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"Bownie points in heaven"....Do you really have to mock Christ like that? Jesus told us that those servants who serve Christ faithfully will inheret cities and blessings in eternity. Remember the Parable of the Talents?
I think that the part, ". . . we have fellowship with one another . . .", in the preceding verse has to do with what sort of confession the writer of 1 John is talking about.
1 John 1:9 was a direct order for Christians to confess their sins to God. The result of citing our sins is being cleansed of unrighteousness. We confess our sins because Christ made us a kingdom of Priests. Confession is a priestly function. Each individual believer in Christ is a priest who represents themselves to God, hence my title Believer-Priest.
Dying for our sins (which the Bible does say) is not the same thing as saying that Jesus died to pay for our sins (which the Bible does not say).
"Books on systematic theology" is just so much theories and I would recommend not trying to follow those as if they were the Bible.
I don't agree with that. We are spiritually dead in our sins. The first step God does is open our spirit up to even be led by the Holy Spirit. Unregenerate unbelievers had no desire in their own flesh to do the will of God. Jesus' call to the 12 was first to conversion before He ever called them to discipleship. Sanctification shouldn't be confused with salvation/justification. Any book on systematic theology expresses this truth of scripture. Sanctification has a definite beginning at regeneration.
It does not justify a complete fabrication of something that stands above what it explicitly says.
I agree with what you said Paul was writing about. But also there was a spiritual truth being taught to all Christians by the Holy Spirit in that passage.
originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: NOTurTypical
It does not justify a complete fabrication of something that stands above what it explicitly says.
I agree with what you said Paul was writing about. But also there was a spiritual truth being taught to all Christians by the Holy Spirit in that passage.
Yea you are not understanding the question asked to Jesus, "Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? " What shall who do? We. Not God We. They are asking what actions should they preform to do God's will. He says believe in the on he has sent. Our work to do God's will is to believe in the one he has sent.
Actually your wrong. All the Gospels tell us Gods children can't live the way they are supposed thus our need for Jesus.
Second, This interpretation verse 60-63 makes no sense...please point out where Jesus is telling them how to live....
Verse 47 Verse 50 both of those still say only He will get you to Heaven it has nothing to do with works. There is no way to read that into these verse unless your being grammatically ignorant of the sentence structure and diction.
I agree, and all he ask is that you trust in Him and spread the word.
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Christ left the bread metaphor and spoke directly in verse 63 you really have to twist Scripture something hard to get your ideas.
Believing is not an action...
He said FOLLOW ME...
Jesus said eternal life, which is starting now, when you believe. The only promise of resurrection was for those who did good deeds in a selfless manner.
Im sorry, but what the hell are you talking about? Im really starting to believe that you are making this nonsense up as you go along. Jesus promised His believers resurrection...that was the basic reward for faith. From that point, the more faith-works you produce, the greater the reward.
I wouldn't be saying things that I didn't believe, so I suggest you get over that.
I dont think you honestly believe what you are spouting.
I do plenty of offending, so my gospel would then, by your standard, be true.
You are hiding from the truth that Christ revealed because the gospel offends the fallen nature of man.
I already believe all that part. I don't understand why you assume and claim that I don't. I just don't go along with your inserted corollary, that it was making a payment for sins, which is not taught in the Bible, and to the contrary, says a lot of things that would go against that idea.
If you ever hope to see peace in the afterlife, you will realize that Jesus died for your sins, and that your passage into heaven is dependent on His works, not yours.
When did I ever say anything like that?
As long as you hold your works higher than His, you are believing and spreading a false gospel.
Sure it is, it's a present tense verb.
Correct, but that was His call to discipleship[/]. That came after His call to salvation. All believers are called to discipleship.
Things that you "lay up" is not rewards or presents but things that you already have and then do something with.
"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal." ~ Matthew 6:19-20
Paul is making an analogy. He does not expound on it to make it into a description of some sort of ceremony that everyone is subjected to.
"10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. 11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." ~ 1 Cor. 3:10-15
What action is belief?
perhaps but while he was actually speaking to people he meant it literally... As in Sell everything you own and follow me
No one is teaching me anything, and these are things that I learned from reading the Bible with an open mind and not prejudiced with man made doctrines.
Somehow, you have convinced yourself that up really means down, and that down really means sideways. I dont know who has been teaching you these lies, but you need to wake up.
Mental I suppose.
don't disagree with that. That's what disciples did with their rabbis. But it WAS His call to discipleship. Their faith made them accept His call.
That is not "Jesus", which was the topic, what Jesus said.
I have no clue either. The Word says every man will be resurrected, some to everlasting life and others to everlasting contempt.
"15 having a hope in God, which these men themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust." ~ Acts 24:15
This says nothing about anyone believing in one thing or another.
"28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment." ~ John 5:28-29
SO...It wasn't their faith... it was God working in them that made them accept his call...
This says nothing about anyone believing in one thing or another.
That is an interpretive way to translate the verse.
HIS death, atoned for OUR sins. It doesn't any more clear than that.
Hey man u are free to believe whatever you wish (pun intended), but "believe" is clearly a verb as I linked, and verbs are actions. So that's all I can do, "believing" is a present tense verb, it's an action.
Man that's the Christian doctrine, that faith is a gift from God. Yes, it is the Holy Spirit that gives faith and compels action on that faith.
"Anyone", singular, meaning "any person", so it does not mean anything like "everyone".
Well, the verse we are talking about doesn't "explicitly" limit it to Paul, he says "anyone". So he himself didn't limit it to himself.
You seem to be making a straw man here.
Those verses reject your claim, that only certain people will be resurrected. That's more like a Jehovah's Witness doctrine. And the verses also show that resurrection is not the "reward" the writer was talking about. It's not a reward if everyone is resurrected.