"American is now a curse word"

originally posted by: intrptr
Those actions were responses to what the West, i.e., US/EU/NATO did first. Did you turn a blind eye when the Americans gave Stingers to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to shoot down Russian planes and helicopters?

You mean we provided military aid because Russia invaded Afghanistan?

originally posted by: intrptr
"Those" centrifuges aren't making bomb grade uranium. That doesn't stop the US government and its allies from making false accusations, though.

As always you fail to understand the iran nuke issue. The concern is the ability to make, which Iran has.

originally posted by: intrptr
Every time the US wants another inspection the IAEA comes up empty. Hint: The vilification of Iran is not about their imaginary Nuclear Weapons program.

Its about irans inability to conform with the IAEA treaty they signed

originally posted by: intrptr
The world of make believe isn't in Iran. Its part of the very real western program to dominate the entire region.

Your right the world of make believe is not Iran. Its in Putins mindset.

a reply to: intrptr

Once again yo0u trot out a youtube video from 2007 an d during the Bush administration.

Obama is president now and has not invade / attacked Iran now has he?


Your living in the past just as Putin does.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: intrptr

There has never been an agreement by NATO to not expand. Repeating the lie over and over does not change the fact its a lie.

NATO - Russia relations: NATO Facts verse Russian Falsehoods

Russian claims that NATO promised not to enlarge

Russian officials claim that US and German officials promised in 1990 that NATO would not expand into Eastern and Central Europe, build military infrastructure near Russia’s borders or permanently deploy troops there.

No such pledge was made, and no evidence to back up Russia’s claims has ever been produced. Should such a promise have been made by NATO as such, it would have to have been as a formal, written decision by all NATO Allies. Furthermore, the consideration of enlarging NATO came years after German reunification. This issue was not yet on the agenda when Russia claims these promises were made.

Allegations about NATO pledging not to build infrastructure close to Russia are equally inaccurate. In the Founding Act, NATO reiterated “in the current and foreseeable security environment, the Alliance will carry out its collective defence and other missions by ensuring the necessary interoperability, integration, and capability for reinforcement rather than by additional permanent stationing of substantial combat forces. Accordingly, it will have to rely on adequate infrastructure commensurate with the above tasks. In this context, reinforcement may take place, when necessary, in the event of defence against a threat of aggression and missions in support of peace consistent with the United Nations Charter and the OSCE governing principles, as well as for exercises consistent with the adapted CFE Treaty, the provisions of the Vienna Document 1994 and mutually agreed transparency measures.”

NATO has indeed supported the upgrading of military infrastructure, such as air bases, in the countries which have joined the Alliance, commensurate with the requirements for reinforcement and exercises. However, the only combat forces permanently stationed on the territory of the new members are their own armed forces.

Even before the Ukraine crisis, the only routinely visible sign of Alliance forces in the new members were the NATO jets used in the Baltic States for the air policing mission. These minimal defensive assets cannot be described as substantial combat forces in the meaning of the Founding Act.

Since the crisis, NATO has taken steps to increase situational awareness and bolster the defences of our Eastern members. This, too, is entirely consistent with the Founding Act and is a direct result of Russia’s destabilizing military actions.

Finally, the Act also states, “Russia will exercise similar restraint in its conventional force deployments in Europe.” Russia’s aggression against Ukraine is a flagrant breach of this commitment, as is its unilateral suspension of compliance with the CFE Treaty.

You are quite correct.

However, The US and Russia did have a non-ratifiable agreement that NATO would not permanently build-up forces in the new eastern European member states:

Clinton and Yeltsin signed five separate joint statements.

In one, both presidents pledged to press their legislatures for ratification of the Chemical Weapons Convention, a treaty banning the production or deployment of poison gas weapons that enters into force on April 29 but has not been ratified by the two countries with the biggest chemical arsenals.

(...)

The third statement dealt with the NATO-European security issue.

It said Yeltsin "underscored Russian concerns that NATO enlargement will lead to a potentially threatening buildup of permanently stationed combat forces of NATO near to Russia. President Clinton stressed that the Alliance contemplates nothing of the kind."

Source: www.washingtonpost.com...

Things to note here are that the "agreement" was between President Clinton and President Yeltsin. It did not require senate ratification. It did not prohibit the stationing of temporary forces in the new member states. It was non-binding, i.e. NATO or even Clinton could change position in the future.

None the less, the Russian position in regards to NATO has been generally unchanging since September 1991 when Yeltsin asserted his position that NATO must not expand, and then accepted exactly that. Mind you, he was a liberal poodle of the west and Betrayer of Russia.

originally posted by: michaelbrux
Innocent? From my point of view its Americans that are defending themselves. American hasn't committed a single crime against anyone. I dare you to prove otherwise.

I won't be getting any help however and this will continue indefinitely until you all come to terms with reality.

you won't like what you discover, i'd bet.

From the perspective of those in the middle east such as ISIS the US spends it's vast sums of wealth to infiltrate their nations, and make them rule according to our wishes. We are using our money to cut off their sovereignty and meddle in their affairs. To make matters worse, they see it as a religious stuggle of Christians and Jews oppressing Muslims as well.

As a US citizen would you be happy if China spent vast sums of money in the US in order to convince our leaders and businesses to write pro China trade policies? That is what we are doing to the Middle East. And you don't see why they are just a tad bit upset?

originally posted by: Aazadan

As a US citizen would you be happy if China spent vast sums of money in the US in order to convince our leaders and businesses to write pro China trade policies? That is what we are doing to the Middle East. And you don't see why they are just a tad bit upset?

1996 United States campaign finance controversy

The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese Embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC[2] in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The Chinese government denied all accusations.

Or Russia and her return to the USSR 2.0?
Putin’s far-right ambition: Think-tank reveals how Russian President is wooing – and funding – populist parties across Europe to gain influence in the EU

There were people charged and convicted.

Now let me ask this question -
If China was comfortable enough to try to influence the US government elections to get people elected that would work in the interest of China, why would China, or Russia for that matter, not do the same elsewhere, like maybe Nicaragua and the Chinese canal they want to build there?

Russia and China are ery protective of their political systems and routinely demand others not interfere in their politics.

So its ok for Russia and China to do it to others?

Like Yanukovych?

The point -
You guys really need to get off the US is the root of all evil in the world and accept the fact Russia and China are just as guilty.

a reply to: buster2010

You post like your avatar...

History? I've lived it considerably longer than you and my family line is from that part of the world.

a reply to: buster2010

Their Parliament!? Of course that makes it pristine..LMAO.

a reply to: Xcathdra

There has never been an agreement by NATO to not expand.

Thats what Hitler said, too.

a reply to: Xcathdra

You mean we provided military aid because Russia invaded Afghanistan?

Don't let me hear you complain about the Russians aiding anyone in the path of the US military steam roller.

a reply to: Xcathdra

As always you fail to understand the iran nuke issue. The concern is the ability to make, which Iran has.

The Iran Nuke issue is the fabrication.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Its about irons inability to conform with the IAEA treaty they signed

I thought it was about demonizing Iran enough to justify bombing them. Like that hasn't been done before.

Hitler opened too many fronts, too. I predict that is what the west will continue to do.

So far, I'm right.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Your right the world of make believe is not Iran. Its in Putins mindset.

See the reply above this one.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Once again yo0u trot out a youtube video from 2007 an d during the Bush administration.
Obama is president now and has not invade / attacked Iran now has he?

6 out of 7 ain't bad. Stay tuned.

Your living in the past just as Putin does.

We are recreating the same past, history repeating itself.

All empires eventually fail because they get too greedy. This time around, the empire builders think they have an edge. They always do.

Thanks for the carpet bomb of replies, have a nice day.

originally posted by: Malynn
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

The fact that you think "liberals" are the cause of all America's problems only outlines the real problem: Americans. More interested in fighting each other than the real enemy.

Americans are the problem. But not all of them. The real problem is our government which just so happens to be run by liberals at the moment. Get rid of the leeches, get rid of the government and get rid of the society of "gimmie". THAT would at least be a good start.

I have purposely stopped posting here for a few months because of the absolute ridiculous stances that some of the posters have but this thread and another where certain posters, mainly American, are defending America's vote against denouncing Nazism have brought me out of lurking mode. The absolute ridiculousness of American posters saying that someone should be deported/sent home for exercising their right to free speech is hilarious. The same people boast about all the "freedom" america brings to the world and the want this man to shut up when he uses said "freedom" to speak out.

Ps I would also like to add that while lurking you see certain patterns of suspicious posting by members, people should give it a go and see for themselves.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

I felt a bit ashamed in `03 when polls showed that 88% of my country was against the Iraq war, while in the surrounding countries it was above 90%. That didn`t mean 12% was pro in my country because there were also people without opinion.

I still remember 53% of Americans were for the war (as the only country in the World, the rest of the World was on average about 90% against it), the against figures I don`t remember exactly but it was in the about 35/45% range.

I can`t imagine how the people who were anti must have felt in America back then, my guess is they still feel the same now.

No normal human being can be pro useless suffering of ordinary people unless you`re a sociopath...it simply can`t be true there are so many sociopaths in America.

The actions of the West aren`t for anything else as to keep the power of a small bunch sociopaths, they are not for protecting us ordinary Western people.

originally posted by: michaelbrux


whatever happened to being badassed, is that popular anymore?

What are you like 5 ?

Any history shows the more "badass" a country gets the more likely it is to fall.
Persia,Greece, Rome, habsburg empire, Spain, Britain, NAZI Germany.......USA will be no exception

a reply to: crazyewok

and your point is? that you should be a passive aggressive psychopath nation for long life?

i guarantee your passive country will be enslaved within weeks and your slaver will thank you for it.

yours path is a circle to nothing and nowhere...i'll just stay on my own path and await your PROOF of your beliefs.

curse all you like.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: michaelbrux
Innocent? From my point of view its Americans that are defending themselves. American hasn't committed a single crime against anyone. I dare you to prove otherwise.

I won't be getting any help however and this will continue indefinitely until you all come to terms with reality.

you won't like what you discover, i'd bet.

From the perspective of those in the middle east such as ISIS the US spends it's vast sums of wealth to infiltrate their nations, and make them rule according to our wishes. We are using our money to cut off their sovereignty and meddle in their affairs. To make matters worse, they see it as a religious stuggle of Christians and Jews oppressing Muslims as well.

As a US citizen would you be happy if China spent vast sums of money in the US in order to convince our leaders and businesses to write pro China trade policies? That is what we are doing to the Middle East. And you don't see why they are just a tad bit upset?

this thread is about American, thus America, not the USA.

if you can cut off sovereignty with money, sovereignty never existed.

China/Asia and America are great friends and lovers and they have an inside track on all of that by virtue of this Truth alone. the Asian/American alliance is the real reason behind your 14 years long war.

i'm sorry you guys are so far behind of the curve.

the fact is that the people that consider American a curse word stole things from the wrong person and now its time for them to answer for their crimes...all the rest is subterfuge. and no, i don't feel bad.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So how long have you been working for Russians? The reason i ask is it's becoming apparent that you either Have a crush on Putin or You work for Russia.