Is Islam the posterchild demonstrating why old dogmatic belief systems will fail in future time

Islam is giving a black eye to all other notions of organized religion. No anticipation by the creator of the dogma that time/place is relevant.
Some dictums are based in philosophy; Buddhist, Confucius traditions that do not speak of a 'god' creator, Hinduism--pagan.
Others, Moses (Yahweh or the highway) and Mohammed (Incha Allah) name a god force; as Jesus (Paul's invention of Christianity) never wrote anything! would put him in the classification of "that ideology which only describes a brotherhood of trusting ones neighbor" (don't rape/pillage my village) category (a deep thinker regarding the higher realms of consciousness, just chose not to go into any detail); a philosopher (Plato self stylized with a spiritual bent). Significant belief system inserts (by physical humans) within those time periods to change paradigms; why have'nt any new manifestos (Epistles) been written in this century (watch out for the Romans).
The document is Poetic (a well written interesting enough abstract that can span all ages/the key: time; and if the human still reads).
The document is a useful tool to bind the human to a dogmatic principle; therefore can be exploited through veiled threats regarding the state of the eventual ownership of yours truly's eternal soul (or buys into it).
The Document can be warped as a useful tool to bind the human into a belief system (there is no escape Sharia Law is imposed).
Someone neglected to tell the writers of these documents that there was a 'time' element/format attached; that as each decade or century progressed, acquiring/claiming the attention of the 'reader/worshiper" had to become intense (more rules, tithes; no water boarding).
Decay is a naturally occurring thing. If an idea or a specie has NO useful purpose it will cease to be (poof) as is not profitable to the Absolute Unbounded Oneness. I think the Organized Religion experiment is approaching a tipping point and Islam may be the boomerang factor exposing the potential weaknesses of all old patriarchal systems of belief (corruption, invalidity, not resonating with the present frequencies THEY CANT ALTER). Faith is an individual choice entirely personal and no longer is it required to be 'systematized' but "individualized" to that particular spirit seeking its OWN enlightenment.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Yahweh represents the division of the complete nature, both male and female. Satan is the clever accuser. Adam is the creation of Genesis 1 (Eohhim as Father and Ruach Elohim as Mother). Seen in this light, anything emerging from Yahweh, including Abraham / Israel / Ishmael, are divisions mirroring the first division. Ishmael is yet another division. Satan is then the accuser in the process. This is the goal of the Demiurge to attempt his own creation as an archetype of the first. The reason to keep the creation divided upon itself is to maintain control of the light. If given the chance to rise back to truth, the light would leave on its own, but in an unrefined state. Confusion and division maintains the rule of the Demiurge as the refinement of the light reaches an end.

The Christ of the New Testament is from the light. The Demiurge is from the darkness. Death and destruction are his mark. Both Christianity and Islam are divisions from Abraham, but the image of each is created by Yahweh to maintain control. This system was defeated by the cross, which allows the light to freely rise. 3 Days to raise the temple back again. 2000 years have passed (2 days). The last 1000 years is the enlightenment of the light so to speak. We are made holy, then once again tested by the Demiurge.

Elohim promised the rainbow blessing, which is ALL nations. Yahweh used one nation to continue dividing us against ourselves. We are the light (Adam) from the Pleroma. Adam is the Son of God, here to recapture the light from the Demiurge. He paid our cost. We are Adam. Yahweh is our self-righteous mind. Satan accuses us of sin. Yeast makes bread rise. It's the process of refinement called baptism, or involution and evolution. The veil keeps us from knowing the process. All of it is the will of the Father and Mother to divide the darkness from the light. Free will requires us to choose the light / giving and receiving, which is the will of the Father and Mother.

By allowing the prodigal to be a demuirge, he allowed space for him to return a new creation. The wilderness / image / matrix of reality provides the material.

No matter what happens here, it is for a greater purpose if you choose the light. When Islam cuts off the head, they remove their pathway out of this place. The same goes for any individual who chooses darkness. The Head is from the light. Darkness is the division from unity. Free will demands our choice.

No need to condemn any one ideology or individual. We are all part of the same process. Light will leave this place. Darkness chooses to stay of its own free will. The light is the gift we can choose.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Religion in general is the scourge of humanity, IMO.

Sure, it can be a good thing sometimes, i mean look at how it drove ancient man to accomplish what we consider today as almost impossible *megalithic structures*, but then again you have to look at how many people have slaughtered, and been slaughtered in the name of religion.

The only true religion is pastafarianism - may the flying spaghetti reach down and bless you with his noodly appendages. Ramen.

Religion has decayed because it is something given to the human being who curropt anyhting it interfaces with eventualy...

Until the nature of humans becomes free of this corruptive impulse it will taint everything it touches.

Particularly religion since it has an added corruptive element in it called clericalism, an institution by its very nature that is corrupt.

People condemn religion but it’s just a theory on a piece of paper from some Holy book, its human beings who do evil not an inanimate theory on paper.

People do evil based on politics, should we blame politics?

They do evil based on racism, should we condemn nature for creating different races?

Science has prduced the greatest threat to the very existence of humankind in the form of nuclear energy, I don't hear people condeming science.

Religion isn’t to blame. Its human beings who are to blame for any evil that comes from religion.

When you do not find the information you need you seek elsewhere.

But I do agree that the ones who seek will in the end find something.

If you play around with spiritual techniques to help people symbiotically and are told by fundamentalist religious people "that I am wrong to do this" since their dogma have no information on how the techniques works and comes from other sources then you stop listen to the religious crowds and go where knowledge can be gained since spiritual knowledge and experience trumps faith.

Namaste

originally posted by: 8fl0z
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Religion in general is the scourge of humanity, IMO.

Sure, it can be a good thing sometimes, i mean look at how it drove ancient man to accomplish what we consider today as almost impossible *megalithic structures*, but then again you have to look at how many people have slaughtered, and been slaughtered in the name of religion.

The only true religion is pastafarianism - may the flying spaghetti reach down and bless you with his noodly appendages. Ramen.

Snack Ramen is good as a cheap eat (its readily available) and an instant source of sustenance. As a metaphor, you don't have to spend hours after seasoning the spaghetti sauce; organized religion can be thought of the same way (an easy fix); instead of looking within for the answers (a complicated recipe); its provided for you. Those megalithic structures are a head scratcher, (Elohim created?/lifted with magic wands). There is an undeniable penchant *by those invaders or self described enlighteners (for your own good)* of destroying entire civilizations in the name of the 'righteous truth' (do not think the acquisition of gold and land and rubber trees was just a happy coincidence). Oh there is that other small thing; gaining a source of free slave labor.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
When you do not find the information you need you seek elsewhere.
But I do agree that the ones who seek will in the end find something.

If you play around with spiritual techniques to help people symbiotically and are told by fundamentalist religious people "that I am wrong to do this" since their dogma have no information on how the techniques works and comes from other sources then you stop listen to the religious crowds and go where knowledge can be gained since spiritual knowledge and experience trumps faith.

Namaste

It is not easy; this self seeking (SELF) is the key word here; as it is *individualized* to the particular 'gamer'. It is better to taste the Ramen, then reject that flavor and move on to a Knorrs instant spaghetti dinner product; at least you are developing a sense of discrimination (Malkuth: first sepiroth on the tree of life). You make a great point; if you are not into the specific "dogma" of that religion (I REFUSE TO CALL IT FAITH BASED) you are wrong or not enlightened to that particular insight of that idea form (What?! a negative is introduced here and this is not a good thing). A tactic of "fear based" instruction is a tangible sign something is amiss; (whatever you do, don't go it alone you NEED OUR HELP).

Regarding the op subject in particular.

There is a big difference between overly exoteric dogmatic depravities like ISIS or Christian fundies or ANY fundamentalist mentality, particularly the kind that supports coercion of any form.

A Hindu fundamentalist murdered Ghandi, so its not just one religion

If it is some wise people exposing the evils of religion it is the fundamentalists being exposed who are into coercive religion: follow my way or die or go to hell.

Esoteric minded paths, usually, not always, (they have their nuts too like the guy in Japan, but very few) are more humane, tolerant and don’t practice coercion theology that is epitomized by the ugly horrors and evil of ISIS.


The ONLY good coming from all of this should be pointed out: that is people gaining insight on the psychology of religion and its levels.... ALL religious people shouldn’t be lumped with the extremists.

originally posted by: Willtell
Religion has decayed because it is something given to the human being who corrupt anything it interfaces with eventually...
Until the nature of humans becomes free of this corruptive impulse it will taint everything it touches.

I agree, its within our nature to mess with concepts (take an advantage, acquire a fortune doing so if there is a loophole somewhere to be exploited). I am not sure 'organized religion' was given to us; more so it was leveraged upon us as a yoke to bear (so explains our determined efforts to thwart, corrupt and make gains). Titan vs Goliath vs David. Some say we have 'free will' so its allowed to misbehave; as in thrive by whatever means. Religion would like us NOT TO DO SO (systems of rules).

Willtell: Particularly religion since it has an added corruptive element in it called clericalism, an institution by its very nature that is corrupt.
People condemn religion but it’s just a theory on a piece of paper from some Holy book, its human beings who do evil not an inanimate theory on paper.

As a cleric you have power and the institution (or edification) to back it up. Clerics and the others that formed that belief system are human as well and live with an elevated sense of themselves. Whatever writings exist that form a belief system is just theory as you say (some more magical than others).

Willtell: People do evil based on politics, should we blame politics?

They do evil based on racism, should we condemn nature for creating different races?

Science has produced the greatest threat to the very existence of humankind in the form of nuclear energy, I don't hear people condeming science.
Religion isn’t to blame. Its human beings who are to blame for any evil that comes from religion.

But again, humans interpreted or recreated Gods word (all dogmas are involved here). The Catholic church is the Zenith point as describing a political entity with great influence. Science is just trying to explain/demonstrate tangibly the physical world. Polarity is allowed (it is a must), and evil is the opposite of good (supposed to balance out).

a reply to: Willtell

True that there are issues with eastern religions too doing the same thing. Below is one example on how a person feel that people are taking part of their faith/knowledge in Hinduism and discarding the rest not giving Hinduism credit for Yoga for instance.

www.faithstreet.com...

I normally think of this as people who are more interested in the map that the directions the map can give.

originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

Yahweh represents the division of the complete nature, both male and female. Satan is the clever accuser. Adam is the creation of Genesis 1 (Eohhim as Father and Ruach Elohim as Mother). Seen in this light, anything emerging from Yahweh, including Abraham / Israel / Ishmael, are divisions mirroring the first division. Ishmael is yet another division. Satan is then the accuser in the process. This is the goal of the Demiurge to attempt his own creation as an archetype of the first. The reason to keep the creation divided upon itself is to maintain control of the light. If given the chance to rise back to truth, the light would leave on its own, but in an unrefined state. Confusion and division maintains the rule of the Demiurge as the refinement of the light reaches an end.

I still have a small problem regarding the 'Demiurge' and what exactly this thing is. If it has been so thought about and became/manifested into an actual being, when did it 'pop' into the human consciousness? I thought it was just the sneaky "doubt factor" (could be faith based doubts), or that which causes PURE THOUGHT AND INTENT to become a handicapped non player. What I mean by this is that every thought form carries an energy; and if one were to send a 'love based '(prayer as best example) it becomes mute, tainted impure so has no effect upon the ether.

AlephBet: The Christ of the New Testament is from the light. The Demiurge is from the darkness. Death and destruction are his mark. Both Christianity and Islam are divisions from Abraham, but the image of each is created by Yahweh to maintain control. This system was defeated by the cross, which allows the light to freely rise. 3 Days to raise the temple back again. 2000 years have passed (2 days). The last 1000 years is the enlightenment of the light so to speak. We are made holy, then once again tested by the Demiurge.

Yes, Master Jesus is fully nine dimensional. Here is the Demiurge brought up again (THE CONCEPT OF DOUBT ONLY not a real being). I am glad you brought up the theocratic divisions of Abrahams sons (one produced the belief system of Judaism the other Islam). This is rarely talked of.

AlephBet: Elohim promised the rainbow blessing, which is ALL nations. Yahweh used one nation to continue dividing us against ourselves. We are the light (Adam) from the Pleroma. Adam is the Son of God, here to recapture the light from the Demiurge. He paid our cost. We are Adam. Yahweh is our self-righteous mind. Satan accuses us of sin. Yeast makes bread rise. It's the process of refinement called baptism, or involution and evolution. The veil keeps us from knowing the process. All of it is the will of the Father and Mother to divide the darkness from the light. Free will requires us to choose the light / giving and receiving, which is the will of the Father and Mother.

Yahweh sounds like "The Little Prince's" author. Maybe Machiavelli reincarnated. I am not certain Satan accuses us of sin as much as It encourages us to partake in the debauchery (cheerleading).

AlephBet: By allowing the prodigal to be a demuirge, he allowed space for him to return a new creation. The wilderness / image / matrix of reality provides the material.

No matter what happens here, it is for a greater purpose if you choose the light. When Islam cuts off the head, they remove their pathway out of this place. The same goes for any individual who chooses darkness. The Head is from the light. Darkness is the division from unity. Free will demands our choice.

No need to condemn any one ideology or individual. We are all part of the same process. Light will leave this place. Darkness chooses to stay of its own free will. The light is the gift we can choose.

We are all prodigals to some extent? and allowed to have 'doubts'. The brotherhood of the light/white is strong. Will Islam cut off its own head as they do others so irreverently? Are they removing their path by every murderous act? As we are all of the same process, can we let darkness go its own way YES (after all they chose the path), accepting their suicidal doom as THEY OWN IT.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

On the topic of Beheading: Esoteric Meaning of ISIS Beheading Jesus

originally posted by: Willtell
Regarding the op subject in particular.

There is a big difference between overly exoteric dogmatic depravities like ISIS or Christian fundies or ANY fundamentalist mentality, particularly the kind that supports coercion of any form.

A Hindu fundamentalist murdered Ghandi, so its not just one religion

If it is some wise people exposing the evils of religion it is the fundamentalists being exposed who are into coercive religion: follow my way or die or go to hell.

I was speaking of a tipping point (as in the differences do not matter anymore) the fulcrum of the teeder todder collapses, as being witnessed now. Any organized religion is going to have radicalized offshoots (Branch Davidians, FLDS, Science Fiction becomes Scientology, ISIS). This phenomenon is describing a common flaw or potential for exploitation (of the human) within that belief system. I do not think any of them (organized) are impervious to this naturally occurring thing called (fool or outsmart the human and take as much of their money as possible). Walt Disney's vision of an organized imaginarium 'children's theme park' could be an example of religion at its best (he is just selling the concept to believe everything is possible).

Willtell: Esoteric minded paths, usually, not always, (they have their nuts too like the guy in Japan, but very few) are more humane, tolerant and don’t practice coercion theology that is epitomized by the ugly horrors and evil of ISIS.

The ONLY good coming from all of this should be pointed out: that is people gaining insight on the psychology of religion and its levels.... ALL religious people shouldn’t be lumped with the extremists.

Sun Yung Moon was a Good GUY (oh he was Korean maybe). I suppose my point was general: Isis has come forward to express the potential of true Evil existing within a distorted version of the Q'uran. I like Mohammed as a teacher leader for his people (in that place and time) and feel for him having to watch his vision being so diabolically twisted. Thank you for your insightful thoughts, particularly the importance of gaining insight.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: Willtell

True that there are issues with eastern religions too doing the same thing. Below is one example on how a person feel that people are taking part of their faith/knowledge in Hinduism and discarding the rest not giving Hinduism credit for Yoga for instance.

www.faithstreet.com...

I normally think of this as people who are more interested in the map that the directions the map can give.

Thanks much for this link.

I love reading Deepak Chopra intellectually annihilate this Hindu dogmatic

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Thank you for your thoughts as well.

It’s a fact that not ALL fundamentalists are coercive, I think that’s the line of demarcation of whether it’s dangerous or not.

Indeed, the Wahhabis of Saudi are supposedly on our side against the extremist, their brother Wahhabis.

In other words people can believe anything along the dogmatic religious matrix as long as they don’t practice coercive religion.

I think most of us can agree with that.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

Thank you for your thoughts as well.
It’s a fact that not ALL fundamentalists are coercive, I think that’s the line of demarcation of whether it’s dangerous or not.
Indeed, the Wahhabis of Saudi are supposedly on our side against the extremist, their brother Wahhabis.
In other words people can believe anything along the dogmatic religious matrix as long as they don’t practice coercive religion.
I think most of us can agree with that.

Fundamentalists (in general) think they have the better concept of the belief system they have anchored themselves to. In so doing can alter or take the tenants of that belief and warp them to suit their whims (this is about manipulating others easily/not having to expend too much energy explaining the intricate fine points). The Mormon Bible is a good example of bypassing the Judeo/Christian Bible (both testaments!) just fabricate your own hotel/motel version of an Epistle/testament (Gideon's) and have the funding to place them (who wrote/funds the Gideon's bible). What is a Gideon?
I suppose things become dangerous when innocents/kidnapped are beheaded by ISIS and outsourced to youtube as an information medium (beheadings eventually replace CAT MEMES) and no one blinks.