Arizona Cop Caught on Cam Brutally Attacking Teen Girl While Mother Begs Them to Stop

a reply to: Grovit

me too, man, me too.

I think OP is just angry at the way of things and is trying to fight it the way he thinks is best. Which isn't actually best, but he doesn't realize this. He's not lying and isn't sensationalizing. He actually believes what he says. Meaning I think he might just be a bit shell shocked after waking up perhaps? idk but I was expecting a smack down brawl as well.

But yeah lesson is: don't punch a cop b/c you won't like what happens to you lol

I think it's not that hard of a rule to respect. The cop isn't wrong in this case.

a reply to: rukia

i think the OP has a serious hatred for the cops and i think the OP thinks that if he says something is this way or that, then it should be taken as the gospel.
my opinion on it

It really distresses me that there are so many people who are fully willing to accept this kind of behavior from police, can find dozens of excuses for it, and castigate those who disagree with such violence. When did it become the accepted thing to take only one side of a story, that of police, and dismiss anything that might contradict them.
I suppose you won't get it until it happens to you or yours.
If these cops were being righteous why would they try to delete the video?
I don't advocate violence against anyone---not even scumbag cops who beat on people because they can. But until those who still have working brain cells left in their skulls step up and stop their brothers and sisters in blue, the non-violent ones are going to be be carrying the shame for their lack of actions.
What sort of person in uniform would stand and tell that mother that the cop would have been justified in shooting her daughter dead? Think about that---what sort of mind is reflected in those words to a distraught mother?

a reply to: diggindirt

When did it become the accepted thing to take only one side of a story, that of police, and dismiss anything that might contradict them.

Oh please. The opposite is what usually happens.

originally posted by: diggindirt
It really distresses me that there are so many people who are fully willing to accept this kind of behavior from police, can find dozens of excuses for it, and castigate those who disagree with such violence.
huh. what should the cop have done then? what could she have done that would have been ok? taze the girl hitting on her? would a taze be better than a blast to the jaw? i dont understand. people want non lethal or less than lethal methods to be used and that is what happened. she used a less than lethal technique. the cross to the jaw. hey, it worked to. from there she did not keep wailing on her. she was being held down. bfd



When did it become the accepted thing to take only one side of a story, that of police, and dismiss anything that might contradict them.
what should we accept? the video that does not show the start of the confrontation or the op link that does not explain it was a female cop and she was being attacked. that had to come from another source and from another poster. looking for a source with more info did not fit the op agenda



I suppose you won't get it until it happens to you or yours.
me and mine dont attack cops...goes a long way in preventing a cop from blasting you ali style



I don't advocate violence against anyone---not even scumbag cops who beat on people because they can
except this scumbag cop did not beat on anyone. this cop was getting attacked and she popped her attacker in the mouth and that stopped the attack



What sort of person in uniform would stand and tell that mother that the cop would have been justified in shooting her daughter dead? Think about that---what sort of mind is reflected in those words to a distraught mother?

i didnt catch that if it is in the video. maybe that person wanted the mother to get it through her dumb ass kids head that you cant attack the cops. i unno
you think

a reply to: Grovit

the first was good, that cop was hookin & jabin, kickin to.
i thought the dog custom was the best, or maybe the one where the guy's homie drove off and left him.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie

the first was good, that cop was hookin & jabin, kickin to.

best part for me.
cop even stuffed him with a couple muah thai knees.

i actually enjoyed that...the cop didnt go for the weapons or anything and im sure he could have.
prob just wanted to see if he could tune that guy up one on one, no weapons.

you still here onequestion?

a reply to: Grovit
I'm a big fan of trying to talk to people before grabbing them in an aggressive manner. But it is obvious that I won't change your mind on the matter. You can attempt to justify violence all day long and you won't change my belief that violent aggression should NOT be the initial approach to any situation, especially in a teenaged person.
The cop is the adult here. She should have acted like an adult, not like a bully.
Why would the people who witnessed this incident lie about seeing the cop punch the kid before the video started?
From the video it seems that the person shooting the video began as a result of seeing the punches...and considering what has been coming out lately, who could blame them?
Sir, I could provide you with a long list of people beaten, robbed, shot and otherwise abused by LEOs simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. (I've listed several of them in another thread. www.abovetopsecret.com...)
My prayer is that you and yours don't ever encounter one of these beasts because it won't matter how docile you are...

originally posted by: diggindirt

I'm a big fan of trying to talk to people before grabbing them in an aggressive manner. But it is obvious that I won't change your mind on the matter. You can attempt to justify violence all day long and you won't change my belief that violent aggression should NOT be the initial approach to any situation, especially in a teenaged person.

fair enough. and youre right. im not going to change my mind.

you say before acting aggressive.
ok.
this cop was getting punched and kicked?
what do you think would have been the best course of action.

i want to see where you are coming from because when you are getting attacked, you have to do something.

now if the video had shown the cop brutally attacking her after she was clearly down and not attacking the cop anymore, i can see the issue.
the cop rocked hr and it stopped her from being hit. from there she was being held down?

what would have been better?

a reply to: Grovit
Having shared my home with more than half a dozen teenagers over the years, I know that the worst possible course of action when a teen is enraged, hurt or afraid is to grab them. Hormones and adrenaline will put them into something like temporary insanity, even children without mental illness issues. Police are supposed to be trained to deal with all different sorts of people in all sorts of situations. I've never been to a police academy but all my cop friends were trained to talk, talk, talk and listen, listen, listen and de-escalate.

If you have a video of the cop being kicked and punched, I'll be glad to take a look at it. Otherwise, I'm going to have to conclude that it's another case of, "She was coming at me..." the standard excuse that LEOs trot out when caught being bad.
Do you not hear the shock in the voices of the people in the video saying, "She just punched her in the face" just after the video begins? Who punches a child in the face?
And yes, I've been punched at by an distraught teenager. I somehow managed to dodge and never felt the need to attack the child, throw him to the ground and put my weight on him. I was the adult. Why can't cops act more like adults and less like schoolyard bullies?

a reply to: diggindirt

so since you didnt see it in the vid you are going to assume it didnt happen and not give an answer?
gotcha

im would very much like to know what she should have done seeing as she was being punched and kicked.
just humor me and assume it was happening ok.

you were punched at and you dodged it...fantastic.

so shy of bobbing and weaving while hoping not to get struck, what do you think would be the correct course of action?

im all for the jaw rock. i think that is less severe than a taze or pepper spray..

would have have preferred the kid get sprayed.

no sympathy from me. she was attacking the cop. she got rocked.
done and over.
you can assume it didnt happen but i will believe that it did.

a reply to: diggindirt

I'm a big fan of trying to talk to people before grabbing them in an aggressive manner.

did you even read the second article, where it says the cop tried to talk to her.

from the second article posted by thesaneone on the first page.

According to a police statement, the female officer, whose name has not been released, attempted to stop the girl by reaching for her arm after three attempts to talk to the teen were ignored.

and in that aricle there is a link to this article,

"You have to react, you have to protect yourself. You also have to make an arrest,'' Flores said. "She admitted to punching the officer in the face twice, right in front of her mother.''
Mesa police explain altercation with 15-year-old girl

so does a cop have the right to defend themselves, and control a person who is acting crazy?
also as in most of these videos they never show the whole thing only what the person posting it wants or the point where they come up to see what is taking place.

a couple of other points made in the 2nd article, the mother had the girl committed on the scene when firefighters trained to handle psychiatric issues arrived. dollars to doughnuts the mother was yelling at the girl to stop seeing how she called 911 for help to begin with.

second according to the police the guy refused to let them see the video and lied about the it, he said he had technical difficulties with it and then later gave it to a tv station and lied again saying they tried to delete it.

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: Grovit
Having shared my home with more than half a dozen teenagers over the years, I know that the worst possible course of action when a teen is enraged, hurt or afraid is to grab them. Hormones and adrenaline will put them into something like temporary insanity

yeah, if you say so. i have 4 younger brothers. i was 18 when they were still teens.
they would get into it with each other and go into this temp insanity thing you call it.
then i would put it on them and they chill right out.
everyone has their ways i guess.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: diggindirt

I'm a big fan of trying to talk to people before grabbing them in an aggressive manner.

did you even read the second article, where it says the cop tried to talk to her.

from the second article posted by thesaneone on the first page.

According to a police statement, the female officer, whose name has not been released, attempted to stop the girl by reaching for her arm after three attempts to talk to the teen were ignored.

and in that aricle there is a link to this article,

"You have to react, you have to protect yourself. You also have to make an arrest,'' Flores said. "She admitted to punching the officer in the face twice, right in front of her mother.''
Mesa police explain altercation with 15-year-old girl

so does a cop have the right to defend themselves, and control a person who is acting crazy?
also as in most of these videos they never show the whole thing only what the person posting it wants or the point where they come up to see what is taking place.

a couple of other points made in the 2nd article, the mother had the girl committed on the scene when firefighters trained to handle psychiatric issues arrived. dollars to doughnuts the mother was yelling at the girl to stop seeing how she called 911 for help to begin with.

second according to the police the guy refused to let them see the video and lied about the it, he said he had technical difficulties with it and then later gave it to a tv station and lied again saying they tried to delete it.

Awesome, that about rounds out this story to be a complete hoax.
The video takers were liars and glory hounds and the psychotic girl got committed by the mother who stood there in the video.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

All I can say to you is that I'm glad I don't live in your world and I'm glad I don't live in Meza, AZ.

I saw what the cop did to the girl. It wasn't right in my view.
I wouldn't want someone doing that to me so I can't condone it being done to another person.
The cop has every reason in the world to lie and say she tried to talk to the child....she wants to keep being a cop. But she'd better learn some new techniques because walking up and grabbing people in an aggressive manner just puts the cop in unnecessary danger.
I watched a cop follow a guy, just talking to him, walking along the sidewalk, not yelling or screaming commands or obscenities at him, while the guy walked in circles in a parking lot. The guy was drunk and disorderly, wildly disorderly. He was 17 years old and his girlfriend had just disappeared off the face of the earth. The cop didn't know these circumstances but he was astute enough to see that the kid was in a world of hurt. Under the law, I'm sure he could have just run up, choked him down, and hauled him off to jail. It would have been the legal thing to do.
This cop instead decided to do the right thing and talked to the kid and listened to him. He talked softly to that kid and finally got him to sit with him on the curb and tell him what was making him want to wake up the neighborhood. He was able to take all that anger and frustration from the kid, leaving only the crying, grieving drunk, pitiful kid.
After the incident was over and the kid was home, tucked in bed by his parents (they'd arrived while the cop was on the curb with their son), I went out to express my appreciation and respect for the officer's handling of the matter. He thanked me and told me that the neighbor who had called in the disturbance wasn't so pleased. It seems she thought it would be a good thing for the kid to spend a night in jail because he had disturbed her peace. He chuckled as he said, "I don't guess she's ever had a hangover like that young pup is going to have tomorrow. Seems to me that making him wake up in jail in that condition would have been cruel and unusual punishment."
I wrote a letter of appreciation to the chief of police the very next day because that's the kind of cop I want out there on the streets of my town. A cop with critical thinking skills and compassion.
My solution to start addressing the police brutality issue? It comes from a retired police chief: Start drug testing these cops for steroids as well as pharmaceuticals each and every time one of these violent encounters occur. If an athlete can be banned from sports for taking them, then the cops should be treated similarly. Let's see how they like having a drug war turned on them.
I wouldn't know how to guess what percentage of the problem cops would be weeded out by a policy like that but I'd be willing to say it would make a real difference in the number of violent encounters.

originally posted by: Grovit

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: Grovit
Having shared my home with more than half a dozen teenagers over the years, I know that the worst possible course of action when a teen is enraged, hurt or afraid is to grab them. Hormones and adrenaline will put them into something like temporary insanity

yeah, if you say so. i have 4 younger brothers. i was 18 when they were still teens.
they would get into it with each other and go into this temp insanity thing you call it.
then i would put it on them and they chill right out.
everyone has their ways i guess.

You've made my point quite well. Thank you.
Children do things like that. Hormones are violence in chemical form and in some teenagers the levels can go nuts and so does the kid---to differing degrees. They do and say stupid stuff when this happens and act in barbaric ways. That's why parents are adults and have to step in and sort it out.
By the time you are old enough to be a cop you're dang sure old enough to be able to control your own mixture of hormones and adrenalin and recognize the condition in others. Think critically and act with compassion. It's what adult, civilized people do.

a reply to: onequestion

Regardless of what the article says, as a full grown man i would never ever touch a woman like this.

Firstly, do you know why she was being restrained? Do you?


Hmmmmm as a fully grown man that is where YOU draw the line? After reading your other threads that confuses me immensely!!

You always exaggerate each of your threads when you post your cop bashing posts. Never the absolute truth with your posts...but what should we expect?

a reply to: TinfoilTP
Well, I suppose the Mom called the cops to get control of her because she knew that if she did to her daughter on a public street what the cop did to the kid, she'd be hauled off to jail and her daughter would be committed or in jail with her. Guess she was just trying to avoid the lawyers' fees, eh?
This is a child. Punching a child is wrong even if that child is punching you. She was 15 years old. At what age is it okay to punch a child in the face? Would 12 be too young? How about 6? What about a big, rowdy 4 year-old just kicking the crap out of you?
It may be "legal" but it is still wrong in my opinion.

a reply to: diggindirt

What does your cute Andy Griffith story tale have to do with the fact the mother had her committed on the spot? No, the way you are downplaying this as just teenage harmones is not how it played out. This hoax was presented as clear cut police abuse when nothing like that is clear at all.

a reply to: TinfoilTP
I'm trying to tell you that I don't want to live in a world where cops can brutalize children and call it self defense.
I don't want to live in a place where police can brutalize anyone and call it self defense.
Cops are supposed to be adults and act like adults. Punching a kid in the face is wrong in my world. Calling it self defense is the way of the coward. It means the adult has lost control of the situation. It happens. But it is still wrong.