Trillion Dollar Conspiracy... 9/11 Mounting Evidence...

a reply to: Salander

And you can't prove it can't be done. Your burden of proof is a hell if a lot harder than mine.

"What about the 757 landing gear found at the Pentagon?'

Poster: It did not exist.

"What about the 757 engine found at the Pentagon?"

Poster: It did not exist.

"What about the remains of the people that were on Flight 77 found at the Pentagon?"

Poster: They did not exist.

"What about the people who witnessed Flight 77 slam into the Pentagon?"

Poster: They were lying.



The last time I saw anyone like this, I was watching Baghdad Bob say that there was no truth to the rumors that the Marines were in Baghdad.

I'm not going to get into it over the WT1, WT2 and WT7. The facts have been presented.
I'm sorry if that's not what you want to hear.
you're probably going to say, "what facts?"
It's simple, go back an reread the posts, do a little fact finding of your own.
Use those booger hooks and click that mouse.
Don't get mad at me because you want facts, as I've said, they are right in front of you.
Go back through the post and read it. you are mad you've been lied to, it's ok I'm mad too.
Your government has lied to you and is responsible for some of the most atrocious acts against man kind that has ever been know, that's a fact!!

Let's look at the Pentagon on 9/11/01:
This structure was not hit by a plane, it was hit by an object much smaller.

Where is the plane debris?

Where is the destruction of the lawn?

Where is this plane sized hole?

There are objects on the lawn that would have been completely destroyed by a plane, but are still seated next to the Pentagon slightly charred.

Want proof, Want pictures?

get them digits working, it's all over the web!!

a reply to: gooseandspoons

www.911myths.com...entagon_Debris_19.jpg
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www.911myths.com...entagon_Debris_10.jpg
www.911myths.com...ebris_Compilation.jpg
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After action interview with the Defense Protective Service Chief at the Pentagon
www.911myths.com...:2001-10-19-Intvw-Jester-John-Pentagon-DPS-145.pdf

Flight path study, American Airlines Flight 77
drive.google.com...

Autopilot study Flight 77 and Flight 93
www.911myths.com...:Autopilot_AA77_UA93_study.pdf

After action report, Arlington County EMS
drive.google.com...

Interview with American Airlines employees who spoke with Flight 77's Flight Attendants.
www.911myths.com...:AA_HQ.pdf

Article involving a first responder that day who discovered bodies of passengers still strapped into their seats.
www.911myths.com...

Conversation between ATC and Gofer 6 (Minnesota Air National Guard C-130) who observed Flight 77 hit the Pentagon
www.911myths.com...:TYSON_GOFER06.mp3

Listing of interviews with witnesses to Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon
www.911myths.com...

Composite photo made of Flight 77 impact area, prior to collapse
www.911truthoutreach.org...


EDIT...since the links did not want to seem to work for the individual files, here is where to find them

www.911myths.com...

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

hahaha much like your links, your proof doesn't seem to work!!!

How do you take a 130,000 pound plane and crash into the side of a building and come up with such little wreckage?
plus some of those parts don't even go to a 757. The turbine parts found do not belong to a RR engine.

So you mean to tell me a hijacker who could barely manage a smaller aircraft, took a 757 for the first time and successfully leveled the plane mere feet from the ground without so much as a belly slide and crashed it into the side of the pentagon creating a hole less than 10'x10'?

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a reply to: gooseandspoons

The engine does match a Rolls Royce engine. The spokesperson that said it didn't was a PR person, not an actual engine specialist. The compressor turbine fits the size of an RB211, and the openings on the combustion chamber also match up.

The plane debris observed in the various photographs does indeed comport with that of a 757, at least to the limited degree with which they can be compared to actual 757 parts or the manufacturer's detail drawings, as shown above. The engine compressor or turbine disk appears to be approximately the correct diameter to have been used in a Rolls Royce RB211-535E4B engine, as used in American Airlines 757 aircraft. The fragment of the high pressure combustor casing also comports with the string of fuel inlet nozzle holes, the mounting bosses of which have the correct number of screw holes (6). The combustor is definitely not from a Pratt and Whitney PW2037, which is the other make of 757 engine used in the airline industry, nor is it from a General Electric CF6-80C2.

www.911-strike.com...

Hani Hanjour was a fully qualified commercial pilot, holding a suspended commercial pilot certificate. It was suspended because he failed to show up for a required physical.

The impact hole was not less than 10x10. It was over 14 feet wide prior to the collapse. A 757 fuselage is a little over 12 feet in diameter.

Some of the most prominent advocates of the no-757-impact theory have radically mis-characterized the dimensions of the impact "hole". Thierry Meyssan describes the hole as 15 to 17 feet wide, apparently on the basis of photographs, such as the one to the right, in which the spray from the fire suppression efforts obscures the first floor, which had far more extensive damage.

The following annotated photos show exactly the locations of impact damage on the Pentagon E-ring facade. The outer limestone facade was breached between column lines 8 and 18, producing a hole spanning approximately 96 feet. Additional impact damage can be found between columns 5 and 8 and between columns 18 and 20. The entire width of impacted facade measured at least 140 feet, as indicated by the building plan in the Arlington After Action Report.
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We see that the entire left wing damaged the building, and almost the entire wing except for the wing tip entered the building. The right wing just a little past the right engine also entered the building. However the rest of the wing, about two-thirds of the length of the wing, did not. The reason for this was the angle of the wings. The right wing was higher than than left; if the wings were level, the right wing would have demolished the white construction trailer in addition to the emergency generator next to it. The outer portion of the wing crashed above the first floor, and the horizontal second floor slab (more strongly reinforced than the vertical columns and which was parallel to the vector of the impacting wing) absorbed much of the force of the impacting wing above the first floor. The left wing slipped below the second floor slab and thus created a larger hole. The right wing did inflict considerable damage above the first floor, but the limestone facade was only breached between columns 13 and 15 on the second floor. Due to the strength of the floor slabs, the dimensions of the hole reflects the structure more than the actual dimensions of the plane.

911review.com...

a reply to: Zaphod58

I see you shop at the same site for your BS links!

I highly doubt that a 130,000 plane piloted, not by an experienced pilot, hit the pentagon and didn't destroy the equipment that was laying around outside of the pentagon. Spools, construction equipment, a fence.

So i guess you think a 757 could do that and not leave the tell tell signs of a plane crash, what planet do you live on? Because here on earth we have laws of physics and the dynamics of engineering that states otherwise.

originally posted by: gooseandspoons
a reply to: cardinalfan0596


So you mean to tell me a hijacker who could barely manage a smaller aircraft, took a 757 for the first time and successfully leveled the plane mere feet from the ground without so much as a belly slide and crashed it into the side of the pentagon creating a hole less than 10'x10'?

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No, but thank you for confirming that your research comes from conspiracy sites rather than ones based on facts. And Hani Hanjour, was a licensed commercial pilot, not quite the neophyte that conspiracy theorists portray him as. Then the "hole" was far larger than 10 x 10.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

thewebfairy.com...

You were saying?

a reply to: cardinalfan0596
There you go throwing facts on to the fire of a conspiracy.

There are no photographs either quality or quantity that will satisfy someone under the influence of a conspiracy.

a reply to: samkent

It has to do with cognitive dissonance.

A reply to: Zaphod58

Zaphod58, you, nor any other aeronautical trained professional (pilots included), never reacted on all my posts in this page 9..... How come?

If you read my last post in this page 8, and especially all of my, lengthy at times, posts on the next page 9, do you agree with me that the by all pilots in the USA used 18,000 feet barometric pressure reset that I found in that FDR of Fl.77, was used SEVERAL more times than ONE time at ascend through that height, and NOT at descend through that same height again, in that FDR recreation, and that it implements that either the hijackers must have known the PRECISE baro-pressure at Ronald Reagan Int. Airport, while they were already more than an hour in the AIR, already DESCENDING to Washington, without any connection to ground based flight controllers who normally give them the present baro-pressure at the intended landing airport.

I definitely found multiple MANUAL pressure resets ( or inserted by some REMOTELY CONTROLLED device) in that Flight 77 recovered FDR.
OR, some or all of the recovered FDR is false.

Zaphod58, since you were a USAF technician for decades; and please, also any commercial or military pilot interested and understanding the severity of my finds, check it out in the below NTSB recreation of the FDR. Take your time for responding, it took me a day too. Read page 9 in total, first ! Then you see HOW I found that evidence for multiple manual barometric-pressure resets. (ALTITUDE readings suddenly hop far too many feet/meters in a second).
And that barometric value at intended landing airport is always set manually, after getting it BY RADIO from ground based air traffic controllers.

How on earth could they high up there, have known the PRECISE barometric pressure value at Ronald Reagan Int. Airport, very near to the Pentagon, and manually have set that pressure MULTIPLE times during hijacked flight time, in the cockpit, doing smaller descents and ascends during all of their hijacked flight time?
And thus managed to fly in the end, that low over the Pentagon lane.?
Without that value received, it would have been near impossible to fly within ground effect, with strongly flexed-up wing tips at 500 Knots, while cutting lamp poles at 8 meters height with those wing tips, and then the next poles even lower, on the official south of CITGO gas station flight path.
The belly of the plane must have nearly scraped the guide rails beside the road below those first few cut at 8 m height, lamp poles. That was the road leading from the Pentagon South Parking lot to the north going lane of Washington Boulevard, which runs right in front of the West wall.

Possible conclusions because multiple pressure reset times are visible in that Fl.77 its recovered FDR :
a. The FDR is partly (the last minute or seconds), or nearly totally falsified.
b. The plane had some remote controlled autopiloted system installed that was not registered in the FDR. And it could be fed remotely with the barometer pressure at the Pentagon.
c. Hani Hanjour was the best commercial pilot on earth, with only a few hundred hours flight time in his books, and none in a 757. Which is nothing less than a MIRACLE.
Because if he did not knew the barometer pressure at the Pentagon when he neared that building, how could he have skimmed over 150 meters of the Pentagon lane while cutting poles at max. 9 meter, and with min.1.8 meter under both his jet engines nacelles.?

WITHOUT real reliable local pressure readings from the baro-meter in his cockpit, the hijacker pilot would have burried the plane already before it reached those lamp poles, somewhere in the soil. Because his baro-controlled height above ground meter-readings would be off for more than 100 feet.
You can't aim by hand, such a wide body plane into the ceiling of the ground floor at the Pentagon West wall. The Fl.77 nose cone impacted at the concrete floor between ground and first floors.

NTSB AA77 Animation 9/11 Pentagon
www.youtube.com...




PS : Fresh 9/11-doubters, read my (above that last post on page 8) VERY informative included-link to WTC-basement explosions too..! It's a 4 page read, worth every minute of your time, reading that comprehensive information about the two WTC plane impacts and collapses.

a reply to: LaBTop

If you want to hit something with a plane... all you have to do is look at it and you will hit it.

www.google.com...

A reply to: waypastvne

At last, one of my favorite opponents.
The height at which the lamp poles were cut, indicate the wingtips heights doing that to the row of poles.
That height is far within the ground effect region of half that 757 plane's wingspan. The first pole was at least 150 meters from the impact point on the west wall.

That means the plane had to fly in some fluent trajectory leading to that first cut pole. Which can not be steep.

I know you're intelligent enough and having proper education, to construct a flight diagram of upper and lower boundaries for Fl 77 in its last 30 seconds from that NTSB FDR-recreation. It becomes clear then, that Fl.77 was for many seconds in ground effect danger. And, at the speeds viewable on the meter in the NTSB video of around 500 Knots, that effect is a VERY BUMPY ride. Which I have addressed in that page 9, with a diagram for the last minute of its flight.
It shows exactly such a bumpy ride. Up and down movements of the flight stick by the "pilot" to compensate for ground-effect, that are much too fast executed for any human hand. It indicates some sort of computer assist.
Which was not set, see the A/P settings, all off, for 45 minutes already. According to that video, a human hand steered that plane into its target.
I say : impossible. See that diagram.

What about the multiple clearly manual barometer settings by Arab pilots (or a hidden remote steering system) during hijacked flight time of Flight 77 ? Causing multiple hick-ups in flight height, of many feet/meters, in an eye-blink moment.
Proving someone knew the Reagan Airport local barometer settings, and communicated that to the plane. When you manually (or digitally) set that Pentagon pressure in the cockpit systems, the FDR will show a sudden height jump. Because that height is pressure setting dependable.

H O W did that multiple times happen, when the hijackers did not communicated with the flight controllers, asking them to do so every few minutes? And why MULTIPLE times ? They in fact only had to do that one time again, when descending through the 18,000 foot "ceiling".

originally posted by: waypastvne
a reply to: LaBTop

If you want to hit something with a plane... all you have to do is look at it and you will hit it.

www.google.com...

That's mainly for military pilots, fixating on following a steeply downed adversary, or a to be bombed target on the ground within a steep bomb run. And waiting too long to pull-up in time.
Not for an airliner intended to hit at 2.80 meters high, while skimming the ground between initially 30 meters high and 2.80 meters at impact. While flying so low already for about a distance of half a mile long. Thus all the time within ground effect dangers.

a reply to: LaBTop


National Weather Service page for Fort Myer, Virginia. Current Barometric reading available....as measured at Ronald Reagan National Airport......across the street from the Pentagon. It is not hard to find current barometric readings.


forecast.weather.gov...

A reply to: cardinalfan0596

Oh dear, you still have no idea what the quintessence from that manual pressure setting is, DURING hijacked flight time.

If those Fl 77 hijackers who left much earlier, had written down the then, at their departure, given air pressure at Reagan Airport, taken from the web by a laptop, they would have crashed when flying that low near the Pentagon, because the pressure was different at those moments, one minute before impact. In 2001 you could not make a working connection to the web from an airplane flying at altitude, like they were flying at. Now neither.
And the FAA swears that they did not register any radio signals from that plane to their traffic controllers asking for that Reagan Airport pressure.
And it needs to be just a few mm Hg (Mercury) barometric pressure difference, to end up under the Pentagon lawn there.
You did not read my page 9 link, otherwise you would have understood already how much difference in baro-pressure there in reality was on that day, between Dulles and Reagan.

a reply to: LaBTop

Oh dear, you still do not understand that you can get that information by monitoring radio channels. I simply pointed out that it was EASY to find up to date barometric pressure. I guess I should have connected the dots for you.

And no, I did not read your page 9 link, because Dulles had nothing to do with it. Why would the hijackers listen to the weather information for Dulles, when Reagan was right next to their target?

Do you have extensive flight experience in the month of September 2001.?
I do, and as you should know, you can't send nor collect info with your cell phone, which is working on radio signals, at that flight altitude, nor can you listen to a radio in a Cage of Faraday, which an airplane hull in essence is.
The pressure at Reagan, when that plane departed from Dulles (the last chance the hijackers had to collect that data for Reagan, where they intended to crash) was quite different from the pressure when they were 5 seconds before impact at the Pentagon west wall, after more than an hour flight time.

No airplane radio signals fed by the external antennas, placed outside the Cage of Faraday, nor conversations were recorded in the CVR, which indicated a possible reception or signal exchange of that local pressure at Reagan, between 40 and a few miles before impact.
And I do not recall that ground based radio stations broad-casted that kind of exact barometric values in their weather forecasts every hour at news time, in 2001, for any specific spot. That's 13.5 years ago. They Broad-casted the weather for a whole county or state, not for f.ex. a specific airport.

And I am not talking about a few minutes before impact, I am talking about multiple manual pressure settings within an hour before that impact, while they were still flying between 36,000 and 18,000 feet.


Behavior of Fl.77 as by FDR, in the last 5 seconds :
files.abovetopsecret.com...


I interpret those fast vertical accelerations as steering column movements to compensate for the ground effect during at least 5 seconds of terminal flight time. By some sort of on-board or remote computer. A hijacker pilot can't do that so fast, without plunging into the ground, or overshooting his west wall target tremendously. One tiny mistake in those last 5 seconds while a few miles are covered in ground effect danger zone, and the plane is either toast or shoots up far too high to ever impact at that spot.

a reply to: LaBTop

Twenty six years as an Avionics Technician. You can pile things high and deep all you want. The rest of us know better.