Ferguson Grand Jury: No Indictment for Darren Wilson in Michael Brown Shooting

a reply to: macman

Not where I live.

Mike Brown seemed like a good, misunderstood kid... When I was in HS and around 18 I remember taking pictures with guns and wads of cash to... I guess the media doesn't want you to know that he was in fact a thug, but instead lets keep calling him an "unarmed black teen/child"... I know lots of teens and children and none of them act like this...

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: nullafides

Who has to forgive you???

The Govt, who ran the justice system involved with that is bound by law to. Yet, there are continued punishments of those that have served their time.


Does the victim have to forgive you??? Nooooo.


Does any 3rd party???? Noooo.

At no point did I say anyone SHOULD forgive.

I simply asked if it was not possible that someone should deserve to be forgiven.

And truly, when you forgive, you must also stop picking the scabs of the wound. Otherwise, the wound cannot heal.

a reply to: macman
I had the hillarious pleasure of shooting next to one of "new yorks finest" at a range a few times. I would have made fun of them, but I figured they would have had me beaten and arrested lol.

It is time to start moving forward. It is time to start healing, forgiving, and loving, not just those closely involved in this case, but everyone in this nation. This needs to happen on both sides. This was a tragic event for both families and an entire community is being destroyed. We need to join hands across the nation and vow to work together instead of bickering back and forth about the evidence, who was right, who was wrong, because in the end it's not helping. It is only perpetuating the chaos, the racial bigotry on both sides, and the hatred and violence.

Hey ATS community, how about instead of arguing evidence and our own prejudices and clouded judgment, we start talking about how to help this community and nation heal and love one another. Let us be part of the solution and not the problem.

originally posted by: Spruce
a reply to: luthier

Police training is adequate and then some. The problem is criminality and a lack of respect for those who protect us.

The same ones who uphold the laws are the same ones who break them.

The criminals are created and crafted through years and decades of controlled information and culture building.

People are waking up to the reality they've been duped.

originally posted by: kosmicjack

The Ferguson public has no trust or confidence in the policing by FPD, the gathering of facts during the investigative process or the presenting of facts to the grand jury. Yet you continue to stipulate that they accept facts from a system they feel is utterly corrupt at every level. You can say it a hundred times, it doesn't change their perception.

you can say all that 100 times.
that does not mean their perception is correct...

originally posted by: Spruce

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Spruce
The protesters don't like the outcome. Fine. Why destroy infrastructure? Those people are not right in the head.

They have been revved up by the media and by activists with an agenda to promote racial and civil strife. Consider all the various components connected to the POTUS and his friends and connections and what their agenda has been all along. People who have been unhappy and unwealthy can have a lot of pent up energy and anger.

That's no excuse to destroy property.

Oh, I totally agree Spruce. I am just pointing out that people know this pent up energy can be used if the pot is stirred. Racial tensions have accrued more and more in the last 6 years Non? While people must have personal responsibility for their own actions, they can be subject to manipulation by media and so on.
I have incidentally long suspected that some radicalization is from agents stirring things up. And I said last night that the FBI was aware already of the presence of outside protesters pre-planning protests which turned violent. It is a fact that George Soros funded Adbusters and the Ruckus Society indirectly through the Tides Foundation when the Occupy movement was in swing. It is a fact that Richard Trumka's union people were in Egypt stirring things up. Code Pink people were there too, and so was Bill Ayers.
One has to connect a few dots to see the bigger picture.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: luthier

Why not protest the fact police are nearly always immune to prosecusion,

What are you saying here, that Wilson is immune because he's a cop and the Grand Jury was rigged?

No but they have qualified immunity if they have never done the same thing before. People look uo qualified immunity and you will have a better sense of why police dont have the same standards a regular person has.

a reply to: TKDRL

A protest has to be extremely offensive, like the westburough idiots, or a potential powderkeg to get any attention.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Like I said earlier, Michael Brown was not the poster child of innocence to rally around against police brutality. There has been more shootings of completely innocent civilians who have been killed by police that would have been much more advantageous to rally behind than a kid who just did a strong arm robbery, and acted like a thug toward a police officer.

This incident was clearly not a case of killing a young man who did not assault a police officer. People who want to call attention to police brutality need to pick their battles wisely. If you want support, make sure your claims are investigated before shooting from the hip.

originally posted by: jhn7537
Mike Brown seemed like a good, misunderstood kid... When I was in HS and around 18 I remember taking pictures with guns and wads of cash to... I guess the media doesn't want you to know that he was in fact a thug, but instead lets keep calling him an "unarmed black teen/child"... I know lots of teens and children and none of them act like this...

Does immaturity in a non violently act of immaturity translate to someone who would act violently?


Didn't you do anything stupid as a kid or young adult? I certainly did. Today, I am different.

a reply to: Spruce

Thank you for asking. That's what needs to be happening now, not rioting. Not race-baiting.

To answer your question, I really don't know but maybe we should start by looking at what cities/states/nations that seem to have effective and productive police/citizen relations are doing.

Maybe we can also start by de-militarizing the police.

originally posted by: watchdog
It is time to start moving forward. It is time to start healing, forgiving, and loving,

yeah, thats what the protestors were shouting when the cops were close
once they left the chants turned to # the police and we gonna shut this # down

Wilson shooting Brown is just the spark for unrest that has been built up over generations. It is convenient for those who choose to ignore the history of mistrust of the police and authority figures in low income areas around the US that Brown was apparently no saint; with this information it makes it easy for someone who has never faced police brutality to write off the protesters as ignorant delinquents who wish to cause harm.

These protests are about the culture of a bullying police state that has been targeting certain demographics for generations.

a reply to: Spruce

The hiring process to begin with.

The physical requirements as well. No special modifications to the "confidence courses" like step stools and less pushups and such.

More training on hand to hand scenarios. And continued training.

Less dependency on Tazers.

More firearms training.

Removing Military equipment from 90% of departments.

Require body cams on all LEOs. Undercover work to be excluded.


Those are just some items that could be changed quickly with good results seen within a short timeframe.

a reply to: nullafides

Yes, by stupid I would be truant from school... I was not a gang member, doing drugs, playing with guns, strong arming store clerks and showing disrespect to police by reaching for their firearms...

originally posted by: Daedal

originally posted by: Spruce
a reply to: luthier

Police training is adequate and then some. The problem is criminality and a lack of respect for those who protect us.

The same ones who uphold the laws are the same ones who break them.

The criminals are created and crafted through years and decades of controlled information and culture building.

People are waking up to the reality they've been duped.

Criminals are created by other criminals - thug culture - those who carry guns, deal and use drugs, assault others, steal. Gang culture.

a reply to: luthier

Please find my previous post regarding qualified immunity so that you do not continue to think it means something it does not. It is obvious you have no clue as to what it is and keep using it incorrectly in your posts. It was posted a page or two back.

There is so much misinformation on this thread but ill take you learning something as a small victory.

originally posted by: nullafides


Does immaturity in a non violently act of immaturity translate to someone who would act violently?


.

in mike browns case, absolutely
pushing around the store owner
hitting a cop
going for a cops gun

that all happened so yeah, it translated

originally posted by: blupblup
Firstly the looting and violence should have no bearing on what happened when Brown was shot.

If a police officer who is armed and chasing a suspect needs to shoot at him more than a couple of times, then they're in the wrong job.

You shoot his legs, you shoot to maim... you don't just unload just because you know the law is on your side.
Anybody claiming that the killing of an unarmed suspect is "justified" is an absolute idiot.
Maybe we just do things differently, but in the US... you have a serious problem with police officers getting a hard-on for just shooting people... mostly unarmed people that they could quite easily take down or subdue in a non-lethal manner.

I mean there were people trying to justify this a couple of months back when this footage was released
It seems the police get a free pass from some, no matter what they do.

You obviously do not read things in their entirety or you simply refuse to believe the facts. He rushed the police officer "football style". The police officer did not shoot him while chasing him. Stop spreading propaganda.