Senate CIA Torture Report Released: "Mismanaged Dungeons"

a reply to: neo96

Nobody cared? Sure they did. This current incarnation rests on modern Presidents though. Should we ignore the ugliness of it in order to point fingers? They are all guilty. Does Clintons guilt make GWs less? Does GW's guilt make Obama's less? No. We the People are guilty too, our ignorance and laziness enables our nation to operate this way. Enough is enough or status quo. Which is it Neo?

a reply to: Kali74

Actually no it doesn't.

Hell it goes back to the GD 40's.

www.thedailybeast.com...

The question people should be asking is when has the US not tortured.

Zero Dark Thirty was nothing more than wet cement laid over an official story. Same as the Flight 93 movie. They like to set these stories in stone (or film emulsion). More people watch movies than read the news, you know...

They tortured people, raped, sodomized, murdered-- whatever it took to build a stack of fake evidence to support a false connection between 9/11 and Iraq, so they could lie their way into a long war.

a reply to: neo96

Even if so.
Should it happen?

It simply amazes me how you US people turn this into a partisan thing once more.

Just like you made your police state/-brutality problem about racism.

A truly united nation you are.

i wonder if people who have no qualms about intentionally misleading the American people, lying to Congress and the whole world to get us into war in Iraq... People who would have no qualms about torturing people to gain false Intel on their false war... Do you think they MIGHT also have no qualms about that whole 9/11 thing in the first place. Or is the New Pearl Harbor they so famously wrote about a year prior to 9/11 the ONE coincidence in a long trail of lies and deception.

I wonder...

a reply to: ColCurious


The only person trying to make it partisan are the shills attempting misdirection.

"It's politics"

"This is nothing new"

"This has been going on way before Bush"

These are attempts at misdirection. Ignore them. Don't even engage.

originally posted by: ColCurious
It simply amazes me how you US people turn this into a partisan thing once more.

Just like you made your police state/-brutality problem about racism.

A truly united nation you are.

If it's not "partisan", that might mean the CIA "owns" both political parties.

If that's the case, why would the CIA even allow this report?

a reply to: xuenchen

They didn't. It came from a whistle blower.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Aazadan

No, but humanly speaking?

And actually, immunity from laws only applies if it was done by private contractors. Any government employee and or military personnel is bound by US law and codes of conduct/ethics.

That depends. US citizens are required to uphold US laws while not on US soil (a law that I don't believe any other nation requires) however if you don't give the prisoner legal standing you neatly avoid that whole issue. If you don't legally recognize someone because they've been branded a terrorist then there's no legal penalty for doing anything to them.

a reply to: Kali74

Doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks.

Hasn't stopped for over 60 years, and doesn't look like it is going to stop anytime soon.

This was linked earlier:

Whilst the Obama administration has tried to distance itself from some of the harshest counterterrorism techniques, it has also said that at least some forms of renditions will continue.[78] Currently the administration continues to allow rendition only "to a country with jurisdiction over that individual (for prosecution of that individual)" when there is a diplomatic assurance "that they will not be treated inhumanely

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Zero Dark Thirty was nothing more than wet cement laid over an official story. Same as the Flight 93 movie. They like to set these stories in stone (or film emulsion). More people watch movies than read the news, you know...

They tortured people, raped, sodomized, murdered-- whatever it took to build a stack of fake evidence to support a false connection between 9/11 and Iraq, so they could lie their way into a long war.

And some conspiracies about that too...

White House / Sony Conspiracy ? What !!

a reply to: neo96

Doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks.

It most certainly does matter.

So when are you going to adress your #ing problems? You know, in order to fix them?

Right after you solved your left/right/black/white/dem/gop/class-related dissensions, right?

Yeah, right. Meanwhile your Overlords are laughing their asses off.

a reply to: Kali74

, it has also said that at least some forms of renditions will continue

If that was true then rendition would stop .

It hasn't.

Hell it's going on right now.

Somewhere.

originally posted by: neo96
Because for over 40 YEARS nobody gave a snip about 'torture' until the Bush administration.

Something wrong with that picture.

Um, people have always cared about torture. That's why people have been so upset that Bush would try to make torture legal. That they would use tactics that were previously deemed ILLEGAL.

Yes, something VERY WRONG with that picture.

a reply to: neo96

Maybe because most people did that thing people do when there's nothing concrete to go on. They think ugh that's horrible if true. Well now it's true, you think this isn't going to become something people speak out against? It will be.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: xuenchen

They didn't. It came from a whistle blower.

That's even more suspicious isn't it.

Hmmm.

Controlled Opposition comes to mind.

originally posted by: neo96
Doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks.

Hasn't stopped for over 60 years, and doesn't look like it is going to stop anytime soon.

It only doesn't matter if you don't speak up. Don't like it? Get involved with politics, start local. Don't like the two parties? Join another, start your own local branch of it if you have to.

You might not change things on your own but if you don't like it you have two options. Do nothing and accept it, or do something and don't.

And this should prove that nobody should ever listen to Dick Cheney again.

He repeatedly said that water boarding produced phenomenal results that led to the capture of Bin Laden.

As Maury Povich would say..."...and the report determined THAT was a lie."

That leads to the question of how much information and how friendly Dick Cheney was to Bush...Not to be trusted though.