US Birth Rate Hits All-Time Low

Japan has an aging population and many social engineers seem to think that the more educated and well-off a population is the less the birth rate.. Valid arguments through observations I would say.. However, I would think a society which has fallen on hard times would also cut back on bringing new lives into their world.. Either way the birthrate in the states has dropped for the 6th year.. Reasons, many IMO.

The U.S. birth rate reached an all-time low in 2013, as the number of babies born in the country declined for the sixth straight year since the peak in 2007, a new report finds.

www.livescience.com...

a reply to: 727Sky

My brother finally had a son. He is ten. In eight years the phony baloney education they are providing him will qualify him to work at McDonalds, Wal Mart and overseas as a soldier fighting for the corporate controlled state. Which do you think he will choose?

Will there be a draft by then?

Any ideas?

As a whole we're so ill educated, I'm sure we're making plenty of babies.

We're just killing them before they can get a birth certificate.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: 727Sky

My brother finally had a son. He is ten. In eight years the phony baloney education they are providing him will qualify him to work at McDonalds, Wal Mart and overseas as a soldier fighting for the corporate controlled state. Which do you think he will choose?

Will there be a draft by then?

Any ideas?

I really figured one of the first responses would be something about all the imports across the border.. Bring in 5, 10, 20 million that should balance the birth rate right out..

I agree the education system in the states is nothing to brag about.. All I can say is I am thankful I lived when I did and my kids all have good jobs.. Life ain't easy sometimes, No?

Many people (many here at ATS from all over the world) would agree the future and the dreams of a bright new day are ....? Questionable ...?

So whats the prognoses?


Economy is prosperous and mature and birth rates go down.

Economy is bad with undereducated population and birth rates go down.


We're doomed either way then.

a reply to: 727Sky

Many people (many here at ATS from all over the world) would agree the future and the dreams of a bright new day are ....? Questionable …?

Alarm bells have always rung in my head about the path the world is progressing on. Every fifty years or so-- Major war. We're overdue.

If the economy in the states is 'on the rise' why aren't they having kids?

Scratch that. The Indians from India are having gaggles around here. The engineer dads all work in Silicon Valley at Apple and IPs. Do they think that gravy train will last forever? I wonder what they are thinking but can't ask, they won't tell me.

Maybe they're right. Problem is they are living in America. The next empire on the ash heap of history?

Probably an assortment of reasons for this...chemical exposure, infertility, abortion, poverty, better education, less jobs, lower standards of living/housing, disinterested/disaffected millennials, endless war and the generally crappy state of the world ...

Regardless, I'm reminded of that movie, "Children of Men".

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originally posted by: kosmicjack
Probably an assortment of reasons for this...chemical exposure, infertility, abortion, poverty, better education, less jobs, lower standards of living/housing, disinterested/disaffected millennials, endless war and the generally crappy state of the world ...

Regardless, I'm reminded of that movie, "Children of Men".

m.imdb.com...

Absolutely, and I also question where the chemicals in our food, GMOs and vaccines will take us in regards to fertility.

I was reminded of the movie, "The Handmaid's Tale" - a movie about a dystopian society wherein only the elite are allowed to raise children. The few left who can bear children, must do so for the elite families, only. Work in the colonies for the rest of the people.

The Handmaid's Tale

That's cause all the babies in America are killed before their birthday. Last year 60% of fetuses in NYC were aborted.

Not trying to start a life debate here just stating an opinion.

Nonetheless - i dont think Americans need to worry about depopulation carried out on us any time soon. Slowing sterilizing us will work for em just fine...

The carangeenan is finally working. They have to let more illegal aliens in our country so that people here don't see the population is decreasing because of their secret sterilization project.

AAAh. I feel so conspiracy minded today, it has been a while.

The thing is.... the generation who had kids in the 50s and 60s are to blame for the situation we are in now.

They got overly eager and had too many kids. In a way, they didn't really think ahead considering what this might mean for the future generations.

The last thing we need to do now is repeat the mistakes of our grandparents.

The best thing to do, is wait it out... in 20 years, those who had kids in the 50s and 60s will become pensioners and then we can repay their dirty deeds. Let's see how they'll enjoy retirement in a world full of old people and less tax paying people.

Once they are all dead, population numbers on Earth will return to a normal level, as long as we don't start going crazy and have more than a max of two kids pr family.

If however we proceed down the road our grand parents did, we will set in motion the gears that will create larger and larger population numbers to the point where we can't possibly sustain life on Earth.

There's absolutely NO reason for population growth at this point. The people who tell you that we do, are most likely people who will benefit from more and more consumers.

So think wisely. Don't listen to the BS from state or government that you need to have more kids.
ACCEPT that you will have to endure some hard years, but rest assured that if you wait it out, then you will not only ensure a more balanced world for your kids, you might just also create a more balance retirement life for yourself (depending on your current age).

a reply to: IWasHereEonsAgo

"The thing is.... the generation who had kids in the 50s and 60s are to blame for the situation we are in now."

The only birth control that was 99% successful was not given to women til the 1960's. Just saying "NO" did not work for women before then. Men were allowed to rape their wives. But when women choose not to have a baby because of economics, as is now, they are to blame also. And the wars, generation after generation, are always in the back of the mind.

Maybe men should look in the mirror and make a better country for women and children.

I`m very curious to see a break down on exactly which economic group in America is having the fewest children.

I`m going to take a guess and say that it`s the middle class that are having fewer children while the rich (who can afford children) continue to have them and the poor (who are generally less educated and get more government handouts for each kid they have) are continuing to have children.

originally posted by: 727Sky
Japan has an aging population and many social engineers seem to think that the more educated and well-off a population is the less the birth rate.. Valid arguments through observations I would say.. However, I would think a society which has fallen on hard times would also cut back on bringing new lives into their world.. Either way the birthrate in the states has dropped for the 6th year.. Reasons, many IMO.

The U.S. birth rate reached an all-time low in 2013, as the number of babies born in the country declined for the sixth straight year since the peak in 2007, a new report finds.

www.livescience.com...

It's not "social engineers" who say that, but economists, scientists, public health experts, and so on.

The phenomenon is known as "demographic transition," and happens in virtually all developed countries.

There are four phases: 1) Developing or low income country: very high birth rate, very high death rate, due to sanitation, low education, insufficient food and nutrition, high disease, etc. 2) Development, education, sanitation, public health improve, making the death rate fall while birth rate remains high. population explodes. 3) Due to improved education, improved birth control, female empowerment, and so on, the birth rate falls to the level of the death rate. Most developed countries are in this situation now, with population stabilizing. This is a good thing. The US is there. 4) Birth rate falls below death rate. This can be problematic, and some post-developed countries are in this stage, such as Germany.

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a reply to: 727Sky

There are too many humans on earth-I would like to see reproduction worldwide stop for 10 years.

Let the reaper catch up a little.

Thanks for the thread.

I find this topic interesting. Here's my perspective.

First off, I'm the oldest of millennial and the reason I don't have a kid is because of the financial burden.

However, I want to have a few kids with a woman who's interested in being healthy and is open minded so we can raise kids to be healthy and critical thinkers because we need more of that in this world.

It's a double edged sword.

a reply to: Tardacus

The wrong ones are reproducing-and getting paid for each future criminal/future deadbeat parent that falls from between their legs.

We need to stop paying for the direct destruction of our nation.

I found this chart for Birth rate in the United States in 2010, by family income:

www.statista.com...

The numbers seem to stay pretty much the same for the $35,000 - $74,999 class as they are for the over $75,000 class.
about 55 births per 1,000 women.

The number of births show a significant increase as the income gets lower.The lowest income class has almost twice as many births per 1,000 women as the over $35,000 class has.
The under $10,000 class has 98.3 births per 1,000 women.

I was wrong about the upper class having more births than the middle class.It seems that the lower class is reproducing at a much higher rate than both the middle and upper class combined.

I assume that the lower class has a shorter life expectancy which keeps their population from exploding and overwhelming the system.