White teen killed by black cop in Alabama mirrors Ferguson...yet no outrage

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
I wonder how much people here condemning the Ferguson protesters have actually experienced being profiled and harassed by the police for no good reason, I imagine it would make anyone quite frustrated. Just for a second try imagine constantly being treated like that day in day out.

Reason? Like what? What is being harassed?

Many on ATS think they're being harassed if a cop ask them what their name is and if they live in the neighborhood. I don't consider that being harassed.

I don't consider a cop stopping me and asking me questions being harassed. I consider that a cop doing his job.

And yes, I have been stopped by cops and asked questions. I simply answered the questions. They said "Thanks, have a nice day".

There is a lot of unfairness about this issue and its not a coincidence that race is at the core.

Whenever a black person does something good its "the black community". Whenever a black person does something bad its "don't lump us all together into one group". I have been hearing excuses and garbage for years and it never ends.

I wont mince words here - I don't like or trust black people. I don't say that based on stereotypical images, faulty parenting, popular media, or social bias. I base that entirely on my own experience with black people. I did not have an opinion about black people before. I learned this opinion directly from black people themselves.

Twice in my life I have opened my home and invited black people in. Both times I caught them red-handed stealing from me. It was not as if they were forced to do it. The only thing they needed to rob me was an opportunity. I left the room once for about two minutes to get beverages. When I returned my wrist watch, which I had just removed, was no longer on my desk where I had left it. I was out of the room two minutes max. That means there wasn't much deliberation about the theft. It was pretty quickly decided on.

The second time I invited black people into my home was at the urging of a friend who vouched for them saying they were nice people. I had my reservations, but I said ok. I didn't want to judge these people I had never met based on the actions of the ones I had previously trusted in my home. I did some cleaning up just before their arrival and was aware of the location of most everything in my family room, where we would be sitting. Things seemed to be going fairly well until there was a knock at the door. I excused myself and answered the door. When I returned I noticed two things. One, my friend was in the restroom. Two, the top row of my cd tower was now empty. Completely. They were not alone more than a minute. Again, there wasn't any time to decide whether to steal or not. It was immediate. Moments later the two thieves stood saying they had to get going. I walked them to the door and started to open it, then closed it on them and said, "Do you really think I am just going to let you walk out of here?" The man lifted his shirt and handed me the cd's. He shrugged and said, "You cant blame a guy for trying", and laughed. I laughed and said, "You think thats it? Now I just let you walk out of here?" He hesitated for a moment and looked worried. I was thinking about cracking him a good shot in the eye when he did something that completely surprised me. He reached in his pocket and pulled out my wallet. I didn't even know he had it. I took it from him, then cracked him in the eye. My friend escorted them outside where he kicked the crap out of the guy. I have to admit, I felt good watching it happen.

Am I racist? Maybe. But I didn't learn it from my parents, or tv, or the KKK. I learned it from black people. Say what you want, but I learned my lesson. How many times do I have to get burned before its ok for me to stop sticking my hand in the fire? I reached my limit at two - whether you like it or not is your problem.

originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
My own personal observation has been that whites tend to be obedient sheep more than blacks in cases like this. Whites tend to accept and defend police brutality, even when it hits one of their own. Whites tend to support cops pretty blindly as a whole. The fact that no charges or demands for secondary investigations into this shooting have been made just strengthens my opinion in this matter.

The reason no backlash was made is because no one will make the backlash for him.

Talk about ignorant statements this whole post if turned around would immediately be outed as racist

This post is ironically a mirror of what we're talking about

You say this even as you sit on this website and see the outrage over police brutality posted day after day...

I guess you think everyone that starts those threads aren't white?

Cognitive disconnect much?

Also I thought that the protesters weren't just black? Or do we only use that phrase when it fits the agenda?

I am so tired of the whole Ferguson thing. Those people took that way too far, Obama didn't do # about it, and now this comes to light, and there's nothing? Hell no. This seems like it was strategically planned out, like they wanted this to happen, just to cause a civil uproar and see how far our stupid asses would take it. Its hypocritical bs.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask


Talk about ignorant statements this whole post if turned around would immediately be outed as racist

This post is ironically a mirror of what we're talking about

You say this even as you sit on this website and see the outrage over police brutality posted day after day...

I guess you think everyone that starts those threads aren't white?

Cognitive disconnect much?

Also I thought that the protesters weren't just black? Or do we only use that phrase when it fits the agenda?

If you had any critical observation skills, you would understand that:

1. A handful of pissed off white kids (and compared to the numbers of whites vs blacks in this country, the white protesters are a mere handful) does not outrage make.

2. My comment was aimed at the vast majority of white America, which does indeed sit back and accept police brutality. How many times have I heard a white person automatically give a cop a free pass in any brutality or police murder incident, regardless of the race of the victim. How many times have I listened to white people, whenever a case of cops shooting or beating a suspect say things like "Well, if the cop shot him, there was a good reason".

3. Blacks, on the other hand, through years of experience with excessive police force, do react. Not always in good ways (rioting ain't going to fix bad cops). But they do react.

4. Police brutality, at least as far as I am concerned and have read, is a problem that effects all races, yet only blacks (and sometimes, other minorities) are the ones who react and make an issue.

So yes, if white people keep sitting back and assuming cops are always justified in their actions, then they are sheep.

a reply to: Battleline

Hey thanks. I appreciate that. See I would make a thread, but I know it would make no difference so it's whatever.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

The flip side of your statement is the continued lumping together of all LEOs. So many statements and opinions begin with "cops..." Not "some cops" not "a lot of cops" but just "cops."

I would think Hispanics experience the same racial profiling but don't see them react the same way as in ferguson.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

Its been born into poverty and not been given a chance from the start that causes the behavior your talking about. White people can and do act the exact same way when exposed to the same circumstances.

I was born into poverty. Dad ran off, single working mom, raised by grandmother.

Just STOP IT!

STOP THE EXCUSES!!!!!!!

You don't want to be a VICTIM? Then stop being a VICTIM!

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

I have no critical observation skills , but you don't see how yet again, you've made a bigoted and and inaccurate blanket statement....

Truly laughable......

You can insult me all you like. That doesn't change the fact that your statements aren't true. Nor does it lend any credence to them

There have been protest from white people about brutality. There have been people speaking out ....

The difference is they haven't burned down their neighborhoods or destroyed property or threatened to kill the police officers. So it doesn't get the same coverage....or attention

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Totally agree.. I was raised in poverty, I remember watching my parents lose the family home I grew up in.. Did I turn to crime or questionable behavior? No... I used it as a tool, a motivation tool to create a better life for myself so I wouldn't end up like my parents. I want a life better for myself so I worked at it, working/paying my own way through junior college than a 4 year university... People from poverty do have options, but many like to just follow the herd into no mans land. I didn't want to be a negative statistic, so I did something about it.. Too bad more people in this country don't understand that you play the hand you're dealt, but there's multiple outcomes for every hand out there...

originally posted by: jhn7537
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Totally agree.. I was raised in poverty, I remember watching my parents lose the family home I grew up in.. Did I turn to crime or questionable behavior? No... I used it as a tool, a motivation tool to create a better life for myself so I wouldn't end up like my parents. I want a life better for myself so I worked at it, working/paying my own way through junior college than a 4 year university... People from poverty do have options, but many like to just follow the herd into no mans land. I didn't want to be a negative statistic, so I did something about it.. Too bad more people in this country don't understand that you play the hand you're dealt, but there's multiple outcomes for every hand out there...

Absolutely man and good for you! It's good to see people using hardship as empowerment, and that's how it should be used!

What's interestint is a lot of people talking about "well they're a minority and discrimination " yada yada. Can be heard and seen elsewhere talking about new age self empowerment and looking inward to find truth and determine your own destiny...

Why does this MAGICALLY not apply here.....honestly I find it hypocritical and insulting. That for some reason they believe that because someone is black they don't have the ability to succeed as well as white people...

Because if they look at it honestly, that's exactly what they are saying!

And they call us the racist because we advocate rising above your station dealt in life to become better then where you are!

Unbelievable how backwards this world has become

originally posted by: LookingForAce
Those people took that way too far, Obama didn't do # about it, and now this comes to light, and there's nothing? Hell no. This seems like it was strategically planned out, like they wanted this to happen, just to cause a civil uproar and see how far our stupid asses would take it. Its hypocritical bs.

Was Obama around for the Watts riots?

The area of rioting was surrounded by National Guard --- containing the rioters to a small area -- letting them "burn themselves out".

Same procedure in Ferguson.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

The flip side of your statement is the continued lumping together of all LEOs. So many statements and opinions begin with "cops..." Not "some cops" not "a lot of cops" but just "cops."

That was kind of my point I was making with grouping all black people. I also never made any comment about police as a whole, just the one that fired off 12 rounds into a busy street under questionable circumstances and missed 6 of them, btw.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

Its been born into poverty and not been given a chance from the start that causes the behavior your talking about. White people can and do act the exact same way when exposed to the same circumstances.

I was born into poverty. Dad ran off, single working mom, raised by grandmother.

So you were raised in a working class family, not really what I had in mind when I said raised in poverty.

originally posted by: jhn7537
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Totally agree.. I was raised in poverty, I remember watching my parents lose the family home I grew up in..

We didn't lose our home, but I always say: "Thank God for the holes in the ceiling". It's the only way the sparking frayed wiring was visible 😄

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

Its been born into poverty and not been given a chance from the start that causes the behavior your talking about. White people can and do act the exact same way when exposed to the same circumstances.

I was born into poverty. Dad ran off, single working mom, raised by grandmother.

So you were raised in a working class family, not really what I had in mind when I said raised in poverty.

So a single parent family (like most considered to be in poverty that you're referreing to). With one working mother struggling to make ends meet in a shoddy home isn't conaidered poverty?

I really like how people keep moving the goal post......

You'd be surprised how much MORE people have now days considered to be in poverty thanks to gov programs....

Back then when you were raised in poverty you didn't have CELL PHONES and Internet and TV.

sell it somewhere else man

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Agree with you on the white people always supporting police thing, i made the same statements pretty much back on page 9. Black people get each others backs no matter what the 'facts' are, white people support police no matter what the 'facts' are. Each side will find 'facts' to support their cause and ignore any actual evidence in their pursuit of one of their team members to give them some 'facts'. I dont say this meaning EVERY SINGLE person of that race as we all know there are your exceptions to the rule, but this is the effing rule.

@ManBehindTheMask Dont be naive. You know this guy doesnt mean that literally every single white person supports police. It's just more likely than not that a white person is going to support a police officers actions, because he's more likely to believe whatever that cop says no matter how ridiculous.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


The difference is they haven't burned down their neighborhoods or destroyed property or threatened to kill the police officers. So it doesn't get the same coverage....or attention

One doesn't have to burn down their neighborhood to get national attention, no should they. But doing nothing is just as bad, and that is exactly what the majority of White America has done. Nothing. No demands or pressure on law makers and law enforcement, no demands for independent investigations.

Violence is not the only way to get attention or bring about change. White America has the numbers, the money, and the power to actually bring on the pressure and change against police departments and law enforcement in general. Yet other than a handful of angry people, we get silence. Silence suggests approval or at least complicity. And nothing gets done.

While the response from many blacks has been totally counterproductive, at least they are responding in a manner the authorities can't ignore. Which is a lot more than I can say about White America in general.

White people get embarrassed and victimized by cops as much as blacks do. Yet whites do little to nothing about it. Which suggests they either support the cops in their excesses, or simply do not care. They do not have to riot to show displeasure. But doing nothing is just as bad, and makes them, at the very least, sheep.

a reply to: Bundy


Yet you just stated that you agree with him and that white people always support the police

Yet somehow magically forget that this whole website with a posse comatatus forum totally negates that statement

And another statement at the end of your post basically calling white people stupid....

This is getting almost comical now in its hypocrisy