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originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: NOTurTypical
I think the bit about baptism was put in there so people would take a bath. In an area where water was scarce, I bet people smelled a bit back then. The smell of these people could have chased away demons.
Sorry for feeling slightly sick reading this spineless and frankly very thoughtless comment.
Please feel free to speak for yourself if you think you don't know what is good or bad but do not brush every non believer with the same brush as yourself.
I am almost scared of people who believe what you just said, because in the absence of a human written book with rules given to you, you may one day not know that killing is wrong, that hurting someone is wrong, that stealing is wrong etc.
and do all of the above...because...your book of rules is gone. Do believers not know what is bad?
Are there more people that think like that?
Give me Atheists at any time, they have no reason to pretend. They are just people. Some good, some bad, most somewhere in the middle; but at least when they do good, they do it because they ARE good and not because they HAVE to.
This dependence on all those gods [yes, there are more than one floating about and each one is supposed to be 'the one'], is an insult on our nature given intelligence. But I do understand that not everyone has any, so yeah, maybe they do need a book with rules.
Scary thought though, that there are humans who do not know good from bad by themselves.
originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: Entreri06
Atheists can Love but that doesn't change the fact that God is Love and he who knows Love knows God ( as said in John) . If atheists value Love and live through Love then they will come to understand it more and more (God will reveal more Truth and removdeception from them more and more)
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Entreri06
God has set a standard for who will and will not be with Him. That standard is perfection. In order to achieve perfection, He laid down the Law. The problem is that pretty much no one is perfect. To reconcile us to Him in our imperfection, He sent Christ. That is what the crucifixion and Resurrection are all about. They make it possible for us to gain Grace forgiveness and be reconciled to God.
In order for that to happen, you need faith. Faith in Christ. Faith in his sacrifice. Faith in the Resurrection and the possibility of your forgiveness and Salvation. Don't feel bad. The Bible makes it clear that this is not easy achieving this faith.
For everyone, there is judgment. If you are saved, you are judged and it won't be easy but you are also forgiven. But if you are not saved, judgment alone determines your fate, and you are judged by His standard - perfection. So, it is possible for an atheist to pass this standard I suppose, but how many of us can call ourselves, not matter how good we are in life, perfect?
Which of the two possible routes is the more likely? Answer that and you will know why believers say that faith is the most important thing you can do.
originally posted by: sweets777
a reply to: Entreri06
Dude your taking that way out of context.
If you got jesus in your life you will not want to do any of those things you mentioned.
I suggest if you got ?s about Jesus go read mathew mark luke or john .
And dont focus on murders and child molestation as a starting point.
originally posted by: sweets777
a reply to: Entreri06
Dude your taking that way out of context.
If you got jesus in your life you will not want to do any of those things you mentioned.
I suggest if you got ?s about Jesus go read mathew mark luke or john .
And dont focus on murders and child molestation as a starting point.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: sweets777
If you got jesus in your life you will not want to do any of those things you mentioned.
What if I don't want to do any of those "things" tend. To base there entire life but I still don't believe in Jesus?
originally posted by: sweets777
a reply to: NOTurTypical
i garuntee all these people who dog christains and the bible .
Have never read it for themselves and i doubt they spend much time with christians.
And all my point is the original post said how can jesus forgive murderes /child molesters well thats a ?
so is the ? about the child molesters or how jesus can forgive them .If its how jesus can forgive them then i say
go read mathew mark luke john.
Now that will mean you have to read it nnot belittle the people who have already read it.
But if it makes youu feel better about yourselfe to try to belittle people go right ahead jesus would and did put up with it too.;
originally posted by: sweets777
a reply to: NOTurTypical
i garuntee all these people who dog christains and the bible .
Have never read it for themselves and i doubt they spend much time with christians.
And all my point is the original post said how can jesus forgive murderes /child molesters well thats a ?
so is the ? about the child molesters or how jesus can forgive them .If its how jesus can forgive them then i say
go read mathew mark luke john.
Now that will mean you have to read it nnot belittle the people who have already read it.
But if it makes youu feel better about yourselfe to try to belittle people go right ahead jesus would and did put up with it too.;
The question is how can Jesus forgive a child molester and allow Entergy to heaven, but sentence the (say buddist or Muslim) kid to burn for all eternity? How could that be a benevolent god?
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Entreri06
The question is how can Jesus forgive a child molester and allow Entergy to heaven, but sentence the (say buddist or Muslim) kid to burn for all eternity? How could that be a benevolent god?
Children do not go to Hell. A person must reach an "age of accountability", meaning they must be able to comprehend that they have sinned and need a Savior. And that is even a metaphor (age), there are adults who aren't mentally capable of that understanding, the mentally challenged.
And the basis that God can justify the sinner who repents is that He has already poured out his wrath on all sin at Calvary. He doesn't do double-jeopardy. So when we ask for forgiveness for any sin it is forgiven on the basis that it was already judged and punished. God doesn't grade sins on a curve, to Him sin is sin. It all is unrighteousness.