BREAKING: No Charges in Eric Garner Chokehold Case for Officer

originally posted by: randyvs

I'm quite sure they will say so!

And you haven't said anything to dssuade me from
what I see.

So you think the fact that the police... you know, those people who are there to protect & serve used an illegal... yes... against the law...illegal... choke hold and killed a man who was suspected of selling cigarettes... is OK? You're ok with that?
The man who was murdered pleaded with said officers to let him breathe as he couldn't breathe.

The pleas fell on deaf ears and the man died, choked to death....

And that is OK with you??

a reply to: blupblup

And that is OK with you??

How could it possibly be ok with me?
Where did I indicate anything remotely
like that ?

But I'm not okay with over blown BS about anything ever
either.

Are you okay with this being regarded as a public execution?

a reply to: randyvs


Well there are always people going to one extreme or another.
I wouldn't call it a public execution....I'd say he was killed in an illegal manner by excessive and totally unjustifiable, disproportionate force.


This is public execution.

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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: AgentShillington

Way short... of what?

Blatent and horrific as the context reads.
What I'm not okay with is what you said.

" A cop killed an non-threatning unarmed man."

Suggesting there was intent. The only intent i
see, is to arrest. His not wanting to be arrested
was seen as resisting. and the techniques invoked
caused this man to expire. I see only an accidental
death. A good case for a law suit, nothing more.
Certainly not murder.

I did not suggest intent.

A medical examiner determined that this was a homicide. The cop killed Eric Garner. That isn't being debated. That is what happened. He doesn't argue it. He is aware that his actions caused the death of Garner.

What I was asking is, are you okay with what you saw in the video, and you answered that you are.

That's all I was asking.

a reply to: Collateral

According to you, that is deadly force as it resulted in a death.

You're being facetious and you know it. I understand that people like to play devils advocate but if you seriously want to twist my argument into me believing death by air conditioning is excessive force then please move on.

You are the one who wants to define what deadly force is so you tell me where it starts and where it stops.

You have shown you are either incapable or unwilling to discuss this topic without reducing things to such ridiculous levels that I find no need to explain myself to you.

a reply to: IAMTAT

I am not aware of this question being raised so I have to ask. I have watched the video several times and have still can't find the answer to this question.

At what point did any of the police officers place Eric Garner under arrest?

It seems this would be a key point to raise, since the police said he was resisting arrest and had to be subdued. If he was never told he was being arrested how could he be resisting arrest? Unless this can be shown to be the case, the actions of the police were unwarrented and it becomes a case of assault and manslaughter at the very least.
Yes, even a police officer can be charged with assault if they are acting outside the performance of their duties.

Can anyone answer this one simple question?

a reply to: blupblup

I wouldn't call it a public execution....I'd say he was killed in an illegal manner by excessive and totally unjustifiable, disproportionate force.

That's one way of say'n it. Another way to say it is
he was in no shape to be physically confronted by police
trying to place him in custody. And if he would've complied
instead of resisting he would have easily survived. Doesn't
matter to me what the coroners findings were anymore
than, what the wanna be anchor man says in the vid I
provided. You can't say Eric didn't resist. And everyone
on the planet knows what happens when you resist
the cops. I've been arrested thirty three times Blup.
Never once was I treated like that. And it sure isn't
because I'm white. It was because I knew better.
When they decide you're going? That's it. And when
it was me. I held out my hands in front of me and
said wrap it up. And I always got respect while watching
other guys coming in acting stupid and get'n slammed face
first in to block walls. And I do mean stupid.

originally posted by: AgentShillington

A medical examiner determined that this was a homicide. The cop killed Eric Garner. That isn't being debated. That is what happened. He doesn't argue it. He is aware that his actions caused the death of Garner.

I had to look up the word Homicide in relation to this case.

As most people, I thought Homicide means murder. It doesn't.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

Interesting that Mr. Garner's daughter doesn't think this was about race:

Garner’s daughter says dad’s death not a racial issue; Don Lemon baffled

The grievance industry on the left is having a field day denouncing a grand jury’s decision not to indict a New York City cop who placed Eric Garner in a choke hold, leading to his untimely death, pointing to the case as another example of racial injustice in America by police.

Surprisingly, one person does not think race was an issue — Garner’s daughter.

“This is not a black and white issue,” Erica Garner said Thursday during an appearance on CNN. “This is a national crisis.”
Host Don Lemon followed up, more than once, asking Garner if she was sure it was not about race.

“I really doubt it. It was about the officer’s pride,” she answered. “It was about my father being 6’4″ and 350 pounds and he wants to be the top cop that brings a big man down.”

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a reply to: teamcommander

Can anyone answer this one simple question?

I know the answer, but you won't like it.

The answer is whether or not it can be detected
in video anywhere. Doesn't matter. It's in the police
report and that makes it gold. They can say they said
it and it just wasn't recorded. So it's a non issue.

a reply to: IAMTAT

The grievance industry on the left is having a field day denouncing a grand jury’s decision not to indict a New York City cop who placed Eric Garner in a choke hold, leading to his untimely death, pointing to the case as another example of racial injustice in America by police.

Definitely a Left Wing agenda with this whole thing.

And the vast majority of these "police states" exist in cities/counties mostly ruled by Left Wing agencies.

Hmmm.

No wonder many people are locked into Cognitive Dissonance.

a reply to: xuenchen

Is Glen Beck considered left? Because I saw him criticizing the Grand Jury decision too. As a matter of fact, all the Fox New hosts that I saw were very disappointed with the GJ outcome.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: xuenchen

Is Glen Beck considered left? Because I saw him criticizing the Grand Jury decision too. As a matter of fact, all the Fox New hosts that I saw were very disappointed with the GJ outcome.

Controlled opposition works in strange ways doesn't it.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: IAMTAT

The grievance industry on the left is having a field day denouncing a grand jury’s decision not to indict a New York City cop who placed Eric Garner in a choke hold, leading to his untimely death, pointing to the case as another example of racial injustice in America by police.

Definitely a Left Wing agenda with this whole thing.

And the vast majority of these "police states" exist in cities/counties mostly ruled by Left Wing agencies.

Hmmm.

No wonder many people are locked into Cognitive Dissonance.

do you even read what you write?...not one sentence above makes any sense. you have reached the stage that you see everything as being a left wing plot, if it doesn't fit your beliefs. you have fallen so far down the rabbit hole of paranoia, that you're becoming incoherent.

a reply to: windword
Yeah man, even billy oriely. He always licks cops boots.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Garner case as well as Akai Gurley, who was shot to death by NYPD in an unlit stairwell. Officer Liang attempted to text his union rep and neither he nor his partner phoned in the the "accidental discharge", while Gurley lay dying.

a reply to: FraggleRock

You're argument is ridiculous. You think RNC should be deemed deadly force because it related in a death but you are unwilling to say where you draw the line in the sand.

Ergo, your opinion is largely being driven by current media and popular opinion hyperbol.

You're avoidance of addressing the issue beyond current context shows that.

Is the air conditioning unit an employed police officer?

Is the RNC an employed police officer? The deadly force itself cannot be classified as apart of the police officer.

Can a police officer put a sick person in a room and put the aircon on low for a prolonged period of time? Yes. Can it result in death? Yes. So it could be deadly force.

You're being ridiculous in an attempt to justify your ridiculous notions.

What exactly is the point that I am trying to make, in your opinion?

These are the facts, deal with them or don't. Just be certain that your denial of reality only serves to make you look either completely ignorant, or completely racist - or both.

What reality am I in denial of?

the racist card, wow, are you that devoid of an argument?

a reply to: tigertatzen

Well he applied the RNC before he was on the ground being restrained.
He obviously had no idea on the way to use it for numerous reasons; namely that it is illegal to use via police procedure and that he wasnt applying it correctly in any case.

To say that he understood what he was doing is erroneous, yet his ignorance is no excuse for breaking procedure.

Remember this case? Not only blame the victim, but blame the victim's arteries! Even my dad thought this was outrageous! 32 years later and still an issue! www.nytimes.com...