White Guilt...The Newest Form of Racism

originally posted by: theantediluvian

You quote line after line of text and then stop mid-paragraph when you see something you don't like?



That's what like 0.6%?

not about what i didnt like.
just trying to make a point that black people owned slaves as well and it is not talked about in school...

people know that whites owned slaves.
i want them to know that blacks did as well.

im not interested in the percentages at all.

id like to know what your point is?

white people owned more slaves than black people...
so what

thats not the point i was trying to make....

A completely valid point, the double standard needs to go, id also like to add "honky", i havent been called it but countless others have, i was at a metal festival a few years ago, walking pass a crowd of people, one of them shouted "f@#kin redneck" at me, i went straight up to looked him in eye, grabbed the sides of his face, and kissed his forehead and said thankyou!, my mrs thought i was gonna hit him!, the blokes crowd started laughing at him!. Defused without bloodshed.a reply to: Grovit

a reply to: Grovit

Well, to play devil's advocate here, cracker isn't a word whose only reason for use is to mutually disparage an entire race. Also to be fair, there are a lot of members of the "black" race that use the "N" word am awful lot.

Reminds me of this for some reason:


We should take it back!

a reply to: CagliostroTheGreat

that was a great scene..
the point is though it is a derogatory term that is tossed around ALL the time with zero consequence.
say the other word though..well, you know

a reply to: sdubya
Which countries have you visited are more racist than America?

a reply to: ispyed

Iraq, Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, Qatar, Korea.

When I was in Iraq we had to do what we called "combat Jehovah Witness" raids. Knock on doors and check out houses. The owners in many of the houses would agree and say "I do not want him do check house, they steal" (while pointing out black troops). Usually didn't go well for them saying that about my guys (not in a way people here will imply).

I have to laugh because people in America have no real idea what racism is.

Liberia = you cannot be a citizen unless you are black
Mozambique = killed the white farmers for owning land which led to mass starvation then blamed the whites for starving them.

a reply to: Grovit

You'd like to know what my point is? I thought it was rather obvious — you purposefully omitted relevant information because you're a slavery apologist — a position that is about as nonsensical as the mythical "white guilt."

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: theantediluvian

I think that is mostly due to the rewriting of English history

Cromwell's Campaign is simply "the Irish fleeing economic hardship at home".
(we will gloss over the 500K-900K killed in 3 years or roughly 1/3 of the Irish population).

We will write that famine required many to seek better lives elsewhere.
(we not say that in a single decade Irelands population was decimated due to deaths and slavery)

We will make it all about the EVIL white man and argue racial lines to skip the simple fact that they ran out of Irish people worth turning into slaves.

The fact the blacks owned slaves even a minute amount (like New Orleans 28% of the population) is important for one reason. The topic white guilt. You say a small ratio of blacks owned slaves. Did a large ratio of whites own slaves (1.45% by population)? Why then should whites have guilt over this period in history?

Cromwell's war in Ireland was not against the Irish people per se. He saw it as an Holy War against Catholicism and Irish Catholics.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Grovit

You'd like to know what my point is? I thought it was rather obvious — you purposefully omitted relevant information because you're a slavery apologist — a position that is about as nonsensical as the mythical "white guilt."

that information was not relevant to my point though.
do you not understand that?

i dont see how the number of whites that owned slaves is relevant to the fact that black people did in fact own slaves

now im an apologist???
that figures

typical of how it usually works

There is no reason for any white person to have to apologize for things they were never responsible for. No one likes the atrocities of the past. It has been acknowledged over and over again. It happened, it never should have happened, but no white man alive today should be held accountable for something they had nothing to do with. That's ridiculous!

I am French, Irish and have native American ancestors. My ancestor's tribe was almost completely wiped out by another tribe, not white men. Native Americans also killed and fought for land and hunting grounds. I don't know of any slave owners, but for all we know, some of us may have had ancestors that helped the slaves to become free. I had a French ancestor who chose to live with Native's, took a Native wife and lived the way of the Indians. Not all white men were the same, just as they aren't today or any other race. We all have good and bad.

I won't apologize for any white man's crimes, relative, ancestor or not. I had nothing to do with any of their wrongs.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
How about we just acknowledge that what happened in our past was just down right disgusting? Instead of just ignoring it and saying the past is the past. It happend and the values people had back then are still alive today.
We are just over 50 years of not having laws on the books that treated people as sub human so this 200 year mark is bunk.
I get the don't blame me for the sins of my father, but doesn't mean we can't be the bigger man and apologize for it.

I dont know you don't get Brits crying at Italians because of the Romans who who invaded and ran the show....some people are better at crying then others I guess, some people will still be crying in 300 years from now when asked why they are not preforming as others they will be like well its because 600 years ago this happened

a reply to: alldaylong

Perhaps so. Did that change the outcome?

Religion is often used as an excuse for atrocity. Doesn't make it right. Doesn't change the outcome.

Deus Vult sounds pretty and it makes men charge to there death, but when the sun goes down they are still just dead for all the flowery words.

I think the whole thing is going to blowup soon , people are reaching the boiling point and some serious steam is going to be let off soon...civil war in all western country's I guess

a reply to: rowanflame

Why are you talking about anything over 50 years when that was clearly my point.
People are still alive that were part of the movement against the civil rights and I know this will shock you but it was our own government that was all for keep people down.

I am not talking about something that happened 200+ years ago, talking about polices that were around and people that are still alive today that were part of creating them.
People that passed those 'values' down to their kids and taught them that this is just the way it is.

But lets just ignore that very real possibility cause that is just people crying about it.

Dont give me ideas, il be demanding a apology from the local fiat dealership!a reply to: rowanflame

Racism is alive and well in the USA. You can't deny it. But there are new factors to consider. Racism, and related hate crimes are no longer primarily from whites.

The problems are made worse by a government attempting to make right the crimes of the past in the new dynamics of the present.

The sense of entitlement, and mandatory opportunity given based on race has done more harm than good, and in my opinion held back the black communities from their potential. Many are trapped by endless entitlements and simply follow the examples of their past generation. Too many see gangs and crime as a normal way of life, and their best opportunity to "get paid".

They feel oppressed, but really who are their ultimate oppressors?

I am white, I am guilty. Am I really?

No white guilt here, my family at any point in their history never had slaves, and my family's only example of actual wealth or middle class status was with my dad, who isn't anywhere near that status anymore. My family never owned slaves because we hopped off the boat from Europe circa 1900 on both sides of the family. We come from a hardy stock of po'-ass Irish, Scandinavians, Poles, Russians, Hungarians, etc. Peasants, in other words. I owe no one any apologies because no one in my family line was here during the slave era, thus we have no slave ownership to apologize for. Even if we did, why the hell should anyone apologize for something someone did 200 years prior to their birth? WTH? Should I make all people of Russian descent apologize for what Catherine the Great did during her reign? How about just making all people of Russian descent apologize for any pogroms my Russian ancestors were caught in in the first place, sound fair? After all, that's why they left, caught in anti-Jewish riots (and likely were Jewish, but that's neither here nor there right now)

Stop it. Just stop it, everyone. No one needs to apologize for history unless they were alive during it & not helping abate wrongs. And since that's obviously impossible, just quit with it. Acknowledge history, learn about it, realize to not repeat the horrid wrongs, but don't rub it in the faces of people who were several generations off from being so much as a sperm in a testicle.

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: ispyed

Iraq, Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, Qatar, Korea.

When I was in Iraq we had to do what we called "combat Jehovah Witness" raids. Knock on doors and check out houses. The owners in many of the houses would agree and say "I do not want him do check house, they steal" (while pointing out black troops). Usually didn't go well for them saying that about my guys (not in a way people here will imply).

I have to laugh because people in America have no real idea what racism is.

Liberia = you cannot be a citizen unless you are black
Mozambique = killed the white farmers for owning land which led to mass starvation then blamed the whites for starving them.

Oh yeah, I second the racism in South Korea, it was pretty blatant in the mid-90s. I have no idea if it's changed by now or not, though I get the impression it's only solidified more since I was there. Us foreign kids that were there, be it base kids or international school kids, got a pretty clear idea that black Americans, at the very least, were despised. The Africans, not so much, black Brits, not so much. Black Americans? Opportunist trouble, period. My dad worked with both a black American & a black Brit during our time in the country, the difference in how they were treated was amazing, it was obviously a country of origin thing & not entirely a skin thing. They still distrusted black people as a whole, but the black Americans had practically zero credibility & integrity in their eyes.

Also, I thought it was Zimbabwe, not Mozambique, that ran off/killed white farmers & blamed the resulting famine on them? If it was both countries, I missed Mozambique in there.

Am I the only person who's relatives had slaves ?

We even saw a couple of mixed kids on the census.

So, my relatives must not of hated them that much...

originally posted by: whyamIhere
Am I the only person who's relatives had slaves ?

We even saw a couple of mixed kids on the census.

So, my relatives must not of hated them that much...

LOL! Don't worry about it. For all you know, they may have bought those slaves so that they would be treated decently and saved from being treated like the others. They may have been the one's who helped these slaves get to freedom. Many had houses with secret passageways leading to tunnels and freedom. In any case, it wasn't you. You had no slaves. You have no desire to own slaves. You don't believe in slavery. You did nothing wrong!

originally posted by: whyamIhere

originally posted by: KawRider9
No white guilt here. I don't know what my family did over 200 years ago and I refuse to look into it.

I'd rather live in the here and now and judge people for THEIR actions, not something that was done generations ago.

I like personal responsability...

You can imagine how thrilled I was when I found out my family owned slaves.

I could of lived my whole life without knowing that little tidbit of information.

I am ashamed...But, it was 200 years ago.

200 years ago my family were part royalty and before 1783 owned huge chunks of the USA and as such probably not just owned slaves but activly invested in the slave trade.

Im I ashamed ? No

Do I feel guilty? Nope not one bit.

It was 200 years ago and are about as far removed from me as I am from you