Is Obama hoping a Racial Civil war breaks out in the US?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Nobody's listening to you. As a matter of fact we'll all pretty much ignore you from now on since you've done nothing but ruin this thread. This is so childish on your part, I don't know whether or not to laugh or just sit back and wonder what's wrong with this country.

Now back on topic, Obama's statements are like wolves in sheep's clothing. I most certainly believe he's lied to the people about Ferguson and he's allowed Sharpton to make statements to rile these protesters up. I think some kind of civil war has been brewing for a long term, be it racial, economic or political. At this point people are so divided they can't fathom going against their leaders, because they're too busy going against their neighbors. Yikes.

The place was being hit with vandalism, rioting and tear gas going off, live on air. I'm surprised there's no executive actions in the works (and not the satirical article posted earlier).

The belief expressed here that President Obama is "always lying" is absurd on its face, of course.

But I suggest, in the interest of moving the thread along, that we seek out actual quotes from the President that either

A: Contribute to the idea that a race/civil war is being fomented, or,

B: Contribute to the idea that peaceful and civil relationships are being encouraged.


For me, the opening of the President's address makes his opinion and his support of the rule of law and even the Grand Jury abundantly clear (Option B above)

Good evening, everybody. As all of you know, a few minutes ago, the Grand Jury issued its decision. Either way it was going to be the subject of intense disagreement, not only in Ferguson but across America, so I just want to say a few words about how we might move forward. First and foremost, we are a nation built on the rule of law. We need to accept this decision as the Grand Jury's to make. There are Americans who agree with it, and there are Americans who are deeply disappointed, even angry. It is an understandable reaction.

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I think one obvious indication that exposes Obama's agenda is the fact that those fires went unanswered Monday night.

Hmmm.

Missouri Governor Jay Nixon adamantly denies that the White House pressured him to resist sending in the National Guard in response to violent protesters unhappy with the Michael Brown shooting decision.


Confirmed: Valerie Jarrett Keeping In Touch With Gov. Nixon During Ferguson Fiasco

Nixon's *"Adamant Denial"* is evidence

a reply to: xuenchen

If not his agenda but the agenda of those ordering his administration around. Regardless of the outcome, Obama once again messed it up and the way it turned out just shows the true intentions of TPTB.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Good evening, everybody. As all of you know, a few minutes ago, the Grand Jury issued its decision. Either way it was going to be the subject of intense disagreement, not only in Ferguson but across America, so I just want to say a few words about how we might move forward. First and foremost, we are a nation built on the rule of law. We need to accept this decision as the Grand Jury's to make. There are Americans who agree with it, and there are Americans who are deeply disappointed, even angry. It is an understandable reaction.

"There are Americans who agree with it, and there are Americans who are deeply disappointed, even angry. It is an understandable reaction."

why would he over emphasize the "deeply disappointed, even angry" part and slur over the "who agree" part?

seems obvious to me why he would do that.

watch the body language (especially the head movements) and the wording and the general demeanor......
www.youtube.com...

a reply to: xuenchen

I read the speech, and I listened to the speech, and I watched the speech, Xuenchen.

I believe the President stated that because ... it is the simple, straightforward truth. There are and were many millions of Americans that were upset with the GJ decision. Obama's response was very well balanced; he emphasized the rule of law, and the need to avoid violence while protesting.

Why wouldn't the President of the United States do his best in a speech to address the concerns of all Americans on the very heated subject of the Ferguson decision?

I dont see what you see, Xuenchen.

maybe social unrest. not a full blown civil war.

a reply to: xuenchen

Thank you for posting that video
One can clearly see obamas body language of how disappointed he is the officer was not
found guilty.

originally posted by: Lil Drummerboy
a reply to: xuenchen

Thank you for posting that video
One can clearly see obamas body language of how disappointed he is the officer was not
found guilty.

Does this mean that you had not even watched the President's speech when you created the OP, Drummerboy???

What exactly did you base your original assessment on that led you to start the thread???

a reply to: Lil Drummerboy

Obviously very disappointed. Notice how politicians say one thing and their body language says another. This isn't exclusive to the dems it's in every party.

Shows how they're both complicit in spreading mass stupidity throughout this country.

The lengths to which some will go to try to force reality to align with their political ideology is amazing.

The President's words don't match what some want to hear him saying, and so his "body language" is brought up to try to continue the errant point.

What's next? Mental telepathy? Why not just cast his horoscope and base your descriptions of his actions on that?

That would be just as close to reality as projecting thoughts onto him and calling it "body language."

/eyerollemoticon

What a sad, sad thread. This entire discussion highlights the reason I will not post on ATS very often.

Look, we all know by now that certain groups of people hate Obama. That's fine. I have my issues with him as well. The problem I have is that it doesn't matter what Obama (or any democrat for that matter) does or says, people are going to do anything they can to twist the facts or his words to come to some idiotic conspiratorial conclusion.

The man calls for cooler heads to prevail and for people to stay calm.......and somehow it's being twisted around to mean that he is wishing for a race war?

Seriously?

I think what we have seen in this thread is how many of you, and I mean many, are so brainwashed in to hating other groups of people that you lose all ability to logical, rational thought. Perhaps that is what we get when you mix a conspiracy site with political discussions.

Or perhaps it's just a product of the brainwashing itself. Look at all of the propaganda terms being used in this thread: "Community organizer", "czar", "Al Sharpton", "black liberation theology"....I could go on and on.

Step away from the TV and radio and you may begin to see what many of us get to see. And that is an entire political ideology that collectively lacks the ability to rationally approach an issue and will go to any length to push their ideology or demonize others, even if it means they have to toss out logic/common sense/facts to do so.

So let's call it like it is: Most of you are simply brainwashed little puppets, with the exception of one particular individual that knows better, but is here to push an agenda and keep the brainwashed masses focused on certain topics or talking points.

It's quite sad because I bet most of you are good, intelligent people. But when politics comes up.....your brain shuts down and goes in to "derp" mode.

So go ahead and continue on with your silly Obama conspiracies based on nothing more than idiocy......the rest of us will stand back and have a good laugh.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

So we disagree with you and we're brainwashed?

The rest of us are standing back and having a good laugh at those who continue to believe what they're fed. There's no reason this current puppet shouldn't be subject to the same criticism as every other puppet.

We see through the stupidity. You thinking everybody who doesn't agree with you is stupid is very ignorant.

You haven't slayed anything, you're just another person falling into the trap.

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: sheepslayer247

So we disagree with you and we're brainwashed?

It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with me.

There's no reason this current puppet shouldn't be subject to the same criticism as every other puppet.

Completely agree. When was healthy criticism replaced by idiotic conspiracies and rhetoric-filled posts that conveniently leave out facts and context to come to a specific conclusion?

You thinking everybody who doesn't agree with you is stupid is very ignorant.

Again, I never said as much. Why are you making definitive statements without evidence to support it? What I did say is that there are many on this thread that are brainwashed and the evidence can be found in the rhetoric they use and the way they approach the issue.

The rest of us are standing back and having a good laugh at those who continue to believe what they're fed.

So you must be laughing at yourselves? The only people I see in this thread believing what they are fed are the anti-Obama folks. The rest of them brought facts to the discussion and took Obama's words for what they were. It's the other side of the coin that is resorting to tactics and rhetoric that was fed to them.

You haven't slayed anything, you're just another person falling into the trap.

What trap is that? Logic, common sense, rationality? If so, consider me trapped. I'd rather approach an issue with a good head on my shoulders than to have an agenda from the git-go and have to make myself look like a fool in the process.

Sad truth is, some people made themselves look like fools in this thread...just because their goal was to bash Obama.

Isn't that sad?

a reply to: sheepslayer247
If it's supposedly so bad then quit whining and go use the exit door. Bu-bye.


The topic is asking if Obama would want a civil war in the USA. My response - it wouldn't surprise me if ANY POTUS wants civil unrest in this country. Republican or Democrat, I"m sure they'd rub their hands together with glee thinking of the power they could bring to themselves with the threat of civil unrest. Obviously there is no direct evidence to show that the politicians are actually doing something, but I'd bet they wouldn't let a 'good crisis go to waste', even to a point where they help fuel it.

a reply to: FlyersFan

You're correct in that those were just words. But it's not just about the words, it's how they are used.

The premise of this thread was to suggest that Obama's speech may indicate his desire for a race war in America. The very first response to the OP suggested that a community organizer would do such a thing.

Of course, that's a silly idea, but one that has been propagandized and spread in the Right wing echo chamber.

Czar, not a bad term in and of itself. That is until you recognize it's usage in the right wing propaganda. The term is now used as a talking point to suggest Obama may be using those czars to come to some nefarious,evil goal, and it is also used to insinuate to those that hear the term that it is a "socialist/commie" thing.

As far as Sharpton and BLT, those were used as a way to further discredit Obama when facts and rational thought does not support one side's agenda. If Obama did talk with Sharpton about the Ferguson issues does that mean he wants a race war?

No, that's ludicrous. It only means that he talked to Sharpton.

As for why he'd want a civil war? The anecdotal evidence points to his 20 years in the Black Liberation Theology cult in Chicago.

See what you did there. You called it a cult? There is a lot of misconceptions about BLT and perhaps you have been led to believe that a small extreme section of them represent the whole.

BLT is not a cult. They believe that through Christianity they can work to battle oppression of the black race. The argument can be said that some people in BLT have said some pretty harsh things, but how can one logically make the jump to say that since Obama went to a BLT church, that his words on Ferguson can now be interpreted to mean that he hopes for a race war...when he actually called for peace?

That only happens if you believe in the rhetoric and propaganda pushed on to the masses.

So, yes I would say that those terms, in the context in which they were used, is evidence of propaganda at work on the people.

a reply to: Jainine

Do you have something of substance to add to what I said or to counter it?

Would you agree that there is evidence in this thread that shows people have been brainwashed to use certain talking points and rhetoric?

let a 'good crisis go to waste'

Nevermind......don't answer that.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

I think many members would be interested in hearing your opinion and analysis of why the Governor of Missouri failed to call the National Guard as the fires and rioting started Monday night.

And why that ties into the fact that the Governor was on the phone with the White House providing "updates".