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originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
originally posted by: Miccey
Old... Been know for ages....
Tell us how to get rid of it instead...
We build an advanced society and ban all forms of materialism & just make everything free for everyone. BAM done we evolve beyond the epic stupidity of materialism.
I think communism meaning no money is very good.
originally posted by: rickymouse
Money looks more like leaves to me, not roots.
originally posted by: Ignatian
"Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is The Christ. Whoever denies The Father and The Son, this is the antiChrist."
(1John2:22)
The LOVE of money is the root of evil. Greed. Idolized, therefore breaking several commandments, starting with the 1st.
Money is necessary, lets stay in reality.
Even Jesus reminded folks to pay their taxes. "Give unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar."
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
originally posted by: syrinx2112
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Hmm.
1. Money doesn't come with greed nor virtue.
2. Nowhere does it state *having* money is bad.
3. I find people without money make such claims.
4. If one is broke, it's ok. Just don't stay broke and focus on how.bad you have it and how lucky that person with money is.
1. I was poor.
2. lived in car
3. Went to public.school in Texas just for the free lunch program.
4. Seen rich people be so ugly.
5. Seen rich people.be so kind.
6. Too poor to go to college. Joined Army to pay for college.
I no longer live in a car.
I make exactly what I said I would make at my current age, and I want more. Now change my words from wanting more to *I can't stop thinking big.*
There is no greed, it's with a healthy and positive means, I have awesome plans that require $$$.
I wish people would hold themselves accountable and stop blaming a thing such as paper money.
***
but...but... the money made me lie, cheat, take 2000% profit, money made me shoot.that person, money made me rob. Horse crap!!!
originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
So some believe that money is evil or is the very form of the Anti-Christ.
The thought that money may be what is hindering our society to progress foward and use the abundance.
Whats holding back solar technology. . . Money
Whats holding back all technologies. . . Money
What is holding back the end of world hunger. . . Money
What are the causes of wars. . . Money
What divides society causing haves and have nots. . . Money
What is the very form of materialism which divides human beings. . . Money
What do people sell thier souls for. . . Money
What do people kill for. . . Money
What is holding back all progressive advancemt of our world. . . Money
originally posted by: Sparkymedic
a reply to: syrinx2112
So, your pointing out that money is an inert object that does nothing until put into the hands of humans? A bit of an over simplification don't ya think?
Indeed money is nothing without the collective psychology believing in it. But it isn't as black and white as "here is some money, now either choose good or bad to do with it."
Humans are products of our environments. If you are raised in affluence, you will likely take on traits of that corner of society, while also benefiting from a likely superior level of education. If you are raised in a ghetto, you will also likely take on those traits of that society. Yes, there are anomalies, but they are just that and nothing more.
So how does that have anything to do with a human being "bad" or "good"? Monkey see, monkey do. If you grow up and all you know is the thug life, then that is how you will be influenced. Money plays the part of the provider of positive actions and events. However, as money is the path to individual freedom through purchasing power in this society, there will be more people who will not have such positive influences as opposed to negative ones. Hence the downfall with the divide of rich and poor. The same goes the other way as I have already explained. And you will likely take steps to preserve or grow the sum of your wealth for your stratified social survival. Greed and virtue are quite subjective when placed in certain circumstances concerning quality of life. If you don't have a lot to give, chances are you still give, cuz you know what its like not to have. However if all you know is to have, then chances are you will not give. Its been proven in psychological tests.
The issue is not the people per se. The issue is the medium in which the peoples issues/ behaviors are born. Which is money in the case of our global society.
If we are not socially stratified through monetary means (materialism) how will we be socially stratified to them give us these behaviors? Because based on what you are saying, no matter if there is money or not, society will still be faced with equal amounts of abhorrent behavior.
I clearly beg to differ. If you can please provide reasons and examples of how and why you feel this way, pleas do so we can keep a good debate going.
Don't get me wrong, people will be people and in no way would doing away with money do away with all abhorrent behaviors. But it sure would help, a lot!
originally posted by: Sparkymedic
a reply to: NavyDoc
What is your point? That we are the same as before money? Socially and psychologically, yes. Your right. It's called social stratification. And now it isn't brawn which divides us, its money.
I think, for those of you who feel that a removal of monetary economics would just bring is back to the dark ages are missing the point.
The removal of monetary economics would not leave a void that couldn't be filled. You would need to replace it with something. My suggestion is a resource based economy. At this stage in the game, we no longer need money to keep society to this level, if not bring it further in development. Without money and with the proper management of finite resources, everyone on earth could live a high standard of living.
Never before has humanity had the internet, let alone claims by scinetists that fully functional AI will exist in less than a decade (it will happen), along with all the other awesome tech/ tech potential we have. Those points alone will never allow humanity to revert back to the dark ages, unless we do it ourselves with nukes or unplug the internet.
Do you really think bankers and politicians know how to solve crime, corruption, greed, poverty, war, hunger? No, if anything they are the ones fermenting these issues we all share as burdens in society. Clearly they have something invested in keeping the status quo. Why give it all to them? Why disempower ourselves like this?