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originally posted by: Expat888
Considering I dont go around butchering unbelievers or those who believe different .. I help those I see in need with no questions asked .. I dont condemn or discriminate against people due their sexual preferences ... I dont dictate to others how to live their lives .. so yes would say my way is superior over "christian morality"
could give many more examples but have things to tend to in real world .,
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: WarminIndy
Is it wrong to rape?
Is it wrong to murder?
Is it wrong to own another human being as property?
Is it ok to lie?
Is it ok to manipulate people for your own agenda?
I believe all those things to be wrong. All of those things the Abrahamic God did/does or commands others to do for him. My personal stance is that the Bible is very immoral but with some good teachings in it as well. Such as "do unto others", or in other words, treat people how you want to be treated. That may be the best piece of advice in the entire Bible. Though I don't attribute the words to God, but to men. I've never really thought heavily on morals or where they come from tbh. Is your argument that they come from God? If so he sure does one hell of a job leading by example. Is it good, in your opinion, to kill people for often times petty reasons? What about owning another human being as property? God does, evidently. I find that disgusting. I also find anyone who defends such moral perspectives as disgusting. So to answer one of your questions, I do believe I am more moral than the Bible.
originally posted by: WarminIndy
How do you know you are more moral than the Bible?
What is the moral standard you go by other than moral relativism?
Conundrum because you placed moral judgment which is impossible in the spectrum of moral relevance. So prove me wrong, can you do that outside of moral relevance?
originally posted by: OpinionatedB
All societies are different. In some societies it is perfectly socially acceptable to kill and eat your neighbor, in others it is acceptable to throw acid in someone's face who dishonors you, and the list can go on.
So, which society is the correct one to judge all by, and how can you make that determination if right and wrong is based solely on societal standards when every society is different?
Should there then be an absolute which transcends societal standards to which all should be held accountable through and by?
Have you been good without God? If so, then how do you know you have been good?
My personal stance is that the Bible is very immoral but with some good teachings in it as well. Such as "do unto others", or in other words, treat people how you want to be treated. That may be the best piece of advice in the entire Bible.
The Ethic of Reciprocity is older than we can know. In an early written expression, an Egyptian papyrus from the Late Period (c. 1080-332 BCE) records, “that which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another.”
Zoroastrianism, which the Hebrews encountered during the Babylonian exile, instructs “Do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself.”
Buddhism, originally a practice rather than a religion, teaches, “Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.”
Confucianism, a Chinese ethical tradition, says, “One word which sums up the basis of all good conduct: … loving kindness. Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself.”
Taoism, also originating in China, teaches, “Regard your neighbor’s gain as your own gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss.”
I have not reviled the God.
I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
I have not done what the God abominates . . .
I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.
I have not caused anyone's suffering . . . I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste.
I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage . . .
I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
I have not kept cattle away from the God's property. I have not blocked the God at his processions.
Egyptian Book of the Dead
1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.
Solon the Athenian. Solon 638 B.C.E
Which means that the Law of Reciprocity is universal.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: WarminIndy
Which means that the Law of Reciprocity is universal.
A collective, intellectually learned lesson in empathy realized after hundreds of thousands of years of natural evolution, that squarely places the burden of morality directly on the shoulders of the individual, subjectively. It forces one to ask oneself, "How, if it was me, would I hope to be treated?"..... is what it means.
"Do unto others....." appeals to one's sense of self preservation and selfishness, that leads to to the intellectual decision that altruism is good for the individual, because it's good for the community.