Within the atom is a universe and vice versa

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I have come to believe that the universe is actually contained with a tiny atomic particle. And that we are actually infinate universes.

But all those universes exist in one place, right? No matter how many times you divide a thing there is still just one thing to start with. In that light no matter how many universes you envision there are, they are only occurring in one wider universe.



If you stretch out your hand to the end of the Universe… your hand will not encounter a barrier out there. if it does, what is out side that is just more Universe. Your hand continues on forever. The Universe goes on forever. If it goes on forever it is infinitely big. If it is infinitely big then it has always been there. If it has always been there then it is eternal. If it is eternal then it is full of life, life has always been there, and life is everywhere.



If the Universe is therefore infinitely big and infinitely old then wherever you are is the center of everything. Everything stretches away from you in every direction making you the center of everything. Putting everything at the center of it all.



If we look ever smaller into subatomic space we see smaller and smaller particles and just like our telescopes look only so far into the cosmos, we can only resolve so far and so small. Beyond the resolution of our instruments the tiny becomes ever tinier making that realm infinitely small, going smaller forever.



Infinitely big, infinitely small, as above so below.



As above so below has a middle, that middle being you.

Some interesting points there, however according to some of the ancient texts the universe is continually creating and destroying itself, meaning it dissolves and creates infinate universes at all times on a type of substratum of infinate counsiousness.

As to how its created from this counsiousness its supposedly just becomes aware of itself as existing then it does infinatly like a universal ego so to speak. I know its quite a bit to wrap our heads around but thats how its said to be, many scientists believe we will become a singularity or just keep on expanding infinatly.

Also theres dark energy and dark matter inside each and every one of us and we are expanding infinatly with the universe too thats very amazing and something most people dont even know about. The math says we are expanding infinately but they throw the math out because they cannot measure it in the visible world go figure lolz!

What is the universe and the smallest particle of matter in it - the superstring - were different manifestations of the same archetypal, mathematical pattern?

Want to see proof that this is so?

smphillips.8m.com...

Visit this researcher's website and you will be amazed. In fact, it will take you beyond science-fiction and the latest unproved (and unprovable), crazy theories of physicists to reality itself. You see, the proof is in the mathematics.....

originally posted by: Dr1Akula
It could just be that nature follows the same patterns (and laws) of complicated structure in both levels (micro and macro).

This is the most likely scenario.

originally posted by: micpsi
What is the universe and the smallest particle of matter in it - the superstring - were different manifestations of the same archetypal, mathematical pattern?



Want to see proof that this is so?



smphillips.8m.com...



Visit this researcher's website and you will be amazed. In fact, it will take you beyond science-fiction and the latest unproved (and unprovable), crazy theories of physicists to reality itself. You see, the proof is in the mathematics.....

Mind sharing some of thse crazy theories with us here on ATS, makes for good conversation and brings more perspectives to the ATS table.

Thanks for sharing

Good info on an old idea.

As was previously said, infinity appears to be a lot bigger than what you think it is

(Does infinity even have a "size" associated with it?)

ed.ted.com...

On another interesting note -- the human body has about 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms.

Maybe each atom above is a universe consisting of other uncountable atoms?

education.jlab.org...

Wow! That is a lot of atoms and universes.

originally posted by: Axial Leader
Good info on an old idea.
As was previously said, infinity appears to be a lot bigger than what you think it is

(Does infinity even have a "size" associated with it?)
ed.ted.com...
On another interesting note -- the human body has about 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms.
Maybe each atom above is a universe consisting of other uncountable atoms?
education.jlab.org...
Wow! That is a lot of atoms and universes.

Thanks friend!
This information has been out there for thousands of years, we are just ow getting to it, may be awhile before our society really believes any of it, but makes sense that the kingdm of heaven being within and all.

Well considering that the BIG BANG started off the size of a tiny particle and continues to expand infinatly even to today its still expanding. I would imagine that all the particles in the universe act in much the same way, meaning the BIG BANG is everywhere in those micro black holes.

Quite an interesting thought, perhaps realization of the infinate universe is the universes eternal destiny of all beings in all the worlds. WHo knows but sure in amazing and interesting and empowering.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord\\\

thank you for that feedback and behind-the-scenes chatter... interesting that those scientists on a pedestal are sensitive in this way

Something from William Blake.

To see a world in a grain of sand
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour.

Not too shabby for early 1800's.

There's (a lot) more to this poem at link.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

however according to some of the ancient texts the universe is continually creating and destroying itself, meaning it dissolves and creates infinite universes at all times on a type of substratum of infinite consciousness.

I didn't differ with that. if the Universe is infinitely big (goes on forever) then it is always dying and being reborn somewhere.

Scientists want to put a limit on its size, but thats like saying there is nothing outside an eggshell. No matter how big you make the Universe the question remains, what is outside that?

Not more Universes, just more Universe. There can be only one.

Some say that just past the perceived edge of the scale, small or large, it connects to the same point.

It wouldn't take much to trick or limited faculties into perceiving a sense of infinity even in a finite system.

Found this interesting 5 minute take on this very topic would love it if someone could embed thanks!


The Universe In An Atom - The Larger Body
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Seems some more scientists are starting to at least ponder this idea could be possible LOLZ:

Top Physicists Ponder on the Idea of Universe in an Atom

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Dr. Sanjay Gupta, famous for his studies related to the theory of advanced quantum hydroponics. "It's like, one big atom? Forget about it, man. Even weirder is, like, if we're just one big atom in a larger universe, how do we know all the little atoms don't have, you know, little universes in them, with little people living on them, with little cars and little houses, and maybe even itsy-bitsy tiny[...] international symposiums on cutting-edge theoretical physics, even."

Found this interesting bit by Michio Kaku talking about black holes leading to white holes or the Big Bang.

Michio Kaku Parallel Universe

This is an interesting video on infinate universes are sub-atomic universes. Now I am thinking he may be onto a great truth yet to be accepted by our modern society on fractals. Meaning all is in the one and the one is in the all.



Are sub-atomic particles universes? String theory, Hawking

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Also Michio Kaku when speaking on string theory talks about parallel universes overlaping each other. He also speaks of parallel versions of ourselves. Makes me think there are an infinate number of us out there or in here or. . . .You know out there!

Well, he's wrong. There maybe an infinite number of hypothetical universes out there, but hypothetical ain't the same thing as real. In reality, there is only one universe, the one you're experiencing right now. The one you are looking at from your singular point of view. An infinite number of "yous" out there? Then how come you aren't experiencing any of their universes?

No, there's only one universe that matters, and therefore there is only one universe. Yes, it's holographic, and consists of an amalgam of all of our perceptions. However, when I die, the universe as I perceive it will vanish, along with everything in it. You all might hypothetically still continue to exist after I'm dead, but again that's hypothetical. You won't exist as far as I'm concerned. And that's all that matters.

Also, there are no universes inside atoms. That's high school stoner thinking. We know what's in atoms, and it isn't galaxies. It's a lot of little particles made out of intertwined dimensions. The only universe you can perceive is the only one that matters, and that's the only one that exists.

It would be interesting if the atom is what keeps everything separate, from the other atoms, and somehow it could lead to the original( Primeval) atom linked to the big bang. And that somewhere between there is where all the exchanges happen, but the main problem science these days (from what I last heard)is that they haven't figured out what makes matter's mass, or weigh more so. They know heavier and larger objecst can warp gravity, but the most destructive is the black hole, that could be a few kilometers to the size of a coin and drastically warp space time. Einstein supposedly was somewhat confused by gravity, even though he's the guy that came up with the 2d space time blanket to explain it.

Last time I updated myself was something about the Higgs Boson theory, and it had a bunch of stuff I haven't familiarized myself with at all. But hey, they don't even know if they are right or not, just theory. That was 3 yrs ago I think.

Well the BIG Bang is a big what the heck for alot of people, and alot of skeptics still deny the BIG BANG out of sheer ignorance.

The very notion that the universe could have started the size of a tiny particle and expanded into this supermassive universe we know of today just confounds some folks. Not to mention it may just be on the other end of a black hole meaning the BIG BANG could just be a white hole.

The very notion that micro black holes exist in every particle in the universe is yet another clue to this infinate reality.

I doubt skeptics will ever believe anything so no point in even trying to illumine those who refuse to even study things like M THEORY.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Who knows if there really was a big bang, the universe could just been there in a few theories. They say they know the universes age by pointing an instrument tuned to a certain spectrum see the remnants of it , but maybe they can only see so much. Especially if the universe is still expanding, and if that expansion followed some similar pattern in nature, it would only be more mind stumping.

There are no universe in atoms, but there are atoms in the universe. Sure there the electric universe theory, but like that only makes so much or so little sense really.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Nope.

The quantization of just about everything puts a limit on the smallness of things.

So, fairly absolutely, nope.

originally posted by: Specimen
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



Who knows if there really was a big bang, the universe could just been there in a few theories. They say they know the universes age by pointing an instrument tuned to a certain spectrum see the remnants of it , but maybe they can only see so much. Especially if the universe is still expanding, and if that expansion followed some similar pattern in nature, it would only be more mind stumping.



There are no universe in atoms, but there are atoms in the universe. Sure there the electric universe theory, but like that only makes so much or so little sense really.

As I said some dont even believe in the BIG Bang because it confounds understanding, also the universe is accelerating. Not to mention the universe was accelerating faster than the speed of light in its inception, which throws alot of speed of light theory out the window as it can be exceeded.

Good point that the universe is still expanding, would you believe we are expanding with it?

Well we are due to dark matter and dark energy which is another thing that confounds scientists as it makes up around 95%-96% of the known universe.


Thats right we have dark energy and dark matter in us as well as micro black holes just to name a few things.

Then if that doesnt send you down the rabbit hole theres the BIG CRUNCH theory which states the universe will reverse time and reverse back into a singularity. Meaning all times including the present will be the size of a little particle in a singularity same as the BIG BANG. So in essence we never will have existed, for example if you reverse time and stop someone from being a lottery winner did they win the lottery? Nope

In the same way when time reverses was the universe ever created? Nope

But anyone can believe whatever they like dont matter to me, if you follow the science of it as well as fractals perhaps you will start to see this universe may in fact be in a tiny particle the entire time, and within each and every particle there is another filled with atoms much like the big bang each with more infinate universes.

Just some food for thought.