Greenland's Ice Loss Now Comes from Surface

Scientists are once again sounding the alarm on the melting if Glaciers and ice loss in Greenland. While in some of the other parts of the world, the amount(s) of ice remain constant, in Greenland the melting trend continues.

Instead of losing ice where massive glaciers meet the sea, Greenland now sends meltwater rushing into the ocean via a vast network of lakes and rivers, according to several studies. The results do not mean that glaciers have stopped their speedy flow, only that surface melting now exerts a more powerful influence on ice loss, researchers said.

"We no longer see giant icebergs calving" from glaciers, releasing ice into the sea, said Lora Koenig, a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center, who led one of the new studies. "The majority of water is coming from surface melt.

More "Doom Porn!" Instead of only shrinking Glaciers now we have ice melt on top of that......I wonder what this means in the long term?

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a reply to: lostbook

We should all leave our refridgerators and freezers open, dumb scientists.

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement
a reply to: lostbook

We should all leave our refridgerators and freezers open, dumb scientists.

We really should get really long extension cords and move them to Greenland.... for better effect.

Maybe the weather will pick up again and the Norse will try farming again in the near future .The inconvenient truth showed large ice bergs calving and said we should worry now that they have reduced in numbers we should be concerned . Maybe we should just live in fear all the time and then that way we wouldn't need scientist to go through all that work to tell us . It must be true that misery loves company . All the best in the season ...peace a reply to: butcherguy

A refrigerator produces heat when cooling, i thought that was common knowledge

I had a talk with a couple of guy's from greenland i know, they come by denmark to get drunk for a month or two.

They told me that everything is changing up there, their hunting grounds are destroyed as the frozen land has become a swamp, imposible to navigate through, it's water everywhere where ice once were.

a reply to: Mianeye

What do they hunt?

a reply to: Mianeye

Yes. The net effect is that heat is added, because of heating of the windings of the compressor.

Hi Everyone,

It seems to me that despite some sources claiming that ice is not actually melting, we are witnessing a huge change in the North. However what strikes me is that there are a lot of news talking about ice melting in the Northern areas but not so much data about the melting in the Antarctica area, or am I wrong?

If the ice melting is due to a shifting in the magnetic poles, shouldn't both area be affected somehow?
If, on the other hand, the North is more subject to melting than the South, could this be originated by a "third party" activity up there?

Greenland is a continent the same as Antarctica...so what's the difference?

a reply to: PsychoEmperor

"It's Christmas, i don't want to anger Santa" and fox and of cource seal of shore, they are true hunters, but i don't know their daily rutine and what they specificly target.
They speak a mix of Danish and Greenlandish, so a lot of info gets lost in translation, and we drink a lot of beers...Skål

a reply to: the2ofusr1

At least people don't harp om HAARP as much anymore.

Ice "loss" (AKA-- melting) has been steady for a hundred years at about two mm per year. Despite every best effort to claim otherwise this trend denotes general warming trend on the Earths surface over that time period.

Satellite charting (recent)

Last hundred years...

I have a solution. I need everybody to chip in a couple bucks though to make it work... We can move my wife to Greenland, that ought to freeze everything back up nicely.

Kidding aside. I find it hard to believe scientists any more. One says one thing, the other contradicts. You can't get a concrete answer any more, and when you do it's refuted a week later by another scientist or group of them. It's actually quite frustrating because I believe many scientists have their own agenda to put forward rather than the truth. I'm not saying that is the case here, but it's definitely a possibility.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Mianeye

Yes. The net effect is that heat is added, because of heating of the windings of the compressor.

They are heat pumps. Heat is just transferred to the out side of the containment area. Yes, some additional heat is a byproduct of the electrical/mechanical functions.

Well its called Greenland for a reason. Thats right one time rich in lush vegetation.

Oh brother, they can't make up minds. First it's warmer water, now it's warmer air.

Sea ice is at its highest level since 1988, I presume the sea ice will make up the loss of Greenland ice?are there volcanoes on Greenland we have not been told about?

originally posted by: bronco73
I have a solution. I need everybody to chip in a couple bucks though to make it work... We can move my wife to Greenland, that ought to freeze everything back up nicely.

Kidding aside. I find it hard to believe scientists any more. One says one thing, the other contradicts. You can't get a concrete answer any more, and when you do it's refuted a week later by another scientist or group of them. It's actually quite frustrating because I believe many scientists have their own agenda to put forward rather than the truth. I'm not saying that is the case here, but it's definitely a possibility.

I take it your sleeping in the garage tonight? I would be after the wife thing :-)
On your second point I could not agree more with you my friend. I think its just a matter of whom is funding what study and to what end are they doing it for.

Just think of all the studies that are funded by who knows what entity that do not make the news because the results were unfavorable therefore its just toasted and a new study is funded.

Corporations and also Private individuals whom fund research have only one goal in mind and that is their profits or ideals....nothing more and nothing less IHMO.
To the OP
Nice thread and S & F
Regards, Iwinder

originally posted by: EnigmaAgent
Well its called Greenland for a reason. Thats right one time rich in lush vegetation.

Seriously is that a joke? I have seen that said a few times over the years by people that were absolutely clueless but I have also seen people say that as a joke. I can't tell whether you're joking or clueless. So I will not accuse you of either but just in case I will post how Greenland got its name.

The Vikings were a race of Scandinavians who settled in many areas of Northern Europe. Although they are commonly portrayed as bloodthirsty warriors who pillaged, raided and raped their way through much of Europe they also had a thriving culture. While it is true that many of them were violent and blood thirsty there were also Viking traders and explorers as well. image
They were able to explore much of Northern Europe using their famous long ships. The design of these ships was very different than many of the sailing vessels we are familiar with today. A Viking ship did not have a large keel like other sailing vessels did. This meant that it could sail in shallow rivers as well as at sea. Viking raiders were able to use their ships to penetrate inland and then attack outwards from there. In areas such as Ireland, this tactic proved to be exceptionally successful.image
One Viking in particular, Erik the Red was very good at raiding and pillaging. Although history is somewhat sketchy, it is believed that he discovered Greenland after being sent away from Iceland in exile. This was rumored to have been his punishment for committing murder. He was able to settle in Greenland and survive there for several years. Finally, his exile was ended and he found that he wanted to settle the island more fully. For that, he needed to convince others to come with him. Erik the Red is believed to have lived from circa 950 to 1003CE.
Of course, when you tell someone that they will be travelling with you to a place that is barren, cold and inhospitable you may have trouble convincing even a Viking to come with you. So instead, Erik (according to popular legend) called the island Greenland and instead painted the island as being a wonderful place to settle.
There are other theories as to how Greenland got its name. One theory is that the “green” in Greenland is actually a translation error. The word “grunt” actually means ground and it could be that Greenland was meant to be named Gruntland (or ground land).
The island has never been heavily populated. Much of it is covered by a sheet of ice. The only area that is not covered in ice is only clear because the air is so dry that ice cannot form. Many Native cultures have used the island as a hunting ground and several nations have used the island as a strategic launching point or a base during various conflicts and wars. ancientstandard.com...

Now as for the last time it was actually green.

The oldest ever recovered DNA samples have been collected from under more than a mile of Greenland ice, and their analysis suggests the island was much warmer during the last Ice Age than previously thought.

The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetles.

From the genetic material of these organisms, the researchers infer that Greenland’s temperature once varied from 50 degrees Fahrenheit in summer to 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit in winter—the temperature range that the tree species prefer.

www.livescience.com...

So in summary Greenland was discovered and named by Eric the Red sometime between 950 to 1003CE and the last time Greenland was actually green was between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago to top that off fossil evidence suggests that modern humans evolved in East Africa around 200,000 years ago, since fossils more than 150,000 years old are known from Ethiopia and Kenya. As you can see there is no possible way Greenland was named for being green at any time in mans history that means Eric the Red was a propaganda artist and that may be one of the worlds first and greatest conspiracies devised.

a reply to: Grimpachi

So in summary Greenland was discovered and named by Eric the Red sometime between 950 to 1003CE and the last time Greenland was actually green was between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago to top that off fossil evidence suggests that modern humans evolved in East Africa around 200,000 years ago, since fossils more than 150,000 years old are known from Ethiopia and Kenya. So as you can see there is no possible way Greenland was named so because it was green at any time in mans history so Eric the Red was a propaganda artist and that may one of the worlds first great conspiracies devised by man.

Agreed, thanks for that extensive and informative post.


Regards, Iwinder

a reply to: Iwinder

No problem. I am thinking maybe I should save that post to a document because as I said that certainly isn't the first time I have seen that statement on ATS so next time I can just do a copy paste when it is made again.