French Islamic Terrorist Hostage Situation a Diversion for something else?

Ok, so the reports are that there are 2 locations with hostages now in France. It has me thinking that this was a planned event that may be leading to a larger event with this being the diversion. How much of the French police force is involved in these two situations at this time, and what is being left unguarded?

This would be a prime opportunity to either attack another location, or sneak someone/something into the country unnoticed I think. With a majority of the police force responding to a couple threats and high alert for the incidents that have occurred, would this leave room for another operation to be taking place as they are working on this one?

It says that the suspects from the Charlie Hebdo event are north of Paris...Saint-Denis is north of Paris and has the highest concentration of Maghrebi's in the area. I wonder if they have a planned action for something to occur. Could something be coming from the south that these two hostage situations are diverting attention from?

Just thinking out loud here really, but for two similar events to occur back to back is strange, unless one just decided to take hostages based on the earlier attack at Hebdo.

Anyone else think this could be a diversion for anything?

I mean, what if this was a planned attack in order to take down an icon of the French, such as the Eiffel Tower.....could you imagine what that would do? Just thinking aloud here again, but terrorists seem to like to make a big statement, and I would think taking down an iconic building, as they did in the US, would be a pretty big accomplishment.

Again...just running ideas out, but having two similar incidents in the same area at the same time is a bit odd to me.

I fail to see the rationale behind putting the authorities on high alert as a precursor to getting away with something. Most criminals wait until the authorities aren't paying attention to make their moves.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Anyone else think this could be a diversion for anything?

No , tragically I think this cigar is just a cigar , I also think it's a warning to the rest of us in Europe and further afield that this stage show could very well be heading to our shores sooner or later.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I fail to see the rationale behind putting the authorities on high alert as a precursor to getting away with something. Most criminals wait until the authorities aren't paying attention to make their moves.

Rationale would be diversion....draw attention away from the points you are trying to get to by having them pay attention to where you are. Done a lot in war.....flanking when attention is drawn by another group.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Wait, I think you have a point, I just thought the same few hours ago.

I just searched on google "drones at france nuclear plants" and look what I found:
November 9 of 2014.

An epidemic of mysterious – and potentially disturbing – drone flights over French nuclear power stations remains unexplained despite the recent arrests of three young model aircraft enthusiasts in central France.

The illegal flights by the tiny, pilotless helicopters, mostly at night, were initially dismissed as a nuisance. But a recent spate of five co-ordinated “visits” in one evening to nuclear reactors hundreds of miles apart has now placed the French government on high alert.

Surveillance flights by a terrorist group testing the security of France’s 19 nuclear sites have not been ruled out

three people, two men aged 24 and 31 and a woman of 21, were arrested close to a power station at Belleville-sur-Loire in Cher.

Edit:

the arrested three are believed to be copycats rather than members of the team which has organised the elaborate drone flights.

French government on high alert after unexplained drone flights over nuclear power stations
hum, very intriguing...
What you think about this?

a reply to: Vasa Croe

So what is your evidence for this being the reason? Or is it just wild arbitrary conjecture?

a reply to: NOTurTypical

The OP is simply asking a question?

Do you need evidence to ask a broad field question?

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: NOTurTypical

The OP is simply asking a question?

Do you need evidence to ask a broad field question?

You don't need evidence for a wild arbitrary conjecture.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

I am glad we agree then.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

If these attacks are anything other than cowardly attacks on freedom, then I would say that they resemble an attempt to test response scale and time, relative to the threat being presented. This could offer another cell, the intel they would need to pull something bigger off, using the information to establish where resources will be bought to bear against them, and what sort they might be.

If there is a next time, the police could find themselves walking into traps mob handed, having exposed their play book to scrutiny during the response to these attacks. That said, these attacks are serious enough in and of themselves to easily be considered the end point, rather than a means to an end.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I fail to see the rationale behind putting the authorities on high alert as a precursor to getting away with something. Most criminals wait until the authorities aren't paying attention to make their moves.

Rationale would be diversion....draw attention away from the points you are trying to get to by having them pay attention to where you are. Done a lot in war.....flanking when attention is drawn by another group.

You do know in wars, the soldiers are already on high alert. So using diversions is necessary. When you are dealing with a target that is in a peaceful state, they tend to be complacent. Any intelligent military advisor would advocate using that complacency to your advantage, not poking the bee hive first THEN making your move.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: NOTurTypical

I am glad we agree then.

Do we? I mean if we agree then why ask me the question? You could have just starred my first post.

I watched News Night last night and they were talking to a former French foreign minister. He was stating that all of this stems from Syria and we need to start bombing strategic areas such as airports and canon positions. So it appears they may be using this as an excuse to start bombing Syriain targets (not ISIS).

The presenter who was interviewing looked totally bemused by what he was saying and I must admit left me scratching my head.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Not sure if it's a diversion for anything or not, but I can tell you this, "FOX news is running it like the end of the world is near!".

So one thing I can say for sure, is that it is a crisis that the US government is not going allow to go to waste!

Eric Bolling stated yesterday that it is an example of why we need to "Over Militarize" our police departments!!!!

The Supermarket hostage situation involves the guy who killed a police woman yesterday and wounded another one.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

A police official told the Associated Press that a man opened fire in the market and declared "you know who I am." The assailant is believed to be a suspect in yesterday's killing of a policewoman on the southern edge of Paris. On Thursday, police released a photo of Amedy Coulibaly, the suspect in that shooting, as well as his accomplice, Hayet Boumddiene.

The net is closing , the gunman have chosen for this , there is no way out of a boxed in hostage situation , if they would want to make it out alive they would not take hostages when there are 9000 units looking for you.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I fail to see the rationale behind putting the authorities on high alert as a precursor to getting away with something. Most criminals wait until the authorities aren't paying attention to make their moves.

Tell that to Anders Breivik, it worked for him.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I fail to see the rationale behind putting the authorities on high alert as a precursor to getting away with something. Most criminals wait until the authorities aren't paying attention to make their moves.

Rationale would be diversion....draw attention away from the points you are trying to get to by having them pay attention to where you are. Done a lot in war.....flanking when attention is drawn by another group.

You do know in wars, the soldiers are already on high alert. So using diversions is necessary. When you are dealing with a target that is in a peaceful state, they tend to be complacent. Any intelligent military advisor would advocate using that complacency to your advantage, not poking the bee hive first THEN making your move.

Terrorists have proven time and again that they don't fight conventionally. If, as another poster pointed out, this is in relation to the nuclear sites, that could be a big problem.

Either way, this is strictly a thought on what could be going on....not trying to rationalize the terrorist mind.

originally posted by: TheGreazel
The Supermarket hostage situation involves the guy who killed a police woman yesterday and wounded another one.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

A police official told the Associated Press that a man opened fire in the market and declared "you know who I am." The assailant is believed to be a suspect in yesterday's killing of a policewoman on the southern edge of Paris. On Thursday, police released a photo of Amedy Coulibaly, the suspect in that shooting, as well as his accomplice, Hayet Boumddiene.

The net is closing , the gunman have chosen for this , there is no way out of a boxed in hostage situation , if they would want to make it out alive they would not take hostages when there are 9000 units looking for you.

Maybe the point is NOT to get out, but to have those 9000 units looking for you so your other terrorist buddies are able to accomplish the real goal.

a reply to: voyger2

Very interesting. I had not read about those drone flights. Any idea where they are in relation to the activities going on now?