Did NASA just admit they never put Man on The Moon? [Video]

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: FoosM

Here you can have an attractive person explain it to you:

Awww... Sooo cute

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

originally posted by: Phage

Secondly, there is an article about his trip Antarctica

And does it say he went to Antarctica "to collect meteorites?"

Of course not, that would have made everyone suspicious. His cover story was to test the equipment - like he had to go to Antarctica for that.

AJP092502 - Wernher von Braun walks around a replica of the Apollo 11 moon landing at Atlanta’s Southeastern Fair, 9/25/69.

-MM

That "replica" in Atlanta is very interesting. I have never seen that picture posted in an Apollo thread on ATS. Thanks!

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Of course not, that would have made everyone suspicious. His cover story was to test the equipment - like he had to go to Antarctica for that.

Wrong again. Von Braun went to Antarctica to observe how men relate to each other under hazardous environmental conditions, something you really can't do when your subjects know that an ambulance is a telephone call away.

originally posted by: SayonaraJupiter

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

originally posted by: Phage

Secondly, there is an article about his trip Antarctica

And does it say he went to Antarctica "to collect meteorites?"

Of course not, that would have made everyone suspicious. His cover story was to test the equipment - like he had to go to Antarctica for that.

AJP092502 - Wernher von Braun walks around a replica of the Apollo 11 moon landing at Atlanta’s Southeastern Fair, 9/25/69.

-MM

That "replica" in Atlanta is very interesting. I have never seen that picture posted in an Apollo thread on ATS. Thanks!

It is a cool picture alright, ASJ means it is an Associated Press International picture in case you did not know. Here is a second source for the picture:

AJP092502

If you look closely the replica even has the footprints that was later proven did not match the soles on the boots that the astronauts wore when moonwalking.

-MM

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

If you look closely the replica even has the footprints that was later proven did not match the soles on the boots that the astronauts wore when moonwalking.

Just for fun, would you care to elaborate on this statement?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

If you look closely the replica even has the footprints that was later proven did not match the soles on the boots that the astronauts wore when moonwalking.

Just for fun, would you care to elaborate on this statement?

Sure, sir. The spacesuit that Neil Armstrong wore during the alleged first moonwalk is now on public display at the Neil Armstrong Museum in Ohio, and here is a picture of the sole on the spacesuit's boot from the museum exhibition.

Apollo 11 boot on display at the Neil Armstrong Museum in Ohio

, and here is a picture from the Apollo 11 mission that according to NASA shows a footprint made by Neil Armstrong while on the moon.

First footprint on the moon

As you can clearly see, the sole on Neil Armstrongs boot does not match the footprint. Thus it is evident that either the NASA moon photo of the first footprint is fake, or the Neil Armstrong Museums space suit is fake. Take your pick.

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
As you can clearly see, the sole on Neil Armstrongs boot does not match the footprint. Thus it is evident that either the NASA moon photo of the first footprint is fake, or the Neil Armstrong Museums space suit is fake. Take your pick.

I'l pick this third option:
There was an "overshoe" garment worn by the Apollo astronauts on the moon that went over the regular boot.



The plaque on this display reads:

Overshoe, Lunar - Left, Training
This overshoe went over the regular boot area on the space suit version used on the Moon, called the A7LB Space Suit. The shoe provides extra protection from rips, tears, and dust to the basic space suit. These overshoes left the distinctive footprints, which are still on the Moon to this day.

The overshoe above is a training overshoe. The actual overshoes used by the astronauts for the lunar EVAs were left behind on the Moon (with many other items) to save weight for lunar liftoff.


More images of the overshoe:

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

If you look closely the replica even has the footprints that was later proven did not match the soles on the boots that the astronauts wore when moonwalking.

Just for fun, would you care to elaborate on this statement?

Sure, sir. The spacesuit that Neil Armstrong wore during the alleged first moonwalk is now on public display at the Neil Armstrong Museum in Ohio, and here is a picture of the sole on the spacesuit's boot from the museum exhibition.

Apollo 11 boot on display at the Neil Armstrong Museum in Ohio

, and here is a picture from the Apollo 11 mission that according to NASA shows a footprint made by Neil Armstrong while on the moon.

First footprint on the moon

As you can clearly see, the sole on Neil Armstrongs boot does not match the footprint. Thus it is evident that either the NASA moon photo of the first footprint is fake, or the Neil Armstrong Museums space suit is fake. Take your pick.

-MM

Seriously? Here is a diagram of the A7 suit:



This is the sort of suit Armstrong wore inside the spacecraft. Note what it says on the bottom: "Note: Extravehicular gloves and lunar overshoes not shown."

Here is a photo of the lunar overshoes:



The treads on these do match the footprints in the photos, proving your claim preposterously wrong.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: FoosM

It seems you think a millirad is more than a rad...the opposite is true.

stream1.gifsoup.com...

I think you are replying to the wrong person raymundo.
But since you want to jump into the conversation, lets get to it.

172 Millirads is 0.172 rads.
For your edification, I am going to use the link I know you got your information from:
Radiation Exposure to Astronauts and Equipment

For orbits at 250 - 300 km at 65 degree inclinations to the equator you get about 10 millirads/day. These numbers are from Volume II of the "Foundations of Space Biology and Medicine" NASA SP-374 published in 1975. Passes through the Van Allen radiation belts give you 10 - 20 rads/hour but most manned flights avoid them, and passages through them last about 10 - 20 minutes.

Van Allen Belts and Space Travel

Over the course of the lunar missions, astronauts were exposed to doses lower than the yearly 5 rem average experienced by workers with the Atomic Energy Commission who regularly deal with radioactive materials.

Yeah, and you dont see that as a problem? You dont see the red-flags waving?

I'll ask you the same question.
Explain how a 7 day mission (Gemini) has more rads than an 8 day mission (Apollo).
And I'm going to throw in the following:

The radiation environment of deep space is different from that on the Earth's surface or in low Earth orbit, due to the much larger flux of high-energy galactic cosmic rays (GCRs), along with radiation from solar proton events (SPEs) and the radiation belts.

Galactic cosmic rays create a continuous radiation dose throughout the Solar System

wiki

So no matter what, going beyond LEO would increase your exposure to radiation. And before
you bring up shielding from the Apollo craft, bring up the fact that astronauts walked on the moon in space suits and did
deep space space walks. So taking into consideration: VABs, GCRs, SPEs, Solar Flares, being outside the craft on the Moon, in deep Space:

Explain how a 7 day Gemini mission in LEO absorbed a larger dose of ionizing radiation than an 8 day Apollo mission ?

Here you can have an attractive person explain it to you:

Is that you raymundoko?

Here is what this video is telling me.
The belts were such a problem they actually thought the best solution was to blow it up with a nuclear device.

Instead they made the problem worse:

While some of the energetic beta particles followed the Earth's magnetic field and illuminated the sky, other high-energy electrons became trapped and formed radiation belts around the earth. There was much uncertainty and debate[who?] about the composition, magnitude and potential adverse effects from this trapped radiation after the detonation. The weaponeers became quite worried when three satellites in low earth orbit were disabled. These man-made radiation belts eventually crippled one-third of all satellites in low earth orbit. Seven satellites failed over the months following the test as radiation damaged their solar arrays or electronics, including the first commercial relay communication satellite, Telstar.[11][12][13] Detectors on Telstar, TRAAC, Injun, and Ariel 1 were used to measure distribution of the radiation produced by the tests.[14]

In 1963, Brown et al. reported in the Journal of Geophysical Research that Starfish Prime had created a belt of MeV electrons,[15] and Wilmot Hess reported in 1968 that some Starfish electrons remained for five years

wiki

But then these scientists grew a brain and thought 'if you cant get through it go around it'??
Why wasn't this their first option? What did they base this info on? I thought the trip to the moon was based on the fastest trajectory, not on going around the belts.

originally posted by: SayonaraJupiter

AJP092502 - Wernher von Braun walks around a replica of the Apollo 11 moon landing at Atlanta’s Southeastern Fair, 9/25/69.
That "replica" in Atlanta is very interesting. I have never seen that picture posted in an Apollo thread on ATS. Thanks!

I'll give you a hint of what is so strange with this set, see if you can spot the same as I did in this official Apollo image:

Apollo 11 image

You will need to compare it with the higher resolution image of the moon set:
High-res AJP092502

See the smoking gun? Compare the area around the reflector. See it? The "replica" matches every bootprint, every stone, and every little pebble exactly - a work of perfectionists set makers, or is this an actual part of the moon set used for faking the Apollo 11 mission?

This photo was taken two months and one day after the Apollo 11 splashed down in the ocean, would there even be enough time to make such an exact replica match in that time?

-MM

So... you are implying that the lunar landings were actually filmed.at a state fair in Atlanta, Georgia? Naturally, you will post a point by point graphic comparison of this photograph to those from Apollo 11 to support your claim.... post=18775505]MerkabaMeditation[/post]

The Gemini missions passed through the South Atlantic Anomaly.a reply to: FoosM

originally posted by: DJW001
So... you are implying that the lunar landings were actually filmed.at a state fair in Atlanta, Georgia? Naturally, you will post a point by point graphic comparison of this photograph to those from Apollo 11 to support your claim.... post=18775505]MerkabaMeditation[/post]

Did it already, see here.

-MM

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
See the smoking gun? Compare the area around the reflector. See it? The "replica" matches every bootprint, every stone, and every little pebble exactly - a work of perfectionists set makers, or is this an actual part of the moon set used for faking the Apollo 11 mission?

This photo was taken two months and one day after the Apollo 11 splashed down in the ocean, would there even be enough time to make such an exact replica match in that time?

-MM

Hmm. I'm not seeing the "exactness" that you are claiming to see.

Here are differences I noticed:


Click Here for Larger Annotated Image



Click Here for Larger Non-Annotated Image


Granted, there are similar footprints near the reflector in both images, but in your annotated comparison image here, the footprints are not really in the same place in the replica as they are in the Apollo image.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

I made a seperate ATS post here on the moon set.

-MM

originally posted by: DJW001
The Gemini missions passed through the South Atlantic Anomaly.a reply to: FoosM

You mean a small portion of the VAB... so what?
You dont think Apollo missions did?

a reply to: FoosM

Not through the SAA they didn't. That's far more than "a small portion of the VAB". They shut down satellites that spend any length of time in the heart of the SAA.

originally posted by: FoosM

So no matter what, going beyond LEO would increase your exposure to radiation. And before
you bring up shielding from the Apollo craft, bring up the fact that astronauts walked on the moon in space suits and did
deep space space walks. So taking into consideration: VABs, GCRs, SPEs, Solar Flares, being outside the craft on the Moon, in deep Space:

Explain how a 7 day Gemini mission in LEO absorbed a larger dose of ionizing radiation than an 8 day Apollo mission ?

you are assuming that all sources of particle radiation is completely penetrating the Command Modules hull.. until you can understand the concept of how the shielding works you will never be satisfied..

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: FoosM

So no matter what, going beyond LEO would increase your exposure to radiation. And before
you bring up shielding from the Apollo craft, bring up the fact that astronauts walked on the moon in space suits and did
deep space space walks. So taking into consideration: VABs, GCRs, SPEs, Solar Flares, being outside the craft on the Moon, in deep Space:

Explain how a 7 day Gemini mission in LEO absorbed a larger dose of ionizing radiation than an 8 day Apollo mission ?

you are assuming that all sources of particle radiation is completely penetrating the Command Modules hull.. until you can understand the concept of how the shielding works you will never be satisfied..

Choos, just answer the question:

Explain how a 7 day Gemini mission in LEO absorbed a larger dose of ionizing radiation than an 8 day Apollo mission ?
If you can't explain it, just say so.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: FoosM

Not through the SAA they didn't. That's far more than "a small portion of the VAB". They shut down satellites that spend any length of time in the heart of the SAA.

Ah, so what you are saying is, if Apollo did go through the SAA it would have a higher absorbed dose than Gemini.