Ferguson Grand Jury: No Indictment for Darren Wilson in Michael Brown Shooting

originally posted by: FlyersFan

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

originally posted by: luthier
So just to be clear brown stole two cigars and there is no proof he reached for a gun or punched a cop.

So just to be clear, Brown stole a box of cigars, roughed up the store owner, punched a cop in a police car and tried to steal his gun, and then within the next minute charged towards the police officer in what was going to be an obvious assault. The forensics prove it. There is indeed proof that he tried to steal the gun and that he assaulted the cop.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Do the forensics prove it? The way it is being portrayed over here in the media is that there is no evidence either way that he reached for the gun. There are allegations about it happening and conflicting witness reports, meaning it is essentially undecided either way.

Whatever, this whole situation is sad and destroying your neighbourhood is not helping at all. Although i strongly suspect that, as with similar situations elsewhere in the world, those doing the destroying probably don't live there......

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Brown attacked a uniformed LEO.
Brown was shot.
Very simple.


Don't want to be shot, don't attack a LEO or any person.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: nullafides
Funny how it is only the African Americans that tend to cry foul, and use the race card when they are not getting their way, and if they feel backed in a corner, they will do anything. As I stated, this is not about justice, it is for revenge. They are not working within the system, that takes too much time, rather they are demanding action and wanting blood. That is not justice, but revenge.

At no time did I say that the victim mentality is the way to live.

Also, let me be clear. I feel that the system is a broken one. Working within the system? I do not believe that in our nations culture that is truly something that can occur the way it is supposedly purported to work.

originally posted by: Grovit

originally posted by: luthier

What i am saying is a police officer shouldnt be able to murder someone for stealing two cigars. .

you can keep saying he was murdered for taking cigars all you want but that does not make it so.
that is another point people seem to keep on missing

thats the defining event to you right? the theft of cigars
you my friend are missing the rest of the picture

No what you dont understand is police dont have normal trials. They have qualified immunity. This wasnt a trial like you think it was. It is literally almost impossible to prosecute an officer.

So tell me this brown was reaching for his gun when he was running away and shot in the back? How was the officer fearing for his life if brown was running away? I am not defending brown i am defending the rules of engagement. If this were a cc case the person would be in jail for murder but since he is a cop he is immune to prosecusion unless he is a repeat offender.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

So all LEOs should be sharpshooters now?

Damn right they should...
& if they don't pss Sharpshooter classes then all they should get is a taser & pepper spray...

f you're panicking and trying to save your own life, you'd probably miss a few shots as well.

Well I'm not armed to protect and serve the community around me...
I'm not expected to use due diligence in a confrontational situation...
I'm not trained in armed combat...


Hey give me a gun & a badge...
I'm just as qualified as Wilson it seems.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: interupt42

I agree pal...
This is bigger than race...
It's bigger than class...
I dare say it's an us against them mentality between civilians and gun toting pigs..(not decent cops) pigs.

This really isn't a case to get mad at the cops about, chances are if you were in that store and pushed around by Brown, you would have called them too.

He was a thug. He got treated like one. All his actions show that he by no means, was an innocent boy in the wrong place at the wrong time, he put himself there and brought it down on himself.

Normally I am totally against police violence against average citizen, but in this case, tough shiite, he got what was coming to him.

Everyone talks about how they want second amendment super bills, every one with the right to arm themselves everywhere they go, well... chances are it wouldn't have been a cop that shot him, if everyone was packing it would be a regular joe who just got pushed around and mugged by this 'darling little boy'.

originally posted by: Grovit

originally posted by: the owlbear

A state of emergency was declared. If a business has insurance, they'll get a payout. States of emergency do more than mobilize responders, they have economic factors as well. Hell, they might even qualify for federal funds depending on the wording.

are all the people that are out of a job going to get a pay out too or are then # out of luck?
not the business owners...the clock punchers at the auto parts store and the mcdonalds...

what about them?

protestors didnt seem to care.....

cathys restaurant was saved though....maybe they can hire hundreds more tomorrow

Whoa...I'm not taking any side on this...I'm just passing on what limited information I have in regards to states of emergency and property damage. As for employees...I don't know. They would need to contact their county offices. Which given the circumstances, I can't see opening until next Monday at the earliest.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the procedures / protocol for a US cop to start firing his gun? Im really asking because over here, if a firearms officer shoots someone they are effectively arrested and treated as a suspect (part of the procedure). The purpose being to ensure that cops do not go around shooting people willy nilly.

Is it similar in the US? And if not, shouldn't it be? There seems to be a huge amount of cop related shootings in America, this may be a simple way to rebalance this.

I attacked two police officers before...
Put one in an ambulance...


They didn't shoot me, they just outnumbered me and beat the # out of me...
Wilson had back up...
They could have done the same that happened to me, very simple.

a reply to: macman

Perhaps a bit of self-disclosure would help here.

When I was significantly younger, I was caught shoplifting as well. The store detectives handcuffed me, and took me to the back of the store. They questioned me. Threatened me. Banned me from the store for a year.

No, I did not react violently. I complied with their demands.

However, I strongly believe, that had I not been white, my rear-end would have landed in jail for that offense.

I also believe it was entirely unfair that I was not arrested. I should have been. I deserved it.

I was acted upon in the opposite of deadly force.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

originally posted by: Flavian
Do the forensics prove it?.

Yes. The evidence was read on the air last night when the verdict was read. Browns DNA and blood were on the police car door, inside the police car, and even on WIlsons pants. Also, the photographic evidence was presented showing Wilson with the punch marks to the head that were inflicted upon him by Brown when he reached inside the cop car to punch him and try to take his gun. The evidence is very clear and it doesn't lie. Brown reached inside the car, punched the cop a few times, and tried to steal his gun.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Quoting you in hopes that it gets read again!!

Would love to go on but family is coming in and all.


Seasons Greetings!

a reply to: FlyersFan

Your simplification of facts may be accurate but it doesn't exist in a bubble. Also fact : Ferguson police have a history of railroading suspects and denying tbeir civil rights. Ferguson residents are on record as having no confidence in this prosecutor.

Why is it the citizens of Ferguson must accept and deal with the consequences of one set of facts but the PTB and many across America refuse to accept the other?

I'll tell you why - disenfranchisement, systemic racism.

That is what is motivating the protestors, not just the death of one person but how they entire thing has been handled , has always been handled.

I seriously doubt last night would have happened if the police chief had been fired after the leaks or if the governor had appointed a special prosecutor for the grand jury.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
I attacked two police officers before...
Put one in an ambulance...


They didn't shoot me, they just outnumbered me and beat the # out of me...
Wilson had back up...
They could have done the same that happened to me, very simple.

a reply to: macman

I couldn't agree more.

a reply to: j.r.c.b.
there is outrage that you speak of. the media does not like to show it because it goes against what they are trying to do. this is my theory on the subject of Ferguson and every other story like it. it is simple. the media runs stories like the Mike Brown or TM shooting to get stereotypes to act out. stereotypes acting out programed anger leads to longer running and bigger news stories. a good example to ask your self is who were the other 2 guys in Rodney King's car? this small town news story is front page news everywhere. i can not turn a news channel on with out seeing it. the media ran and ran with this small story and now they have their real news store. all at the expense of simple minded people. i am not saying every person there is doing stupid crap, just a few simple minded stereotypes. they are in every race color, religion. that is why COPS has been on for over 20 years now, people like to watch stereotypes.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I see your strawman, but I won't burn it. Facts are facts. Wilson qualified with his sidearm, and was allowed to carry it. End of story. If every single cop had to be Annie Oakley there would be far fewer cops, and you'd be far less safe.

Now, in reference to:

Hey give me a gun & a badge...
I'm just as qualified as Wilson it seems.

If you apply for the force, pass the academy, and qualify on the range, then yes you'd be just as qualified as Wilson.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

originally posted by: Flavian
Do the forensics prove it?.

Yes. The evidence was read on the air last night when the verdict was read. Browns DNA and blood were on the police car door, inside the police car, and even on WIlsons pants. Also, the photographic evidence was presented showing Wilson with the punch marks to the head that were inflicted upon him by Brown when he reached inside the cop car to punch him and try to take his gun. The evidence is very clear and it doesn't lie. Brown reached inside the car, punched the cop a few times, and tried to steal his gun.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

But then ran away? Again the rules of engagement are that he has to be fearing his life. It also wasnt a trial like that anyway all the prosecution had to do was prove wilson has nevere killed someone like this before.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Thank you for clarifying that point. I wonder why The Independent was offering a differing summary today then? Target the news for your audience? Hmm.....

If he genuinely attacked the cop then that is just stupid and asking for trouble. Call it common sense but if in Indonesia or somewhere similar, don't be anywhere near any drugs; if in America, don't attack a cop - seems kind of obvious......