"You can't say 'I can't breathe' if you can't actually breathe"

a reply to: Tardacus
Not to be disrespectful, but it is exactly this attitude that has gotten us to this point.

originally posted by: Tardacus

Monday morning quarterbacking is for cowards.

Cowards?

No, it's cowardly to sense or see injustice and stay silent. No one said "Throw them all in jail" but that doesn't mean things should go unquestioned or that we shouldn't review practices/procedures, etc.

I think it's very dangerous to have an institution that cannot be questioned or held accountable, particularly when that institution interacts with the rest of society directly and holds our freedom in check. And, insult to injury, we pay for it.

Pretty much all of what you commented is a justification of the status quo, which is clearly failing large segments of our society. Plus, the specific rhetoric I quoted above is used routinely by LEO to shame or silence anyone who dares to question the impunity of the Police State.

a reply to: Tardacus

All I'll say is you never know who you may run across here on ATS or what their profession is.

As I understand it, NYPD has a policy against "choke holds," and for good reason.

A) the officer was outside of policy
B) the officer continued to apply the hold (whatever you want to call it) when it appeared to be having minimal or no effect; he should have progressed to something else when his first technique appeared to not be working

At best the officer was outside of policy. At worst the officer has no idea how to gain control of a subject who's resisting (and yes, he did meet the definition of resisting, sorry folks); either way it cost a man his life.

a reply to: Tardacus

They are out there everyday putting their lives in danger to protect us.

if people think it`s so easy to go out there everyday and make the right call every time, while putting their lives in jeopardy, then they should turn off their computers and go sign up to be a police officer.

It may surprise you to know that being a cop is less dangerous than being a garbageman and in fact it's not even among the top 10 most dangerous occupations in the US. Do you commonly think of roofers, truck drivers, pilots and farm workers as "putting their lives in jeopardy" when they go to work?

Forbes - America's 10 Deadliest Jobs

Their actions aren`t based on malicious intent or willful neglect.

What the hell are you even talking about? That statement wouldn't be true of ANY group of people.

COP POINTS GUN AT WOMAN, RAPES HER AT GUNPOINT AFTER SHE STOPS AT CHECKPOINT

The Officer, Stephen Maiorino, was arrested on Oct. 20, 2014, and charged with allegedly raping the woman five days earlier.

Maiorino, an eight-year veteran with the Boynton Beach Police Department, earned an “Officer of the Month” award in 2010, and was featured both on an episode of the “Cops” television show and truTV’s “Most Shocking.”

“TROOPER OF THE YEAR” GOOD COP SEXUALLY ASSAULTS A 4-YR-OLD GIRL MULTIPLE TIMES, “CRIES” WHEN HE IS SENTENCED

He received the “Trooper of the Year” award twice.

He was one of the most highly “decorated” police officers in Maine’s history. He was a model of what faithful police wives have in mind when they say “Yeah but some cops are GOOD!”

This “good cop” has been sentenced to prison for only four years — and may get out sooner because of his statist privilege — for sexually assaulting an innocent child.

The child was only 4-yrs-old.

I don't want to get into cop bashing but you need a reality check.

a reply to: kosmicjack

In ER response training regarding choking...we first ask if they can breathe...then if they can speak. If they can do one or both...they can breathe.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: kosmicjack

In ER response training regarding choking...we first ask if they can breathe...then if they can speak. If they can do one or both...they can breathe.

What if they die afterwards from lack of air because someone had their armed wrapped around their neck and another person was standing on them? Seriously dude gtfo of here with that.

originally posted by: Tardacus
It seems that getting killed by the police is occupational hazard of being a criminal.i`m not saying it`s right,i`m not saying it`s wrong I`m just saying if getting killed by the police isn`t something that you want to risk than stop committing crimes.
I haven`t paid much attention to all these stories and I don`t know any of the details, but one thing they all seem to have in common is that the person who was killed was involved in some sort of criminal activity.
since it seems that the police will be allowed to continue killing people without being charged then play it safe and don`t commit crimes. you can greatly reduce your chances of being confronted and killed by the police if you aren`t committing crimes.

Well you're wrong genius. What about the guy who was shopping in walmart and was shot by police because he was holding a bb gun he planned to purchase?

Maybe someone who doesnt follow these stories and knows none of the details by his own admission should simply stfu.

a reply to: Bundy

Im an Emergency Medical Tech and Response Team 1st responder (ambulances...you know?)

Youre "what-if's" GTFO...is pretty childish. Where do you live again? Ask your Mom and Dad....next time you need an ambulance...we'll know not to respond to your emergency.

It'd be ok with you if we just say "GTFO" of here?

a reply to: mysterioustranger

What "what ifs"? I dont remember making any, and after rereading my comment im certain i didnt. Maybe you should respond to what i actually said as opposed to making something up to justify your sick demeanor.

I was referring to a story where someone was killed without justification without being involved in any criminal activity. I could care less if you're an EMT, you should be fired for what you wrote alone.

Where do you live? I'd gladly send your superiors a copy of what you've said to show them your disregard for human life. I'm not certain but i'm fairly sure it's frowned upon in the EMT world, especially the part about your selective response to peoples emergencies.

If you really want to know where i live, for whatever stupid reason, i will give it to you. Wouldn't be the first time i sent my address to someone who, as i take it, is vaguely threatening me only to have them never show.

Doesn't get any less sick & enraging when I read about this.
I can't even watch the video any more, just so sad and brutal.
Everyone involved should be ashamed, including on the judicial side.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: kosmicjack

In ER response training regarding choking...we first ask if they can breathe...then if they can speak. If they can do one or both...they can breathe.

Yeah of course you are, and I'm an astronaut.

Anyone had Whooping cough? I had it and used to wake up gulping air in and crying can't breath until someone knocked the air back out of me.

So the Cop is wrong you can say "Can't breath" when not able to.

But it doesn't matter anyway because If put yoou in the prone position for some time and someone on your back everyone will say "I can't breath" when their airways are being restricted, even If they are getting a little air.
That is the reason putting people in the prone position when restraining is banned here in the UK.

It's a really obnoxious argument - I mean what the # is wrong with people who would say something like that? Of course he couldn't breathe! The guy is dead! Trying to argue he could is moot at this point - he died from asphyxiation!

Anyone claiming he could breathe because he said "I can't breathe" is just a troll. Both on the internet, and in real life. The thing about trolls is that they will endlessly, tirelessly, argue any point to prove their twisted worldview even if it doesn't coincide with reality at all.

Claiming he could still breathe because he said "I can't breathe" and it's his last words. I can't believe these guys. Anyone would say that with their last dying gasp of air, hoping someone else would help them.

The thing that fires me up even more, is that chokehold is an illegal takedown maneuver. Those cops weren't supposed to use chokeholds on anybody. But the grand jury found the cops innocent - killing an unarmed pedestrian with an illegal takedown maneuver for the worst crime on the planet - resisting arrest. But according to a grand jury, the cops are innocent. This is all just sick.

originally posted by: peskyhumans
It's a really obnoxious argument - I mean what the # is wrong with people who would say something like that? Of course he couldn't breathe! The guy is dead! Trying to argue he could is moot at this point - he died from asphyxiation!

Anyone claiming he could breathe because he said "I can't breathe" is just a troll. Both on the internet, and in real life. The thing about trolls is that they will endlessly, tirelessly, argue any point to prove their twisted worldview even if it doesn't coincide with reality at all.

Claiming he could still breathe because he said "I can't breathe" and it's his last words. I can't believe these guys. Anyone would say that with their last dying gasp of air, hoping someone else would help them.

The thing that fires me up even more, is that chokehold is an illegal takedown maneuver. Those cops weren't supposed to use chokeholds on anybody. But the grand jury found the cops innocent - killing an unarmed pedestrian with an illegal takedown maneuver for the worst crime on the planet - resisting arrest. But according to a grand jury, the cops are innocent. This is all just sick.

To be clear, choke holds are against NYPD policy. They aren't illegal. There's a big difference between the two standards.

The fact that even on a board like ats, there are apologists for police brutality suggests to me the polices actions won't change. They have enough support from their apologists here, they probably have more support on more right wing authoritarian sections of society. Get used to it America, because it probably isn't going away in a hurry.

a reply to: kosmicjack

I'm going to step up and help put a stop to these LEO killings. I will share, for free, my design for something I call, "handcuffs."

If only I had acted sooner, frightened, cowardly, sissy, mentally unstable LEOs could merely "handcuff" someone and they wouldn't have to worry about the big bad pubwick giving them owies!

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: kosmicjack

In ER response training regarding choking...we first ask if they can breathe...then if they can speak. If they can do one or both...they can breathe.

How well can they breathe? Will the ability to breathe just enough to be able to speak keep you living indefinitely? How much oxygen gets into the lungs while speaking? I'm fascinated by this, as I've always thought speaking involved expelling air.

a reply to: Tardacus

His crime was petty and didn't deserve punishment by death. They killed the guy, right there on the street. He begged for mercy when he informed them he couldn't breathe. His pleas were ignored.
There should have been an indictment, especially since the NYPD were not supposed to use chokeholds anymore. These cops are getting away with murder.

Clearly no amount of protesting is going to stop it.

It is illegal to fight being arrested. If you are being arrested, the police say you did something wrong and you may say you didn't. But you say that in front of a court or judge. If you fight arrest, the police are SUPPOSED to still arrest you...even with some force.

So people...for a change lets look at the problem, not the symptom. This man created the problem. He fought arrest. The symptom of that action, which he chose to do was his death. He is to blame...not the police.

Otherwise, shooting someone who is trying to rob or harm you (also breaking the law) would be illegal.

Geeeezzzzz!