Motive is the central theme of any good investigation.
THREAD PREMISE: Is it possible that Jesus was setting us up for deception? My mind could go either way on this issue because of one fact: the real
reason for the cross has not fully been told. If you have read my threads, then you know that the true reason is hidden in plain sight from the words
of Elohim (Father to Yahweh)/Adonai).
Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.
Let's review the motive. Why did the Son of God (Yahweh/Adonai) hang on a cross, having his blood shed by his own people? He shed the blood of Adam
and divided the image of God (both Male and Female). As the Bible states, we were taken captive. Paul makes it clear that every thought will be taken
captive (2 Corinthians 10:5). In other words, our thought will be held prisoner.
Ephesians 4:8 - This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people." His people, of course, are
Israel. Elohim made HIS promise to the Rainbow (symbolic of all nations). When Yahweh was taken captive Himself, after a 400+ year absence from
scripture, Elohim (Father) made good on his promise in Genesis 9. The Son hung on a cross, having his blood shed by the very nation he used to shed
blood in the OT.
My Prayer: I pray that the truth be know in all honesty and diligence for the good of mankind. It would be my only hope with this speculation to
allow room for God to clear this conspiracy up once and for all.
Is it clear from the book of Revelation that the nations are deceived? Seeing that the Seven Angels of Christ are over the regions of the Earth, we
must assume the deception comes from either them or Satan. We also know something about Satan:
Genesis 3:1 - 3 "The snake was more clever than all the wild animals Yahweh Elohim had made."
The linguistics here makes something very clear: Yahweh made Satan. The word made is different from Create, which was used in Genesis 1 for the
creation of existence. The word formed is used for Adam, which is yet a third word in relation to create, but not the same meaning. Create means to
bring into existence from nothing (original template). Formed and made both denote the use of a preexisting template, as does the word plant used in
relation to the garden Yahweh planted.
Bringing this full circle, Yahweh planted a Garden, took an existing creation (Adam) and shed his blood. The purpose of this was to extract the
feminine side of the unified creation of Elohim. He then used his Satan to deceive Eve. We must assume he had a purpose for making Satan. Satan was
not created or formed from what is created. He was made. We make things for a purpose.
Here is where we have a problem of both motive and trust. Yahweh is called the Lord of the OT. He is also said to have prophesied the coming of his
own messiah, Jesus, who was also called Adonai, or Adon. Yahweh was also called Adon in the OT.
The Tough Questions (The ones we would rather not ask)
Is it safe to assume that the one Yahweh made is Adon, or the Snake?
Is it possible that the entire story of payment of sin for humanity was actually a mirrored truth, which is what all counterfeit truth is?
Is it possible that the Story of Yahweh paying our sin was actually a cover for his punishment by the true God?
The Iffs (if and only if)
If any of these are true, then we return back to the motive:
If this is a mirrored lie, then what motivation would Yahweh have for asking us to forgive our enemies? If he IS the enemy, then we are forgiving him
ourselves without confession on his part.
If this is a mirrored lie, then what is the motivation for asking us to again be baptized into his kingdom? Remember that baptism is involution of
the soul into the waters of life below. In other words, here in this place of delusion, where nations ARE deceived.
If this is a mirrored lie, then we can assume there are many on this earth that know the truth. Israel would be a prime candidate. The Masons and/or
Jesuits would be prime candidates.
If war is the marker of Adon, then who is his Father? Abaddon, or Ab (Father) of Adon. Abaddon is the destroying angel from the bottomless pit,
which would be a good description of Yahweh, the war god.
If this is a mirrored lie, then the book of Revelation could very well be a mirrored deception asking us to watch for the coming of the true God. If
the true God (Elohim) comes to correct the error, mankind might be set in position to fight him at the whim of the deceiver.
I must confess that I only see this as a possibility for one reason: We were not told the truth of Genesis 9 and Yahweh's identity. Short of a
confession on his part, we only have his words in the NT to believe. Apart from a 'God' coming here to communicate, which we must assume they are
capable of doing, then we are left to speculate.
Speculation is what this is. I encourage us all to drop our bias and beliefs for the answers we all seek. We have had enough of "righteous war.' I
say it is time mankind overcomes the deception. Our only source is the one we see coming true from the words of the Lord that made the Snake.
His own words must be fulfilled. Love enemies (apart from war) and make peace (by repenting and confession). We have already confessed to him. He
has already forgiven us (All of Us).
Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
Christians among us: If you plan to call me a heretic, then at least join me in a prayer for answers to our common confusion. If you are honest, you
are just as confused with this babeled mess as the next guy.
Atheists among us: If you would like to see 'righteous war' ended, then set aside bias and condescension and join us in seeking the answer. We're
all in this together.
My only real questions to the LORD:
1) Why did you make the snake, then fight it using us as pawns?
2) Why did you keep the truth of Genesis 9 from us for so long?
3) Where are our definitions and presuppositions for actual truth in context?
4) Why do you leave us to speculate about Satan?
2 Timothy 2
23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all,
able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the
truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
I do not deny Christ. I ask questions only based on one thing: The nations are deceived. I assume that means all of us. You might ask, "How can
you ask these questions then?" My answer is simple:
2 Timothy 2
11 This is a faithful saying:
For if we died with Him,
We shall also live with Him.
12 If we endure,
We shall also reign with Him.
If we deny Him,
He also will deny us.
13 If we are faithless,
He remains faithful;
He cannot deny Himself.
As a Christian, I am the body of Christ. I cannot deny myself if the story is true. If the story is false, then I have only denied ignorance. As you
may know from my many threads on faith, I have plenty. Faith is not my problem. Ignorance is.
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