You Can’t Detox Your Body. It’s A Myth.

a reply to: Thebel

Actually, the evidence for milk thistle is inconclusive. Your liver does a brilliant job repairing itself of its own accord in any case (it's the only organ that can regenerate).

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

Define "toxin" is specific, measurable terms.

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

If you want to support intellectual honestly, you should address specific toxins and specific treatments.

If anyone thought I am saying not to hydrate with water by posting the article which does specify what treatments are being exposed then they would be mentally deficient and no amount of specification on my part will help them. Be honest. You know exactly what specific treatments this is about.

No one has said that hydrating with water doesn't have benefits. Water is not an expensive treatment unless you are into homeopathy which is an entirely different subject which I have no interest in.

originally posted by: snowspirit

Eat your veggies, and real foods without massive amounts of chemical preservatives, and the bad health will be replaced by better health.

Came in to say ^^that^^ but you beat me to it

Its sad that we live in a world where contaminated food is considered *normal* food.
I stick to organically grown food as much as possible.


Hey Grimps, maybe SOME of the detoxes dont work, but what if SOME do? Surely its better to try than to just keep adding to the poison?

a reply to: VoidHawk

Because you might end up poisoning yourself with that detox method.

a reply to: VoidHawk

Hey Grimps, maybe SOME of the detoxes dont work, but what if SOME do? Surely its better to try than to just keep adding to the poison?

Maybe some do work. If they do then the manufacturers of them should be able to provide evidence. Right? They should be able to name exactly what they detoxify and that should be measurable. Scientifically.

I am sure that Edzard Ernst an emeritus professor of complementary medicine at Exeter University would be happy to verify those results if any of the manufacturers of the cleanses put them forward.

If people want to try them then that is fine it is their money and their bodies. This is simply an informative thread people are free to choose what they believe. I am not telling anyone here what to do.

a reply to: Thebel

I went to a liver/kidney specialist who suggested milk thistle as, according to him, it is used to help clear peoples livers when they accidentally eat poisonous mushrooms. I never did bother as it comes in huge horse pills that I'd probably choke to death on



Edited to add... I have a buddy who detoxes with maple sugar and stuff and swears it works.. what makes me laugh is she is a bit of a lush and it is her way of taking a break from the booze and eating right so no wonder she feels better. I keep my mouth shut about it though.

The first sign that this is nonsense should be in the extremes used in the OP. Yes, there is clearly an industry made on selling detoxification quickies, but pointing to the extreme's as justification for the making of blanket statements is just so illogical.

*sigh*

Your tissues can have a toxic load that doesn't make you deathly ill, rather makes you not function as sound. Your liver and kidneys of course are in a constant battle against the various environmental stressors we subject ourselves to, whether that be through the air, water, or food. Just because we are not deathly ill, does not mean that we are running 100%.

It's a scientific fact that various herbal supplements will increase the detoxification ability of the liver, and kidney. To not even mention this in the OP is intellectual dishonest, of course I'm assuming you know this to be true like most everyone who bothers to research this, correct? How someone can be aware of this and then go with a blanket statement that all means of detoxification are pseudo-science (outside of drug addiction) makes me question their ability to reason, or agenda.

Just take a lot at curezone for an hour. You'll see the quacks. That doesn't mean milk thistle, vitamin-c, curcumin, cinnamon, nutritional antagonists of whatever your tissues have in excess, and a variety of other therapies for a body gone toxic are without merit.

When I saw the thread title and author I just rolled my eyes.

Nothing to see here, this thread is toxic.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

Well said, but it seems many are more than happy to kneel down at the altar of science and believe whatever they are told. After all if Dr. Oz says gmo is no different than organic...

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You should NEVER question someone with fancy letters after their name!

I don't know, I have been studying the science of inducers of certain metabolic enzymes and function of the organs for quite a while. I actually study the evidence instead of what people say.

Certain foods stimulate the gallbladder and liver to kick up. Other foods shut their processes down. There are many ways to stimulate the kidneys.

Just because the guy in the OP has a degree does not mean he knows what is going on. I know a guy with three degrees who thinks trial and error is the best way to prove something. He has little common sense. A mechanic will tell you that is a bad way to figure things out.

You need the right nutrients in the diet to be able to make all the proper enzymes. These nutrients need to be available. Your body needs the right programming to make them and most time something stimulates their creation. Now, I am not into pills that much, I study plants and meat. I study the effects of plant defense chemicals on the body. I study excretions of the microbes and also ways to moderate their populations in the body.

Detoxing by using plants occasionally is good for us. It can stimulate the bile and the kidneys. It can chelate the metals from the body, and the kidneys and liver need to be stimulated during this process. Another thing is that restoring deficiencies is important, sometimes these minerals get too low in the body. Vitamin deficiencies aren't so common as mineral deficiencies in the American diet.

Overconsumption of some detox chemistry without knowing enough about the consequences can cause problems. Homemade soup can detox, a McD's meal won't. You can use bitters of many kinds to help stimulate the gallbladder and liver. There are many ways to detox, you just have to learn how this stuff works and incorporate the many ways into your diet. Even a glass of milk can stimulate a detox of a certain kind in the body. It can detox propylene glycol you have consumed. Alcohol can detox ethylene glycol poisoning. Silimaron is used in medicine to detox the liver, it is found in Dandelions, they are free in your yard. Eat a few salads of these in the spring, it will help to clean you up for summer.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

I guess you didn't click the link because if you had then you wouldn't have made the statement that this was a blanket statement.

BTW I don't buy into the vitamin C, curcumin, cinnamon claims.

And if your statement of

It's a scientific fact that various herbal supplements will increase the detoxification ability of the liver, and kidney.

Then can you please post the links to those scientific facts. I certainly hope none come from the likes of Natural News to be clear I am asking for actual science.

As I said before you are free to believe, buy, and take what you wish but those like myself are not going to waste our money on unproven claims.

a reply to: jaws1975

I never fall for these celebrity experts. If they don't know what they're talking about they hold back critical knowledge to leave the public hungering for more. They may have credentials, actual knowledge and experience with real patients in a true hospital setting but once they cross the boundary into limelight it becomes a big production.

Though I believe many medical professionals are "quacks", relying on pills and I suppose one can say "partial treatments" to keep the patient coming back and to bump up the costs, not all of them are the same. Many doctors do care about their patients, they are very concerned over their well-being. They're highly competent, focused individuals who put in long hours, often with few if any breaks, and go above and beyond to provide the best treatment they can.

I've heard of oil pulling, lemon water, apple cider vinegar, juice fasts, apricots, fibrous melons, hot water, green tea, colloidal silver, adzuki beans for detoxes. From each of them there's people who seem to feel a difference but then there's more who say they saw no results. Is there a possibility that there are cleanses that do work in some manner but aren't effective for all?

It seems like since bodies are affected by different factors, then different "cleanses" would apply to different individual circumstances.

Edit: Perhaps the key isn't in "cleansing" the body universally but utilizing certain foods and substances that could improve organ functions? Maybe it's targeting organs and systems while taking into consideration their interactions with others that is the key to health.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

Again, define "toxin" is specific, measurable terms.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Wasn't there a post here a while back, that had scientific evidence that detox can happen with fasting for 24-48 hours?

a reply to: Grimpachi

Youre correct. You can remove things from your system...or "cleanse" it per-se...but you cannot detox it completely in any way shape or form.

I used to like fasting though...I felt better after.

a reply to: Grimpachi

There is nothing to "buy into" you're telling us that you're ignorant. That's all.

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There are two main detoxification pathways of the liver. Are you aware of this? The enzymes related to detoxification pathway I are greatly increased by ascorbic acid. This isn't something that is debatable, it has been proven time and time again in clinical studies. You aren't even aware of the basics.

Why should I bother with you any further? Onto more important things.

a reply to: macman

I am sure there was and there seems to be some benifit to fasting. As for what exactly is being detoxified I don't know but IMO the two things are not the same.

One is fasting the other is drinking concoctions (many with laxatives).

They may both have the same results but one is dependent on you buying their concoction.

I may try fasting to see if it works for me but the other is off the table of options.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Grimpachi
... Good ole dihydrogen monoxide.

dihydrogen monoxide can be deadly and should be banned ...

" A similar study conducted by U.S. researchers Patrick K. McCluskey and Matthew Kulick also found that nearly 90 percent of the citizens participating in their study were willing to sign a petition to support an outright ban on the use of Dihydrogen Monoxide in the United States. "

dhmo.org/facts.html

a reply to: Grimpachi

if you want to cleanse your body you just need to eat right.....lots of raw foods and try to minimize meats and processed foods....after all the cleanse is appealing to those who do not eat right so they can go buy a crappy product and feel like they are doing the right thing.....