Ferguson Grand Jury: No Indictment for Darren Wilson in Michael Brown Shooting

I think they need more tear gas at these events, like 1000 times more. It was the only thing effective in moving the mindless mobs bent on arson and looting. IT is hard to rob when you can't see from your eyes burning.

a reply to: XxNightAngelusxX

Of the hundreds, if not thousands of peaceful protesters, you're saying a few bad elements instigated the whole thing, and nobody did anything to stop them?

See, if I were protesting, and I saw someone throw a brick through a storefront window, I'd gather three friends, go grab that guy, and personally escort him to the authorities. Barring that, I'd beat the hell of out him (my body willing) and warn others against doing the same. To blame this entirely on "outside influence" is a fallacy. There may have been outsider involved yes, but when members of the community decided to go with that flow rather than speak out against it, when they decided to go into those store and loot, when they started participating in the vandalizism, they become complicit.

As to "where were the LEOs?":

I had said it before, but it bears repeated. They weren't wanted. They did their best to maintain order, and made a few arrests, but it was clear they weren't wanted. Or should the LE system only work when it's to the benefit of that person?

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: jimmyx
they just want the police to stop shooting and killing unarmed black people...that would be a start.

Amazing how a simple phrase can be so misleading.

People who engage in violent behavior and show a willingness to hurt, maim, or kill people will not be tolerated. Armed, unarmed, white, black, brown, male, female... it doesn't matter.

If you attack a police officer and go for his sidearm, you will be justifiably shot. Once you've proven that you're willing to go for his sidearm and you continue to attack, you will be justifiably shot some more. This whole case really boils down to that.

ok, I'll give you that, if that is what happened...why do I say that?....because with the grand jury, they only get the officers statement...there is no cross exam by another lawyer. also, the prosecutor came out and said that the grand jury RECIEVED ALL EVIDENCE AVIALABLE...really?...nothing else could have been possibly found by an independent investigator, and/or, if there was an advocate (lawyer representing brown) in court?.......with no trial, brown is guilty of his own murder, and you are right.

If it wasn't clear cut, the Grand Jury would have chosen to indict Darren Wilson and let it go to trial.

Apparently, there was no doubt that the shooting was justified. It would be wise to remember that people's doubts and questions have come, not from the facts, but from the bogus eyewitnesses and the media.

Ironic though right that this story is obsolete already?

Putting such passion into a cliche.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: XxNightAngelusxX

Sorry, I wasn't aware that you had all the details that the rest of us are lacking. You must have been there and witnessed it.. How else could you know?

Perhaps you just don't understand what evidence is?

Weather or not he's guilty was nowhere NEAR my point. And frankly, I don't care if he was or not. His life is ruined one way or another, and there are fires and gunshots engulfing that town. That, in my book, is more important.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if it were some other thug that got shot, Brown would be looting and setting buildings on fire as we speak.

I know what speculation is...

What evidence are you referring to?

Let me again point out that I wasn't trying to say weather or not this guy was DEFINITELY guilty, only that this crisis is going to be used against us in the long run

a reply to: ttropia

The bag still relies on an electrical signal to fire in order for the bag to deploy. If the circuit is damaged, the bag can deploy. That's also why you saw vehicles on fire with the windshield wipers going, or the lights on. Fire does weird things to electronics.

Sky News just reported breaking news that the courthouse in Ferguson has just been stormed by about 300 protesters.

Will try and find a link.

CX.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: XxNightAngelusxX

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: jhn7537

The community is full of sh*t...







If they wanted to honor Michael Brown's death, they would have respected the wishes of the parents...







These people are opportunistic. They saw a chance to earn a quick buck by looting stores, they knew the likelihood of being caught was small, so they jumped on the opportunity..

They did respect the wishes of the parents. They changed their tune when there was no indictment and they didn't get their way. They wanted Ferguson to burn.



Michael Brown's Stepfather Urged Protesters To "Burn This Bitch Down" After Grand Jury Announcement

www.thesmokinggun.com...

It wasn't the same people. The rioters came from out of town. They weren't the community protesters.

Boy, those community protesters were really trying to stop those out of town burning and looting rioters. Isn't Michael Browns step father part of that community? He's the one who told them to burn it. It's illegal to yell fire in a movie theater, but not inciting a riot, I guess.

If that is true he should be on his way to prison for that.
The thug that got shot was probably his creation from living under his roof anyway.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Thanks you. That makes sense. Just didn't see the connection until you pointed it out. It is a Chevy after all.

Mud on the back tire looks like what I would expect from a wrecked vehicle as well.

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: jimmyx


I wonder how it would have gone down in Ferguson, if 20 to 30 young black guys wearing camos, and legally carrying AR's

That LEGALLY thing would have been the tough part I bet.

Considering the fact that open carry in Ferguson is only legal with a valid concealed weapons permit... it would have ended with all of them in jail.

is it illegal for black people in Missouri to obtain CCP's?

A) Good luck finding 20 to 30 young black guys in the city of Ferguson who have a concealed weapons permit. Not racism, just facts. Minorities make up a very small percentage of permit holders in every state.

B) If you can find 20 to 30 young black guys in the city of Ferguson who have a concealed weapons permit, they won't be stupid enough to put themselves in the middle of that chaos... ESPECIALLY while open-carrying a rifle.

Your imaginary scenario isn't logical so don't use it to start a racial argument.

first...don't tell me what I can, or can't start, I'll say anything I damn well please on this site, as long as I stay within the boundaries laid out by the ATS terms and conditions. if you don't like it, that's tough....I'm one of just a few left on this site, that fights against the right-wing crap I see on here every day. if you can't handle the few dissenting voices THAT ARE left, I suggest you find yourself some nice cozy KKK website, and post your brains out.

Thank you for making it clear that you lack the necessary maturity level to engage in a logical debate.

There are two intellectually-honest methods of debate:
1) Questioning the opponent's facts.
2) Questioning the opponent's logic.

There are two things that I'm not: racist or right-wing. I pointed out how illogical your scenario is and you responded, not by countering my logic with something factual or meaningful, but by playing the victim and making grand assumptions about me personally. You're not doing yourself any favors... which is why I stated that you shouldn't use your scenario to start a racial argument because you'll lose. I was correct.

too bad brown's lawyer was also incapable of "debating" your 1) and 2) in the trial...oh that's right, he had no lawyer, and there was no trial

originally posted by: CX
Sky News just reported breaking news that the courthouse in Ferguson has just been stormed by about 300 protesters.

Will try and find a link.

CX.

Load up the paddy wagons, 300 is nothing. Obummer needs to open a local FEMA camp for detention this is getting ridiculous.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: XxNightAngelusxX

Of the hundreds, if not thousands of peaceful protesters, you're saying a few bad elements instigated the whole thing, and nobody did anything to stop them?

See, if I were protesting, and I saw someone throw a brick through a storefront window, I'd gather three friends, go grab that guy, and personally escort him to the authorities. Barring that, I'd beat the hell of out him (my body willing) and warn others against doing the same. To blame this entirely on "outside influence" is a fallacy. There may have been outsider involved yes, but when members of the community decided to go with that flow rather than speak out against it, when they decided to go into those store and loot, when they started participating in the vandalizism, they become complicit.

As to "where were the LEOs?":

I had said it before, but it bears repeated. They weren't wanted. They did their best to maintain order, and made a few arrests, but it was clear they weren't wanted. Or should the LE system only work when it's to the benefit of that person?

Did their best? Bull. Go watch the videos.

Perhaps some of the peaceful protesters played ball. But HUNDREDS of people traveling to the Ferguson area the week before the riots is a bit odd.

a reply to: ttropia

No worries! I appreciate when folks point out inconsistencies. It shows vigilance.

a reply to: XxNightAngelusxX

Why in Gods name would the community burn down stores and buildings that BELONGED to them? Businesses that they use, or that they own? Why didn't the community stop them? Did you SEE the havoc they caused? I'd be scared for my life too.

Because they are so used to welfare, they know the government will just come in and make it new. Therefore, they take no personal responsibility for their actions,/

I'm more interested in knowing why the excessive amount of police in the area didn't stop them. Its rather interesting that they'll bully reporters but won't stand up to legitimate threats.

Because those that organized the protests requested there to be no police presence in certain areas as they assured there would be peaceful protests only and LEO presence would aggravate the situation.

"To that end, organizers are asking that police respect established "sanctuary safe spaces" and regard them as off-limits"
www.commondreams.org...

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: jimmyx
they just want the police to stop shooting and killing unarmed black people...that would be a start.

Amazing how a simple phrase can be so misleading.

People who engage in violent behavior and show a willingness to hurt, maim, or kill people will not be tolerated. Armed, unarmed, white, black, brown, male, female... it doesn't matter.

If you attack a police officer and go for his sidearm, you will be justifiably shot. Once you've proven that you're willing to go for his sidearm and you continue to attack, you will be justifiably shot some more. This whole case really boils down to that.

ok, I'll give you that, if that is what happened...why do I say that?....because with the grand jury, they only get the officers statement...there is no cross exam by another lawyer. also, the prosecutor came out and said that the grand jury RECIEVED ALL EVIDENCE AVIALABLE...really?...nothing else could have been possibly found by an independent investigator, and/or, if there was an advocate (lawyer representing brown) in court?.......with no trial, brown is guilty of his own murder, and you are right.

I believe that according to Mr. Mcculloch statement last night, the Grand Jury got evidence that included evidence that was uncovered by the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice is where a number of witness were discovered. The Department of Justice or FBI was also used in an attempt to find some witnesses so that they could testify to the Grand Jury. Even the FBI could not find a couple of witnesses. One of those not found had earlier given a statement.

Also, Officer Wilson was cross examined by the member of the Grand Jury and by the prosecutor's staff for more than four hours. If there had been inconsistency with his testimony I believe there would not have been a no bill given. It is untrue that Officer Wilson was not cross examined. Also, the Grand Jury had testimony from the family's Medical Examiner and had evidence from ALL three autopsies.

This Grand Jury was not as one sided as many make it out to be. In fact this Grand Jury appears less bias than most court cases. With a Grand Jury, the jurors are allowed to ask questions. I would love to have that same ability given to jurors in normal cases.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: XxNightAngelusxX

Why in Gods name would the community burn down stores and buildings that BELONGED to them? Businesses that they use, or that they own? Why didn't the community stop them? Did you SEE the havoc they caused? I'd be scared for my life too.

Because they are so used to welfare, they know the government will just come in and make it new. Therefore, they take no personal responsibility for their actions,/

I'm more interested in knowing why the excessive amount of police in the area didn't stop them. Its rather interesting that they'll bully reporters but won't stand up to legitimate threats.

Because those that organized the protests requested there to be no police presence in certain areas as they assured there would be peaceful protests only and LEO presence would aggravate the situation.

"To that end, organizers are asking that police respect established "sanctuary safe spaces" and regard them as off-limits"
www.commondreams.org...

Once the professional organizers move in, one would be a fool to be one of their sheep. Your cause is gone, it is now their cause.

Some people are hell bent on not accepting the evidence which is that the physical evidence and multiple witnesses testimony backs the officers version of events.

You can't refute the physical evidence. It's what makes or breaks any case.

As parents we do our best to teach our children right from wrong. Ideally, we want them to present themselves in public as having manners and being respectful of everyone and that includes peoples property. If you get in trouble there are consequences. What parents don't do is sit around at the dinner table and talk about science, dna, gun powder residue, etc. At my house we have talked about it because I've followed true crime for almost 20 years. There are thousands of pages of documents to sift through. I'm in hog heaven because I thoroughly enjoy this type of research. Christmas came early for Murtalley

But how many of the people that set fires last night will sit down and read the same documents we all have access to for themselves, sift through it all, learn the legal terms and make an informed decision? I bet not one.

People need to make a choice - they can either be uneducated idiots or they can jump in with both feet and learn how the process works.

a reply to: XxNightAngelusxX

I watched well after 1 PM Japan time. Which I think is about midnight in the U.S. I saw police using tear gas to disperse, making human walls with police in riot gear, using vehicles as roadblocks, using LTL weapons on the violent ones they could catch, etc. There's only so much they can do. Determined looters and rioters will find holes in their defense and exploit them.

Solutions is what is needed. How about a 1 to 1 program. Ill throw my gun in the fire to match a LEOs gun in the fire. Don't we have technology that is not lethal that can be deployed on the streets?

a reply to: ttropia

There no "non-lethal" weapon system. There is only "Less Than Lethal". Heck, even tear gas can be deadly if a person has a bad reaction to it. People heads have been split open by batons. There have been multiple documented cases of tasers killing people, and people have died from beanbag rounds.

There's no easy solution, and disarming the police is probably a terrible idea.