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Ferguson Grand Jury: No Indictment for Darren Wilson in Michael Brown Shooting
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a reply to: Monger
As a parent I feel for her and sadden by the death of her child or any ones child for that matter.
With that said, I would be more pissed at myself than any one as the parent of Michael Brown for not instilling a basic rule that when a cop points a gun at you , you stop and do what they say no matter what!
What is the point of charging a cop or being defiant with a cop that is pointing a gun at you? Do as the cop says than follow up in court or what ever other means instead of suicide.
Why isn't she screaming to other parents for the love of god teach your children to listen to an armed cop that is pointing a gun at you?
Cops do have a problem in this country but so does society. We have reached a point where it has become a us versus them situation including white people not just black people. We need to look at our training an recruitment requirements.
Had they not made this a racist issue even before anything was known about the case , perhaps some good could have come from this.
However, they aren't trying to fix the issue they are trying to use a scapegoat to release their anger. Sad all around and the cycle will not end.
So if your child were killed by the police, and you know you'll never get justice, you'd be totally chill lest you upset anybody else? Jesus Christ. Why shouldn't she use her voice
As a parent I feel for her and sadden by the death of her child or any ones child for that matter.
With that said, I would be more pissed at myself than any one as the parent of Michael Brown for not instilling a basic rule that when a cop points a gun at you , you stop and do what they say no matter what!
What is the point of charging a cop or being defiant with a cop that is pointing a gun at you? Do as the cop says than follow up in court or what ever other means instead of suicide.
Why isn't she screaming to other parents for the love of god teach your children to listen to an armed cop that is pointing a gun at you?
Cops do have a problem in this country but so does society. We have reached a point where it has become a us versus them situation including white people not just black people. We need to look at our training an recruitment requirements.
Had they not made this a racist issue even before anything was known about the case , perhaps some good could have come from this.
However, they aren't trying to fix the issue they are trying to use a scapegoat to release their anger. Sad all around and the cycle will not end.
edit on 241130America/ChicagoTue, 25 Nov 2014 08:24:10 -0600000000p3042 by interupt42 because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: Grovit
originally posted by: masqua
The question that needs answered, besides the actions of the officer, is why there is a seething hate for police among certain parts of the American population.
i think it is instilled and passed down to them....
look at last night....even in the middle of getting the gas they didnt seem to understand they were doing it to themselves....they hate the cops...the cops are racist faggots....someone said they are like isis and hitler...
so all those people are going to go home to their kids(who they were not with) and pass on all that hate to them...gonna fill their heads with all that BS....
gonna tell all those kids that all they wanted was a peaceful protest but the racist oppressive cops wouldnt allow it...
those kids are gonna grow up thinking just like their parents and the circle is going to continue...
all their problems are everyone elses fault...that is something else theyre gonna pass on..
gonna pass on how bad it sucks for them not being able to find work.....even though they are the people that are looting and setting businesses on fire, so people have no job to go to....
thats my theory on it
Yes, there is a pervasive tendency in our culture to self anoint a status of being a victim.
However, what we have is genuinely a case of unrestrained use of deadly force.
A trained officer should not only know the difference between when to use such force, but how to *not* resort to it at the drop of a pin.
originally posted by: Monger
There are too many loudmouths with pointless opinions in this world. A young man is dead, a community is in turmoil, and the ATS 'blame darkie' brigade is out in full force starring each other and patting each other on the back for their perpetuation of racial tension.
You're living in a powderkeg, and most of you seem either too dense to realize it or waiting to actualize some sick Turner Diaries wet dream. Some of you appear to be frothing at the mouth for a chance to give these 'thugs' and 'looters' and 'Obama voters' a taste of racial warfare.
It has little to do with the town being predominantly black (though for some knuckledraggers, that's front & center) Personally, my disgust stems from hearing "Oh poor us! Everything's trashed!" from Ferguson, and yet, seeing them do not a god damn thing to remedy their own population's shortcomings. What I see is a town full of people with big mouths, and little desire to fix their own broken people. If they really want change, they'd be starting from within, starting to put the hulksmash on outside interference (I doubt that's at fault however) Starting to put the hulksmash on locals taking advantage of the unrest, but noooo, they're not, and they've proven again that they cannot handle things not going their way,
I see a town slowly being seen as having a closeted entitlement complex coming to light, and getting the bad press they deserve. Public shaming is supposed to be awesomesauce for awful individuals, let's see if it works for towns, too.
a reply to: Monger
WOW are you dense? Did you read my post or did you come up with an argument and look at the words? Where did I call the 18 year old male a kid?? Nope sure didn't.
I have a son who will be 18 soon. He has already enlisted in the Marine corps. There will not be a person around who will dare call my son a BOY. Before he is 19 he will be God knows where fighting to protect our troops, getting them in and getting them out. My cousin was in Kosovo at 18, my Grandfather was in WWII at 18. THEY are all white, and all MEN at 18. All of them stepped up to the plate and acted like the adults they were.
What, because he was black he shouldn't be considered a man? What age do black kids become adults then?
WOW are you dense? Did you read my post or did you come up with an argument and look at the words? Where did I call the 18 year old male a kid?? Nope sure didn't.
I have a son who will be 18 soon. He has already enlisted in the Marine corps. There will not be a person around who will dare call my son a BOY. Before he is 19 he will be God knows where fighting to protect our troops, getting them in and getting them out. My cousin was in Kosovo at 18, my Grandfather was in WWII at 18. THEY are all white, and all MEN at 18. All of them stepped up to the plate and acted like the adults they were.
What, because he was black he shouldn't be considered a man? What age do black kids become adults then?
originally posted by: nullafides
All I hear from the majority of members here is a blatant regurgitation of what they've been told all their life or what MSM is currently saying.
Have an original thought. I'm not saying be pro-brown, I'm saying at least think about it. Come up with something *different*, at least by 5 degrees, from the party line.
Just speaking for myself, I'd do that, except that I don't see any reason to make up a story here. The 'party line' seems perfectly reasonable and the most likely explanation of events based on the evidence I've seen.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
At least a dozen buildings were torched and looted, many of them local businesses that police said were total losses. Dozens of cars -- including two police cruisers and rows of vehicles at a car dealership -- were also vandalized and left charred. St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said he heard about 150 gunshots, none from police
"What I've seen tonight is probably much worse than the worst night we had in August," he said
On West Florissant Avenue, a focal point of summer protests, police ordered protesters off the streets. But once police left, some smashed the windows of a McDonald’s and others set fire to a beauty supply store and other businesses.
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nothing says justice for mike brown like all that i guess...his mom asked for 4.5 minutes of silence after the decision was announced....she didnt even get 4.5 seconds
At least a dozen buildings were torched and looted, many of them local businesses that police said were total losses. Dozens of cars -- including two police cruisers and rows of vehicles at a car dealership -- were also vandalized and left charred. St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said he heard about 150 gunshots, none from police
"What I've seen tonight is probably much worse than the worst night we had in August," he said
On West Florissant Avenue, a focal point of summer protests, police ordered protesters off the streets. But once police left, some smashed the windows of a McDonald’s and others set fire to a beauty supply store and other businesses.
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nothing says justice for mike brown like all that i guess...his mom asked for 4.5 minutes of silence after the decision was announced....she didnt even get 4.5 seconds
originally posted by: FlyersFan
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
a reply to: Monger
The forensic facts can not be disputed.
Unlike emotional rhetoric and 'loaded language', forensics do not lie.
Forensics do not lie. No. People have the capability of doing so.
The coroner, the officers, the state AD, the prosecutors......all have a vested interest in not only saving themselves but also towing the line of the status quo.
The science of forensics has no such motivations. extra DIV
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
& how did you do that...
Since it was made very clear yesterday that ONLY the Grand Jury studied ALL the evidence!!!
We're you part of the Grand Jury?
If not, don't lie.
I studied all of the evidence
& how did you do that...
Since it was made very clear yesterday that ONLY the Grand Jury studied ALL the evidence!!!
We're you part of the Grand Jury?
If not, don't lie.
edit on 25-11-2014 by CharlieSpeirs because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: f4rwest
Ferguson will be forgotten in a couple weeks.
Not by the people that live there and not by the cops that have to work there.
Racism is alive and well in America and very evident on ATS, no matter how well disguised.
This is a shameful day!!
originally posted by: vor78
originally posted by: nullafides
All I hear from the majority of members here is a blatant regurgitation of what they've been told all their life or what MSM is currently saying.
Have an original thought. I'm not saying be pro-brown, I'm saying at least think about it. Come up with something *different*, at least by 5 degrees, from the party line.
Just speaking for myself, I'd do that, except that I don't see any reason to make up a story here. The 'party line' seems perfectly reasonable and the most likely explanation of events based on the evidence I've seen.
And most certainly the police has no reason to make up a story.
Nope. Not at all.
Having followed this with some interest the following can be stated:
This is not about justice, this is anything but justice, but it is for revenge, and here is how I came to that conclusion:
When this first started, the sides are polarized, divided from the get go, and dividing those who have an interest in this, onto 2 sides. Those who believed the officer was guilty and those who believed that the officer was innocent, and the country watched and saw who all was going all. The problems were coming up from the get go, and building up fast, as there where those who were trying to tip the scales away from justice to that of trying to convict the officer, and the community and city of Ferguson were making it far worse in the long run.
Then the protesting, looting and rioting started and ultimately, it caused problems for all those around, yet no one stopped to think that it was a bad idea, and continued to do such. Even the parents were trying to get revenge for their son, rather than letting justice take place. They were going through and doing everything in their power to try to get revenge. And many bought it hook, line and sinker. Never has there been 3 autopsies before, one by the county, and one by the state, then the federal government gets involved. And to make matters worse, this became something political, when the family went to talk to the UN. This ceased to become a simple criminal case and now it is a political case.
Now the jury has spoken and people are upset, yet fail to realize that the DA, and the attorneys are releasing all information that they can, within the confines of the law. So how is looking and rioting equal to justice? Are we now to feel sorry cause they destroyed their homes, that they destroyed their businesses and places of work? No, if anything this is simply mob mentality and seeking to have revenge, without taking responsibility for their actions.
This is not about justice, this is anything but justice, but it is for revenge, and here is how I came to that conclusion:
When this first started, the sides are polarized, divided from the get go, and dividing those who have an interest in this, onto 2 sides. Those who believed the officer was guilty and those who believed that the officer was innocent, and the country watched and saw who all was going all. The problems were coming up from the get go, and building up fast, as there where those who were trying to tip the scales away from justice to that of trying to convict the officer, and the community and city of Ferguson were making it far worse in the long run.
Then the protesting, looting and rioting started and ultimately, it caused problems for all those around, yet no one stopped to think that it was a bad idea, and continued to do such. Even the parents were trying to get revenge for their son, rather than letting justice take place. They were going through and doing everything in their power to try to get revenge. And many bought it hook, line and sinker. Never has there been 3 autopsies before, one by the county, and one by the state, then the federal government gets involved. And to make matters worse, this became something political, when the family went to talk to the UN. This ceased to become a simple criminal case and now it is a political case.
Now the jury has spoken and people are upset, yet fail to realize that the DA, and the attorneys are releasing all information that they can, within the confines of the law. So how is looking and rioting equal to justice? Are we now to feel sorry cause they destroyed their homes, that they destroyed their businesses and places of work? No, if anything this is simply mob mentality and seeking to have revenge, without taking responsibility for their actions.
a reply to: nullafides
If the coroner, officers, state AD, prosecutors, etc wanted "The status quo". They would have Wilson in jail right now. Instead, facts came to light and Wilson walked, and Ferguson is burning because of it.
Since when are riots the "status quo"?
If the coroner, officers, state AD, prosecutors, etc wanted "The status quo". They would have Wilson in jail right now. Instead, facts came to light and Wilson walked, and Ferguson is burning because of it.
Since when are riots the "status quo"?
a reply to: texasgirl
When bad things are done on purpose for power plays, you need to do something. Its not a badge of virtue when I read posts saying, cops shot this person or that and the whites don't protest. PROTEST in large numbers until the corruption leaves. We all should be doing this non stop. Its the rioting and violence that makes the protests look bad that is the problem, and hence you never know who really is behind that. Possibly the power group that doesn't like the protests or being in the spotlight, but knowing human nature, some is definitely common garden patch thugs.
However, its not a badge of honor to have let the corrupt perpetrators who work for us at tax payers expense get away with corruption. In fact, it means you are turning a blind eye and letting your own children and grandchildren be abused by a system you didn't speak up in.
When bad things are done on purpose for power plays, you need to do something. Its not a badge of virtue when I read posts saying, cops shot this person or that and the whites don't protest. PROTEST in large numbers until the corruption leaves. We all should be doing this non stop. Its the rioting and violence that makes the protests look bad that is the problem, and hence you never know who really is behind that. Possibly the power group that doesn't like the protests or being in the spotlight, but knowing human nature, some is definitely common garden patch thugs.
However, its not a badge of honor to have let the corrupt perpetrators who work for us at tax payers expense get away with corruption. In fact, it means you are turning a blind eye and letting your own children and grandchildren be abused by a system you didn't speak up in.
I imagine MB was probably not reaching into his waistband but attempting to pull his pants up while running. He probably had his pants hanging past
his ankles. MB was 100% responsible fr his own death. If he doesn't get out of bed that day acting like a jackass he is still alive.
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs
Way to twist my words. I guess I should have said "I studied all the evidence I had available to me".
Meaning autopsy reports, eyewitness accounts, GSR tests on Brown's hand, etc.
But go ahead and tie me to that post. I'll bring the lighter fluid.
Way to twist my words. I guess I should have said "I studied all the evidence I had available to me".
Meaning autopsy reports, eyewitness accounts, GSR tests on Brown's hand, etc.
But go ahead and tie me to that post. I'll bring the lighter fluid.
originally posted by: mrsdudara
What, because he was black he shouldn't be considered a man? What age do black kids become adults then?
dude, its any argument to give their opinion more weight..
in this thread last night, early on a member on there told me that its different if you have kids around that age...this person said their son is 18 and makes mistakes...their son comes home after stealing cigarellos......this person said that...
i have an 18 year old son as well...my son goes to school and works...my son does not steal cigarellos...
im tired of those lame ass arguments....
any and every possible reason as to why mike brown(the adult) was gunned down in cold blood by a racist cop
a reply to: ScientificRailgun
No, fair play you've made yourself clear now...
Thanks.
But go ahead and tie me to that post.
No, fair play you've made yourself clear now...
Thanks.
originally posted by: sdcigarpig
Now the jury has spoken and people are upset, yet fail to realize that the DA, and the attorneys are releasing all information that they can, within the confines of the law. So how is looking and rioting equal to justice? Are we now to feel sorry cause they destroyed their homes, that they destroyed their businesses and places of work? No, if anything this is simply mob mentality and seeking to have revenge, without taking responsibility for their actions.
I'll wager that if the tables were turned, that caucasians or any other "race" (and dear lord, do I freaking hate that term, it is so wrong from a scientific level it's not even funny), the same response would be had.
Skin pigmentation does not equate passive compliance with the law.
originally posted by: Grovit
i think it is instilled and passed down to them....
look at last night....even in the middle of getting the gas they didnt seem to understand they were doing it to themselves....they hate the cops...the cops are racist faggots....someone said they are like isis and hitler...
so all those people are going to go home to their kids(who they were not with) and pass on all that hate to them...gonna fill their heads with all that BS....
gonna tell all those kids that all they wanted was a peaceful protest but the racist oppressive cops wouldnt allow it...
those kids are gonna grow up thinking just like their parents and the circle is going to continue...
all their problems are everyone elses fault...that is something else theyre gonna pass on..
gonna pass on how bad it sucks for them not being able to find work.....even though they are the people that are looting and setting businesses on fire, so people have no job to go to....
thats my theory on it
This is exactly what I have been saying for years. We here in the US are dealing with a victim mentality, ghetto glorifying, violence worshipping, 'I deserve it' counter culture that somehow has spared the rest of the globe.
Until the black community has a collective epiphany and proceed to un# themselves we will continue to see these wonderful displays of devolution televised.
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