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But if you follow the history of the UFO age it runs almost concurrently with the Cold War and slowly goes out with the Phoenix Lights in 1997.
The Condign report ,which was conducted in the late 1990s by the UK MoD hints at weaponising the "phenomena" observed in Rendlesham Forest.
Whatever that really means. Rendlesham happened 28 years after the DC incidents.
The relevant comment (in full) from the Condign Report is as follows:
“The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods.
There may be other cases which remain unreported. It is clear that the recipients of these effects are not aware that their behaviour/perception of what they are observing is being modified”
(Volume 2, Working Paper 1, Annex F, page F-4, para 13).
originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: mirageman
Hi mirageman,
I wanted to thank you for your hard work on this thread and your Rendlesham Forest Incident thread. I know it's posted just above my post but this...
But if you follow the history of the UFO age it runs almost concurrently with the Cold War and slowly goes out with the Phoenix Lights in 1997.
...really blew my mind. I am wondering how greatly the mystery author of the report produced by Project Condign might have tapped the work of Andrew Pike and his asociate. Thanks for a great thread.
I am probably going off at a tangent here and there could well be a much more mundane, or even more exciting explanation for the DC sightings. But temperature inversions?????
I actually write up these threads to either refresh my memory on cases where I've long since forgotten the details or simply because I didn't know much about them in the first place.
It seemed clear that the microwaves pumped out from this new radar equipment were creating the foo fighters.The limited equipment even had to be transferred to Coastal Command in 1943 to detect U-boats in the North Atlantic....Powerful microwaves pumped into air...seemed to produce foo at certain wavelengths and powers under the right atmospheric conditions..
certain wavelengths and powers under the right atmospheric conditions
During the 1950s the AT&T Long Lines system of microwave relay links grew to carry the majority of US long distance telephone traffic, as well as intercontinental television network signals.[3] The prototype was called TDX and was tested with a connection between New York City and Murray Hill, the location of Bell Laboratories in 1946. The TDX system was set up between New York and Boston in 1947. The TDX was improved to the TD2, which still used klystron tubes in the transmitters, and then later to the TD3 that used solid state electronics. The main motivation in 1946 to use microwave radio instead of cable was that a large capacity could be installed quickly and at less cost. It was expected at that time that the annual operating costs for microwave radio would be greater than for cable. There were two main reasons that a large capacity had to be introduced suddenly: Pent up demand for long distance telephone service, because of the hiatus during the war years, and the new medium of television, which needed more bandwidth than radio.
Though not commonly known, the US Military used both portable and fixed-station microwave communications in the European Theater during WWII. Starting in the late 1940s, this continued to some degree into the 1960s, when many of these links were supplanted with tropospheric scatter or satellite systems. When the NATO military arm was formed, much of this existing equipment was transferred to communications groups. The typical communications systems used by NATO during that time period consisted of the technologies which had been developed for use by the telephone carrier entities in host countries.
The Korean War was an extension of American/Soviet hostility. The Koreans were pawns in a much greater game.
Contrary to America's policy which restrained armament (limited equipment was provided for infantry and police forces) to South Korea, Stalin extensively armed Kim Il Sung's North Korean army and air forces with military equipment and "advisors" far in excess of those required for defensive purposes in order to facilitate Kim's (a former Soviet Officer) aim of conquering the rest of the Korean peninsula.
originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
a reply to: ZetaRediculian
Yes ZR, I dislike the term "debunking" as well as "conspiracy theory/ist" and "believer" etc when all people are trying to do is get at the truth. It is true some people do get overly attached and emotional to some ideas/claims, but this happens in almost any field, for example physics, astronomy, medicine - and yet when people in those fields or others come up with speculative claims they would like to research they are not labelled with these pejorative terms.
I'm not sure if that is how its supposed to work. I think there were a couple of different "technologies" being discussed. One was the "Palladium" radar spoofing and the other was the foo fighters being generated FROM the radar. On top of that, its all super secret military stuff so I don't think there will be a demo anytime soon.
I just think getting false radar returns is one thing, maybe possible, but generating matter out of thin air is another, and would be rather revolutionary for contradicting the theory of energy/mass conservation. And if some kind of hologram was generated, like the "Foo" balls, I don't see how something with no solid mass would show up on radar.
And for the poster speculating about the Foo being radar generated, these energy balls would follow WWII planes closely and follow their movements, I don't think some random electromagnetic phenomenon would be capable of that. I guess we will have to do a thread on that.
This, ladies and gentlemen, should be replicable under controlled conditions.
CIA, under its assigned responsibilities, and in cooperation with the psychological strategy board, immediately investigate possible offensive or defensive utilization of the phenomena for psychological warfare purposes both for and against the United States, advising those agencies charged with U.S. internal security of any pertinent findings affecting their areas of responsibility.
www.deeppoliticsforum.com...
Among other things, this document contains confirmation that Battelle Memorial Institute was working on UFO project(s) at the time of the Robertson Panel, (January 1953), and apparently could exercise some amount of control over the handling of the subject matter.
www.cufon.org...
Therefore, we recommend that a controlled experiment be set up by which reliable physical data can be obtained. A tentative preliminary plan by which the experiment could be designed and carried out is discussed in the following paragraphs.
Assuming that, from our analysis, several definite areas productive of reports can be selected, we recommend that one or two of theses areas be set up as experimental areas. This area, or areas, should have observation posts with complete visual skywatch, with radar and photographic coverage, plus all other instruments necessary or helpful in obtaining positive and reliable data on everything in the air over the area. A very complete record of the weather should also be kept during the time of the experiment.
Coverage should be so complete that any object in the air could be tracked, and information as to its altitude, velocity, size, shape, color, time of day, etc. could be recorded. All balloon releases or known balloon paths, aircraft flights, and flights of rockets in the test area should be known to those in charge of the experiment. Many different types of aerial activity should be secretly and purposefully scheduled within the area.
www.philipcoppens.com...
This [Pentacle Memo] was the report that was also at the core of [Dr.] Leon Davidson’s enquiries and which made him conclude that the US government were using UFOs as part of a psychological warfare exercise…
...But Davidson pointed out that as early as 1945, mechanical countermeasures against radar had become publicly known – and used. It was known that these could cause blips on the radar screen, resulting in incorrect range, speed, or heading. This was called Electronic Countermeasures and Davidson believed this method of counterintelligence was used to present the myth that “UFOs” existed.
Davidson drew the infamous equation: ECM+CIA=UFO, suggesting that the CIA were creating ECM signals on radars, so that people would believe in the presence of UFOs, as they confirmed eyewitness accounts of anomalous objects in the sky. Furthermore, the anomalous blips were a perfect mechanism to distort the true capabilities of any new aircraft that was being test-flown – occasional sightings of which were passed off as UFOs too.
www.philipcoppens.com...
originally posted by: DexterRiley
That source indicates the picture is from
physicists attending conference celebrating Albert Einstein's 70th birthday
So, it's probably not related to the Robertson Panel.
"These people have seen something - What it is I do not know and am not curious to know".
Albert Einstein, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, New Jersey (reply letter to Californian Minister, July 23rd, 1952)
Article
originally posted by: mirageman
Definitely one of the most intriguing cases.
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: 1ofthe9
Thanks for the information.
My knowledge of how radar works is fairly rudimentary and this was merely a hypothesis based on the information Zeta provided on Project Palladium and from a scientific investigation which linked sightings of 'foo fighters' in WW2 to the presence of H25 AI (Air Interception) radar on certain allied aircraft. So anything else is more than welcome.
Post-war, the AN/APQ-13 became the first military radar converted to a domestic peacetime application as a storm warning radar. About thirty systems were converted and installed on military bases. It was replaced by the AN/CPS-9 system in 1949.
originally posted by: DexterRiley
a reply to: karl 12
That's interesting. It would make sense that the government would contact the greatest scientific mind of the day for opinions regarding the "flying saucer" phenomena. His rather terse reply to the pastor's letter, posted in the newspaper, is also somewhat indicative of someone who wants to keep his mouth shut.
In looking at the information you provided, as well as other info provided in the OP, I'm beginning to think that the US government's interest in the matter may have been particularly related to strategic threats posed by the UFOs rather than trying to determine what they were. At the time it's unlikely they had any idea what they were, and no way of determining it. So, the only thing they could do was to play it down and hope for the best.
In the years since then I would wager that a great deal more has come to light. This may include contact.
Thanks for the new information.
dex
originally posted by: Aliensun
I was surprised to find that Al Chop was mentioned as the AF PR man for Blue Book . He was later to be the public voice for NASA.
"You must remember that I was privy to the project files. These contained hundreds of official reports of UFO encounters made by military personnel from all branches of the service. They were all classified with a high degree of security classification. Almost all of these made pretty scary reading from the verbatim descriptions of the pilots concerned"
Albert M. Chop, Air Force UFO Public Information Officer at the Pentagon
The Chop Clearance List.
A lot of people seem to think the Air Force explanation is implausible, but it's not without some support and if correct would certainly explain why there were no UFO photographs (and why is this case considered so good with literally zero photos, when there was enough time to scramble interceptors, etc?):
originally posted by: CollisioN
So people did not have a camera at that time?|How was It never recorded
Samford argued that the radar contacts were not caused by solid material targets, and therefore posed no threat to national security. In response to a question as to whether the Air Force had recorded similar UFO radar contacts prior to the Washington incident, Samford admitted that there had been "hundreds" of such contacts where Air Force fighter interceptions had taken place, but stated they were all "fruitless." The conference proved to be successful "in getting the press off our backs", Ruppelt later wrote.[24]
Among the witnesses who supported Samford's explanation was the crew of a B-25 bomber, which had been flying over Washington during the sightings of July 26–27. The bomber was vectored several times by National Airport over unknown targets on the airport's radarscopes, yet the crew could see nothing unusual. Finally, as a crew member related, "the radar had a target which turned out to be the Wilson Lines steamboat trip to Mount Vernon...the radar was sure as hell picking up the steamboat."[25] Air Force Captain Harold May was in the radar center at Andrews AFB during the sightings of July 19–20. Upon hearing that National Airport's radar had picked up an unknown object heading in his direction, May stepped outside and saw "a light that was changing from red to orange to green to red again...at times it dipped suddenly and appeared to lose altitude." However, May eventually concluded that he was simply seeing a star that was distorted by the atmosphere, and that its "movement" was an illusion.[26] At 3 a.m. on July 27, an Eastern Airlines flight over Washington was told that an unknown object was in its vicinity; the crew could see nothing unusual. When they were told that the object had moved directly behind their plane, they began a sharp turn to try to see the object, but were told by National Airport's radar center that the object had "disappeared" when they began their turn. At the request of the Air Force, the CAA's Technical Development and Evaluation Center did an analysis of the radar sightings. Their conclusion was that "a temperature inversion had been indicated in almost every instance when the unidentified radar targets or visual objects had been reported."[27] Project Blue Book would eventually label the Washington radar objects as "mirage effects caused by double inversion" and the visual sightings as "meteors coupled with the normal excitement of witnesses."[28] In later years two prominent UFO skeptics, Dr. Donald Menzel, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Philip Klass, a senior editor for Aviation Week magazine, would also argue in favor of the temperature inversion/mirage hypothesis.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
A lot of people seem to think the Air Force explanation is implausible, but it's not without some support and if correct would certainly explain why there were no UFO photographs (and why is this case considered so good with literally zero photos, when there was enough time to scramble interceptors, etc?):
Just after 3 a.m., two jet fighters scrambled from Delaware arrived over Washington. All of the objects abruptly vanished from the radar screens. Bizarrely the objects returned almost as soon as the interceptors landed to refuel some 20-30 minutes later. Barnes was convinced that the UFOs were somehow monitoring air traffic and “behaving accordingly." The objects last blips on the radar occurred at around 5:30 hrs.
First Weekend of Sightings
At first the objects seemed to be moving slowly across radar scopes. But they would then rapidly change direction and move at speeds calculated to be 7,000 mph. By 23:30 hrs, two jet fighters from Newcastle AFB in Delaware arrived over Washington. Flight leader, Capt. John McHugo, saw nothing, despite a number of intercept attempts. Wingman, Lt. William Patterson, however, spotted four white glowing lights headed towards their location. The lights surrounded his fighter leaving Patterson desperately requesting instructions from the control tower at National Airport . He heard only a stunned silence. There was no procedure to deal with such an encounter. The four brightly lit objects then sped away from Patterson's jet and disappeared much to everyone’s relief.
Second Weekend of Sightings
In the late 1950s, chemist Leon Davidson worked at Los Alamos, the research facility where the atomic scientists had endeavoured to control the force of the atom. But atoms were not the main thing on this scientist’s mind. Davidson was interested in UFOs and hunted down the then top secret CIA Robertson Panel report. This led him to the conclusion that the CIA were actively promoting UFOs as ETs, a conclusion few have been able – or willing – to accept since.
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...Later, Davidson would write: “It became clear [to me], early in the 1950’s, that the CIA, specifically Allen Dulles, had used legitimate ‘flying saucers’ events […] as a tool in the Cold War.
At the time, a lot of emphasis was placed on UFO sightings that were confirmed by radar – as late as 1989 and the Belgian UFO wave, specific emphasis continues to be placed on this “technological confirmation”. But Davidson pointed out that as early as 1945, mechanical countermeasures against radar had become publicly known – and used. It was known that these could cause blips on the radar screen, resulting in incorrect range, speed, or heading. This was called Electronic Countermeasures and Davidson believed this method of counterintelligence was used to present the myth that “UFOs” existed. Davidson drew the infamous equation: ECM+CIA=UFO, suggesting that the CIA were creating ECM signals on radars, so that people would believe in the presence of UFOs, as they confirmed eyewitness accounts of anomalous objects in the sky. Furthermore, the anomalous blips were a perfect mechanism to distort the true capabilities of any new aircraft that was being test-flown – occasional sightings of which were passed off as UFOs too.
At least one radar target seems to be known:
originally posted by: mirageman
As far as I'm concerned this case is simply another 'unknown'.
"the radar had a target which turned out to be the Wilson Lines steamboat trip to Mount Vernon...the radar was sure as hell picking up the steamboat."