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originally posted by: maxzee
Boyd B. has been "de-existed!"
Wikipedia Deletion of Boyd Bushman
originally posted by: and14263
originally posted by: Qumulys
a reply to: Mandroid7
Maybe you need a closer look?
Notice that one of the images is actually flipped, now look at the nostrils. What are the chances of them both having just one black nostril?
Eyes are different shapes/sizes between the two.
Edit: If it is flipped the ears are different too.
originally posted by: kissy princess
When I saw the Bushman vid, I was pretty much convinced of its authenticity, especially alongside the aggressive attempts by youtube and other media hosting sites to erase the interview. I did a little internet research & came across the snopes blurb on Bushman - then my enthusiasm was deflated. Thinking it all over, I had the thought, "what if these freaky toys were modeled, intentionally, after these alien beings for some reason?" (like maybe for the intentions of discrediting abductees or those in 'the know' like Bushman or whomever. Anyway, now I really don't know what I believe about the Bushman interview. I do believe, however, that he comes off as sincere & genuine; very much the converse of a UFO nutcase or pathological liar. Weird that wikipedia deleted him.
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: maxzee
Boyd B. has been "de-existed!"
Wikipedia Deletion of Boyd Bushman
If a person lies about who they are and what they've done they will be deleted. Wikipedia does fact checking unlike much of modern American UFOlogy.
originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: Urantia1111
There was no testimony what so ever. Testimony is provided in a court room under oath with both physical evidence as well as documented evidence provided. This simply smacks of someone taking advantage of an older frail man about to die so they could make a buck or support some other agenda yet to come in the future in the form of a book, or a pay for view doco.
You want to believe as do I but I would rather Deny Ignorance instead. How could someone make a toy of a supposed top secret alien life form and why would they ? Funny how the aliens always appear to look similar to ones from the science fiction movies we all loved from the many years of television and movies.
I believe it would be completely arrogant for humans to believe that we are all alone in the vast universe that lies beyond our local space how ever I have yet to see any evidence of that life and this video is no different from the other frauds perpetrated thru the years to support someones life style, not even strong ideas or opinions but only so they can make a buck.
Don't stop believing, but stop looking to you tube for any evidence as you will only find charlatans.
originally posted by: funbox
a reply to: JadeStar
so if that's the logic for deletion , why is Wikipedia full of biographies of liars, murderers, cheats, swindlers etc.
His very identity hasn't been substantiated. Hence the deletion.
The reason he doesn't come off as genuine to me is, a senior scientist would know things that he claims not to know like why a magnet falls slower than freefall when dropped through a metal pipe. Also the experiment he described where he dropped a couple of objects by hand and had a group of witnesses say which hit the ground first was not very scientific. A competent scientist would have used a mechanism to drop the objects simultaneously and used timer circuits to record exact timings. Maybe he sincerely thinks a scientist would conduct the experiment in a manner like he described, and this might make him sincere, but it doesn't make him a genuine scientist.
originally posted by: kissy princess
I do believe, however, that he comes off as sincere & genuine; very much the converse of a UFO nutcase or pathological liar. Weird that wikipedia deleted him.
I don't think his identity is a real issue though it was mentioned. This was the real issue from the link you provided:
originally posted by: JadeStar
In this case all we have is a claim that he has done things which were unsubstantiated. His very identity hasn't been substantiated. Hence the deletion.
What is needed are independent sources about Bushman's accomplishments and I do not really see those."
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
en.wikipedia.org...:Articles_for_deletion/Boyd_Bushman
What is needed are independent sources about Bushman's accomplishments and I do not really see those."
I don't see any problem with the deletion, though I had to read up a bit on Wikipedia's standards for notability to see what criteria they use for inclusion versus exclusion.
originally posted by: funbox
a reply to: JadeStar
hmm what about the patents ?
patents
proves nothing I guess well apart that he worked at lockheed
funbox
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: funbox
a reply to: JadeStar
so if that's the logic for deletion , why is Wikipedia full of biographies of liars, murderers, cheats, swindlers etc.
If they were notable then there will be a bio on them. If it was established that they were a liar, murderer, cheat, etc then that will be mentioned.
In this case all we have is a claim that he has done things which were unsubstantiated. His very identity hasn't been substantiated. Hence the deletion.
The National Law Journal July 2, 2001
ROCKET SCIENCE
MICHAEL RAVNITZKY
Boyd Bushman, an engineer and inventor at Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., the nation’s largest aerospace company, has sued his employer, claiming that the company, directed by the government, suppressed an invention that he believes has implications as a portable and inexpensive way of generating energy.