How weird is this? Possibly billions of parents lie to their children about a mytical being. Not g

originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
a reply to: droid56

Christmas is all about conditioning and socialising children into the corporate system. Things make you happy. Mommy and Daddy must compete and get into as much debt as possible so you are better than your neighbours.

I don't celebrate Christmas. There is nothing truly Christian about it. It is a horrible time of people pretending to be nice when the rest of the year they behave like (well I will not say).

Christ would hate the way we do it. The red and white thingy is a figment of imagination. I would not want any child of mine believing in crap like that, no matter what age.

Happy Christmas...NOT.

ps. Please remember that MOST people in the world do not celebrate Christmas. They just tolerate the decadent West acting all capitalist and pretending they are so compassionate and charitable.

Hypocrite.

If you don't believe me just analyse how many loan adverts there are on TV right now. You know the crazy loans with huge Apr rates.

It is a lot of hype and silliness with some nasty consequences for the poor who try to live up to the hype that these stupid societies impose upon them.

Hang Saturnalia. It has nothing to do with Jesus.

EDIT; Day two of giving up smoking. Abort, abort, have turned into a psycho.

NUTHER EDIT; Did Christ say "Do this in remembrance of me"? No he bloody well did not.

How typical. A joyless Christian advocates crushing joy in children. And then you wonder why your imaginary friend is losing popularity like a you-know-what in a punch bowl.

originally posted by: droid56
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

It's still a lie. Lying isn't something we should be doing when talking to our children.

Wait just a damned minute here!

Then what about the malarkey with Easter and the zombie cave dude? Which is worse here, a nice guy who gives everyone, adult & child alike, a gift, or the ancient poster boy for the zombie apocalypse getting his own holiday?

You can't be for real if you're willing to overlook more outrageous stories & bigger horse-crap lines from religions in favor of an annual gift giver being worse.

When I was young 7 or so my mom asked me what I wanted to ask Santa for Christmas. So I wrote on the paper to give my sisters what ever they wanted for Christmas, I had everything I wanted. I found out Santa was not real about the age of 9 or 10, but I never cared if he was real or not. I just loved the whole atmosphere of this time of year. I love the Christmas music, I love Christmas plays, the movies on TV, and the joy of watching people open presents. I don't like getting stuff, never have but I enjoy going out and spending my money the way I want on giving gifts to my family. I actually enjoyed it so much that a character I played on an online game was named SANTA.

The TV ads can go away, black Friday and all the hot item toy crap. I don't care about that.

My daughter is 15months old and some of her gifts will say from Santa on them, and some will say from mommy and daddy. I will pass down this tradition to her and my other kids (if we have more). To me its not about lying to my daughter, its about the wonderment of being a child. I normally don't change my patterns to much to helping others, I will give my last dollar to someone else if it helps them, food off my plate and the clothes off my back (except in winter I need my hoodie at least).

Christmas to me is about being around my family, giving gifts, eating awesome food and just sharing our love for one another. Sure we can do this at any time during the year and we do. We have 2 dinners a week (1 with my dad and 1 with my mom). All my sisters show up with their kids. So to me Christmas is just an extension of this.


Merry Christmas everyone (take it for what you want) And Have a Safe and wonderful new years eve/day

This is a lot like the boy who cried wolf, the kids get older and learn that santa isn`t real, easter bunny isn`t real, tooth fairy isn`t real, how do you then convince them that god or jesus is real?

do you tell them " yeah I lied about all those other invisible characters being real but you can trust me this time the invisible character god really is real, trust me!"

do you really think that they are going to trust an admitted serial liar?
To quote that eloquent orator and ex president Bush Jr:
" fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and ...erm...huh...hmmmmm...erp... well you won`t fool me again"

a reply to: droid56

you can call me a stupid kid if you want but I was actually heart broken when I found out Santa wasn't real, I think mostly because I didn't think my parents would lie to me so blatently.

originally posted by: Tardacus
This is a lot like the boy who cried wolf, the kids get older and learn that santa isn`t real, easter bunny isn`t real, tooth fairy isn`t real, how do you then convince them that god or jesus is real?

do you tell them " yeah I lied about all those other invisible characters being real but you can trust me this time the invisible character god really is real, trust me!"

do you really think that they are going to trust an admitted serial liar?
To quote that eloquent orator and ex president Bush Jr:
" fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and ...erm...huh...hmmmmm...erp... well you won`t fool me again"

Why would you WANT them to believe that Jesus is real? I should thing the Santa thing would prepare them to do some serious questioning when it comes to Jesus (and for good reason). Or are you suggesting that parents save the lying for the Jesus whopper?

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
Belief in Santa Claus is idolatry. BTW, my favorite Christmas movie is "Rare Exports," which shows us the real, pagan Santa, not the "Coca-Cola Santa."

Imagine that, Santa, a beloved figure, is pagan in origin. Sounds fine to me.

Actually, when you put it all together, it is clear that Santa is a magic mushroom priest. Consider his colors, the same as a certain red & white magic mushroom, consider the flying (high!) reindeer, and compare with the fact that the shroon's active ingredient is passed in urine (eat the yellow snow). Reindeer are known to eat those mushrooms, and thus people in the North learned to also. Now you know what the original presents for all the boys and girls were...

www.shamanswell.org...

www.dosenation.com...

originally posted by: Lazarus Short

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
Belief in Santa Claus is idolatry. BTW, my favorite Christmas movie is "Rare Exports," which shows us the real, pagan Santa, not the "Coca-Cola Santa."

Imagine that, Santa, a beloved figure, is pagan in origin. Sounds fine to me.

Actually, when you put it all together, it is clear that Santa is a magic mushroom priest. Consider his colors, the same as a certain red & white magic mushroom, consider the flying (high!) reindeer, and compare with the fact that the shroon's active ingredient is passed in urine (eat the yellow snow). Reindeer are known to eat those mushrooms, and thus people in the North learned to also. Now you know what the original presents for all the boys and girls were...

www.shamanswell.org...

www.dosenation.com...

Well said. Of course, this will explode a few heads.

I've noticed this thread and have been weighing up whether or not to join in. It's starting to occur to me that finding out from older kids that Santa and the Tooth Fairy weren't real is what made me, too, question the 'official' version of everything.

It's hard to remember what my thought processes were when I was very small - I think it was possible to believe two contradictory ideas and not see that there was a problem.

I mean, if you're sleeping lightly hoping for a visit from the Tooth Fairy and you become vaguely aware that it's your Mum slightly lifting up your pillow looking for your tooth, you can put two and two together. But even so, just because the Tooth Fairy didn't come that night it doesn't mean she's non-existent.

Same thing at Christmas, you become aware that it's your Mum sneaking into your room to put your Christmas stocking on your bed but you can still think 'Santa's been'. And that phrase can still sound magical, even today. After all, there were more presents downstairs under the tree, even if they were all signed from your relatives.

Maybe I thought that my Mum knew Santa and the Tooth Fairy and had just come into my room with coins and presents at their behest. That I would have to wait until I was a grown-up before I'd be allowed to meet such magical beings.

So anyway, the big kids take that delight that only big kids can take when they disabuse small children of their illusions and you start to think of them as the fount of all wisdom. They'll tell you the stuff that the grown-ups don't want you to know.

Next thing you hear is some garbled nonsense about the mechanics of sex and that religion might not be true, either.

By then, you're used to being a bit naughty and finding stuff out that you're not supposed to know. The question of religion caused me a lot of thought over a few years and I'm not sure if I would have taken to questioning it so readily if I'd not got used to the idea that alternatives to the official story actually make more sense. Not saying that to knock people who do believe - we're all entitled to make sense of the world in our own way.

I wouldn't want to deny any little kid the magic and wonder of Christmas - even though I've grown up to dislike it intensely.

A couple of years ago I was walking past the local church and all the little ones from the school across the road trooped in - dressed up as shepherds and angels etc. in order to enact the Nativity Play. They were excited and I could imagine how their parents would react to their performance - a mixture of pride and hysterics, I thought.

So I wonder if it's possible to read stories of Santa and his reindeers to kids in the same way as we'd read them any other story. They'd know it's just a story, but their parents could still play a game of make-believe with them at Christmas. I knew the old guy in the department store wasn't the real Santa but it didn't stop me from being excited about going to see him.

And I'm not so mean as to object when anyone wishes me a Merry Christmas - Season's Greetings, everybody