensible, inhumane and completely contravene all aspects and tenets of Islam.

uscmo.org...

a reply to: Indigo5

I dont think you really know what your talking about.

originally posted by: Indigo5
Again...the USCMO (The US Council of Muslim Organizations) mentioned in the OP IS NOT the Muslim Brotherhood

Read on to find out why I say that....

The United States Muslim Brotherhood political party, the United States Council of the Muslim Organizations (USCMO), was established in March 2014, but its top leadership, including USCMO Secretary General Oussama Jammal, had launched into political activism long before then. As this report will demonstrate, that political activism by Muslim Brotherhood-linked operatives has the open support of the U.S. Department of State.

www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org...