This is Why North Korea Should Not be Underestimated

a reply to: daaskapital

I don't buy it. Having hackers means nothing. If SHTF...and a real fighting starts...they would get knocked out in first round. It actually depends on how serious the US would be.

The tech alone gives the US too much advantage for anyone to take on.

I think it is incredibly ignorant to think NK couldn't do some real damage.

Fact is, if they ever did decide to attack the US they wouldn't go in head on, but more likely they would target structures that would cripple the western economically. For example, they wouldn't even need to shut down the Persian gulf for more than 24 hours to completely cripple the whole world economy.

I personally think there warning should be taken seriously, you think 911 was hard to deal with. That was purely emotionally crippling. Just imagine what a country like NK could do to physically cripple our way of life. A whole country of people that would be proud to die for there country, you don't want to mess with that kind of mentality, imo.

a reply to: daaskapital

I heard that North Korea does it hacking through China connections.

I do not think they should be underestimated either...I think they are planning more cyber attacks...possibly a huge power grid one.

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: daaskapital

I don't buy it. Having hackers means nothing. If SHTF...and a real fighting starts...they would get knocked out in first round. It actually depends on how serious the US would be.

The tech alone gives the US too much advantage for anyone to take on.

Just like you knocked vietnam out? .......o wait no you didnt.....

Well one thing has been made perfectly clear in this thread, that only about 3% of the posters so far understand how cyber attacks work.
The other thing is, that it is fascinating to see just how many people on ATS now sip from the propaganda koolaid cup, staggering is the word i should use.
I first saw that pump up photoshop rocket pic on fox before it even became a meme, As for the OP, Sony offended the DPRK peoples culture that is undisputed, hey Americans were pissed off enough and arrogant enough to introduce a bill basically saying they can arrest anyone, anywhere in the world for posting # they deem offensive on the internet.
so where are we at, we have a group of people that dont know anything about their enemy beside what the state run media machine has told them and they are totaly believing them on this but not on other topics??
They totaly believe the propaganda the government tells them about the enemy even though they dont believe anything else it tells them??
They have no idea of the targets net worth, the targets total assets, the targets divisionary function, or even what other intrests politicaly the target is engaged in at this time behind closed doors even though it is a global elite company worth ove 7billion dollars annualy.

a reply to: crazyewok

that was way back...we are talking 21 st. century...

...and it wasn't "us"...it was US.

I'm European.

a reply to: daaskapital

How is it you are equating cyber hacking a corporation as the same as being able to damage America? Just because a few hackers can breach Sony's security doesn't mean that NK secretly has the tech to take on America. Sony gets hacked all the time. Remember a few years back when a DDoS attack took down the PSN?

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

I try to think what they can do, but most of the time my answers are stuff that would end up in a fiction thriller since I don't believe NK has the capability to do anything serious to us. They say they will attack us all the time, yet never do. I'm sorry, but they are just full of hot air.

originally posted by: Trueman
Sony should answer giving the movie for free online instead of sh#t in the pants.

But that would be too communistic.

One of the reasons Sony won't do that is that the motive behind corporations are just as sad and toxic as North Korea's pathetic threat for a global sea of fire.

I am really not a conspiracy theorist, I do deny ignorance but find conspiracies in the main a little too out there to make me feel ignorant.

However, this North Korea hacking crap is ridiculous. I don't know if it's the Conspiracy Theorists actually thinking that North Zkorea are capable of hacking even a primary school or the West saying that NK hacked Sony but in either case they haven't and they aren't.

A while ago, some military footage emerged of NK military drills and their super computer had a 80's trackball and co-axial cable coming from it.

They hardly have super fast broadband, major satellite comms or a culture of computers from birth, in fact I wonder if anyone outside the military has a PC?

Why does that matter? Well they are hardly a progressive nation that would allow millions of children through to adults unlimited access to the web to be able to self learn and nurture programming and hacking capabilities.

I would also imagine they are massively throttled by ancient copper comms with maybe 2 or 5 links to china. Hardly the infrastructure for denial if service.

So if you are thinking NK are hacking Sony I recon you are wrong.

But then if you think it's a false flag and the US are blaming NK then they must think we are fookin stupid.

Could China be doing it and using NK as a proxy?? Surely then the US would know NK isn't capable and therefore point the finger at China??

I don't know, but I find it odd.

a reply to: Britguy

That's exactly it. A few days before the release Sont will grow some balls and go "we will release it anyway! America rah rah rah!" And everyone will run out to see it over some sense of extreme patriotism. Meanwhile north Korea will probably get a nice check for playing along.

a reply to: remotev1

North Korea is laughable and the fact that they take such offense at a bad movie is hilarious! This shows how menial they are. It's ridiculous.

Yep and this one time a country with a big massive army thought the same about some goat hearders is some caves.

Never under estamait an apponent even when they are bat sh.. Crazy.

YAY Lil' Kim!
Keep up the good work!
I despise Seth Rogen and his movies.
Too bad NK didn't block his previous POS as well.
I hope they put the kibosh on any future Rogen Crapaganda.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I agree. And I don't think they have the capability of the level of hack that took place. At least not the capability to completely cover themselves. I may be underestimating north Korea but they have proven in the past that they just a bully to south Korea.

They remind me of Stewie on Family Guy. Hell bent on world domination but keeps getting distracted by their on toes.

The only reason north Korea is dangerous is because lil kim is crazy!

Just think.

In one day, North Korea managed to make a movie by Seth Friggin' Rogan one of the rarest and most sought after movies of all time.

Not Casablanca, Not Citizen Kane, but a freakin' stoner comedy about two idiot reporters ordered to off a dictator with chronic cheese ankle.

I weep for this planet.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yeah, if it came down to a world war 3 scenario the US could wipe them off the face off the earth eventually. It gives me great confidence that the Aussies main defense strategy is just to always to back the US no matter what. But just remember they do own 78 submarines and could cripple the world economy if they really wanted, it wouldn't be like fighting the primitive Iraqi forces was.

But also, when it comes down to cyber attacks, they have Russia and China as Allies, who could easily be subcontracted into assisting them without ever getting own there hands dirty.

But having said all that, personally I think Sony should have never given into the threats and should have just shown this movie in every cinema in the US and the western world.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yeah, if it came down to a world war 3 scenario the US could wipe them off the face off the earth eventually. It gives me great confidence that the Aussies main defense strategy is just to always to back the US no matter what. But just remember they do own 78 submarines and could cripple the world economy if they really wanted, it wouldn't be like fighting the primitive Iraqi forces was.

I wouldn't worry too much about their navy. They may be able to hold up some economic shipping lanes for a while, but all their tech is seriously outdated. I wonder how well they'd last against modern submarine detecting technology/procedures.

But also, when it comes down to cyber attacks, they have Russia and China as Allies, who could easily be subcontracted into assisting them without ever getting own there hands dirty.

They really only have China as an ally. Russia really doesn't want anything to do with them, and even China has a leery eye on them. I wouldn't count on either of those countries backing NK if the country decided to go postal on the world. Too much to lose economically for both of those countries over a backwards country. For one, China backing NK in a war would cripple their economy since it is largely reliant on exporting goods to America and that would shutdown pretty quickly in a war.

But having said all that, personally I think Sony should have never given into the threats and should have just shown this movie in every cinema in the US and the western world.

Damn right they should have. But hey, they are a private company. They can do whatever they want, even be giant cowards.

a reply to: daaskapital

I don't buy it. North Koreas cyber warfare unit would be as effective as a twelve year old with a gameshark.

However a more worrying scenario would be if NK was being used as a proxy or a patsy by more prominent factions, TBBH the US regime is as popular as a fart in an elevator at the moment so it could be possible that this 'North Korean' threat is not what it appears to be.

All the sanctions that been applied to NK and yet not a peep out of them. However, a silly film with a laughable plot upsets lil Kim so much he sets the dogs on Sony.

I said in a previous thread that we are led to believe they are an isolated backward country, so why would a film, which will obviously not be shown in NK, get them all upset? it just doesn't make sense, it's not like the population will ever get to hear about the film, so to claim it is a big insult to their culture doesn't fit imo.

I think this is probably a Sony publicity stunt, which has got us debating the damage NK could inflict on the cyber World. There's a film plot in there somewhere.

governments always send out workers to infiltrate and learn from other countries. these people remain loyal to their home countries and just amass data and tech from their competitors. in a world, increasingly socialistic (whether communist or fascist, matters little as it is literally the same thing when the mask drops) , north korea is not some isolated anomalie - it's part of the club.