Ladies, I WILL look at your boobs if you give me the chance.

a reply to: signalfire

That's not true. Cut the whole "women hate sex!" BS. Women get just as horny as men, hell, they get even hornier at times, but it's not socially acceptable for women to be sexual aggressors; men are supposed to make sexual advances in our culture, and if a woman does so, then she is stigmatized as slutty, easy, worthless, etc.

People are sexual creatures, but our ass-backward culture has made sex a taboo thing; something to be ashamed of. There is no shame in human nature. Men are going to check women out because it's what they are wired to do; sexual attraction for males is highly physical because a woman's fertility is measured by her body's health. Women are wired to look for certain traits in a sexual partner and life partner, so attraction for them is far less physical. Yes, initial attraction is more lenient toward how a guy looks, but women determine whether a man is sex worthy by what he communicates both verbally and through body language, voice tone, etc.

a reply to: nerbot

You started a thread called "LADIES: I WILL LOOK AT YOUR BOOBS IF YOU GIVE ME THE CHANCE"

And then racked up stars and flags. You are my new ATS hero.

originally posted by: signalfire
The problem isn't your 'basic human desire' which by the way, women don't have in such abundance, or seemingly insatiable need for. You don't see women spending good money on an endless supply of pictures of naked men...

Most women especially the young ones, have no clue what you're talking about. THEY'RE NOT WIRED LIKE THIS AND DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. Women have ~1/100th of the testosterone and thus sex drive that you do. While we may be dressing to attract attention (thank you Madison Avenue you f**ks) because we've been taught to, or worse yet, have little idea of what worth we may have beyond being 'attractive', the thing here is YOUR insistence that 'feminism' is to blame for the negative response you seem to be getting.

I don't know about that. In family reunions, my aunts would always want to hug and kiss me and always told out loud how good looking I am. Some would put their hands on my hips

I used to attend a church where nearly all members are women. I was put in a small group where I'm the only guy. After some time, the sexual overtones in the conversation and jokes on me kept increasing. Have I not left the church, things could have escalated.

I had so many public encounters too with complete strangers then my two young adult female cousins who kept brushing their things to me. My big sister who loves to kiss and hug me and always keeps asking me if I could be her boyfriend, wha???

I only make little money and I'm not very brilliant. But I doubt the sex drive of women 1/100 of men. From my observation, I think it's 1/3 or even 1/2.

Perhaps, that is only what you think but maybe women are only more picky and find less men who are sexually attractive to them but when they do find them, they are about as aggressive as men. The only big difference I see is that women won't push things as far as men which is why there are far more male who perpetrate sexual abuse.

I think many women do not understand the tendency of men to focus tightly on a detail instinctlvely.

I may be wrong, but in talking to other people of both sexes, it seems to me that more women tend to take in things globally, as a whole- the relationships between parts take on more importance than the parts separately.

So many women think- okay my boobs will be part of this impression received of me, but only a part of the whole. It will be taken in along with the rest of my body, my movements, the words I say, the expressions of my face.

We tend to find men attractive based on the relationship of all these details. That's why a photo of a naked man has limited impact- we can't hear what kind of personality will come from their words, movements and expressions- all that is what makes the whole of the person either attractive and sexy, or not. That combination is what will grab and hold our attention, or not.

More differences in object and relation, that we do well to discuss and try to understand about each other.


Made myself LOL- a memory arose of a ranch I stayed at once, spending the day riding and working with cattle. One day we had a group of men come to perform a rodeo for us. Spurred on by the excitement of a a fun day riding, being covered with dust, in our boots (probably a rise in masculine hormones due to the aggressive nature of the activities) and quite a few beers in the hot sun, we girls started commenting on one of the men who looked mighty good, making even some rather lewd jokes).

Then, he opened his mouth, spilling out something completely and utterly idiotic, with all his front teeth missing. We all dropped our jaws and were sufficiently repulsed to put away the beers. The guy lost all his "sexiness" in a second. Seriously, we suddenly couldn't remember what it was we found interesting in his appearence any more.

I think many men, in the same situation, would just shrug and make a joke like- well, you could still put a bag over her head and tap that anyway!

a reply to: DeadSeraph

I'll take that as a compliment.

I started this rant out of frustration really and stats mean nothing to me really as after about 7 1/2 years of being a member I have slunk back into the shadows to become a bit of a lurker.

cheers.

a reply to: nerbot

If they dress for attention, they are going to get attention.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

a reply to: signalfire



I have seen first hand women staring down a man like he was oasis in the middle of a desert.

I have seen women go crazy over a guy and start grabbing at him without shame.

I've been touched by women inappropriately.

that 1/100th testosterone thing is a lie. Women can be just as bad as men if not worse in some cases.

I've seen it.

Men want to spread their seed everywhere we possibly can, in as many places as possible. Women want the best possible mate for the creation of offspring. That being said, were all sexual creatures with urges and fantasies. I've been out at bars and had women I've just met feeling me up in the pants area, I got a bunch of high fives from my pals after. a guy just meets a girl and tries that he will get a beat down from anyone around because that's not cool.

There are different expectations and standards of behavior for men and women there always have been and always will be. If i go out in a pair of pants that frame my "package" in a way that anyone who glances down there knows just how big i am then id expect stares. Women should expect the same thing if i can tell what type of underwear your wearing when i look at your ass or boobs. If you look good why can't i say "hello beautiful"? would you prefer i said "well you look like a troll"? no you wouldn't. Hell, if i had 1/10th the compliments that chick got thrown my way by women I would be on top of the world. Just take a damn compliment.

There is looking, which is healthy and natural for anyone and then there is that creepy stalker # some guys pull. there is never a reason to make someone feel unsafe. if you want to say something keep it classy and drop itif you don't get a response.

a reply to: intrepid

Agreed. But should the OP be allowed to? Would he feel the same? Not all women are "out there".

I propose he do just that. Spend a week walking the streets in a speedo...

B( . )( . )bs

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: nerbot

Wow.


To ogle is now a human male desire?


Why not make eye contact...
It works wonders...
Better than looks or money.

If you are a realist enough to know you are never going to get it, why not gander. It's free, unless you get slapped.

a reply to: nerbot

Typical boob perving doesn't worry me.

I did get angry once when a friend of mine was staring at the lower part of my body. I had linen trousers on at the time and they were white and I always wear neutral underwear with white clothing so my underwear isn't seen through it because the linen fabric can be see through/sheer. Anyway, he was sitting in my lounge talking to me whilst his eyes were on that part of my body. I got so angry. I would rather have had him stare at my boobs.

originally posted by: Thurisaz
a reply to: nerbot

Typical boob perving doesn't worry me.

I did get angry once when a friend of mine was staring at the lower part of my body. I had linen trousers on at the time and they were white and I always wear neutral underwear with white clothing so my underwear isn't seen through it because the linen fabric can be see through/sheer. Anyway, he was sitting in my lounge talking to me whilst his eyes were on that part of my body. I got so angry. I would rather have had him stare at my boobs.

I had female friend come over to my place and introduce me to one of her friends.
I was sitting on a pillow on the floor having lunch. I noticed that she kept diverting her gaze to my crotch area and gave her a somewhat annoyed questioning glance.
She pointed a finger and said "Ummmmm."
Turns out my fly was undone and I wasn't wearing underwear. The cow was getting out of the gate.

There IS a conspiracy here, we need to bring this to light. In one part of the world women are covered from head to toe, and heckled. In another, they are nearly butt naked and heckled.

Then here in this country they are bombarded with imagery telling them to dress a certain way, then they are heckled, and live in constant fear of being raped and beaten. Then men are stuck with this insane contradiction where we are attracted but don't want to make you uncomfortable.

What is this pervasive anxiety that we all have to live with!?!

Personally, I don't judge women by their clothes or bodies on a serious level. I am not even thinking sexual thoughts or having weird impulses, I just look, sometimes entirely by accident without even realizing what I am doing. Then it comes off as being some evil sex stare. What do we even do about this?

Sometimes it seems like women are worried about how they you look and at the same time soo paranoid about being attacked. This is a direct contradiction. Keep these two elements in balance women and don't take out your discomforts on innocent men. But at the same time, us men need to respect women and not heckle them or attack them. That is my proposed solution

originally posted by: Attentionwandered
There IS a conspiracy here, we need to bring this to light. In one part of the world women are covered from head to toe, and heckled. In another, they are nearly butt naked and heckled.

Then here in this country they are bombarded with imagery telling them to dress a certain way, then they are heckled, and live in constant fear of being raped and beaten. Then men are stuck with this insane contradiction where we are attracted but don't want to make you uncomfortable.

What is this pervasive anxiety that we all have to live with!?!

Personally, I don't judge women by their clothes or bodies on a serious level. I am not even thinking sexual thoughts or having weird impulses, I just look, sometimes entirely by accident without even realizing what I am doing. Then it comes off as being some evil sex stare. What do we even do about this?

Sometimes it seems like women are worried about how they you look and at the same time soo paranoid about being attacked. This is a direct contradiction. Keep these two elements in balance women and don't take out your discomforts on innocent men. But at the same time, us men need to respect women and not heckle them or attack them. That is my proposed solution

Men are ignored for how much money they don't have. Each gender has their standards that more or less they are expected to adhere to.

I don't personally adhere to any male standard, but I am single for it.

I totally agree. Thhey be strutting their stuff and everyone be looking. Now to be honest who doesn't like boobs? I know my g/f and I both think boobs and nipples are sexy. Along with looking and staring is totally excepted as long as there is no eye contact with gesture that would be suggesting adultery. And I totally think that they know when they wear them low cut shirt and tight lulu lemon pants they are going to get some stares and that's what they want. Aint nothing wrong with oogleling a lil. IMHO
Thanks for bringing up a good topic

a reply to: signalfire

You're going to disagree with this I'm sure, but women are actually worse than men. Yes, you read correctly. Women are WORSE than men when it comes to sex. They just hide it better. But make no mistake, when women are together in the bathroom, doing girlie things, I can guarantee the 'shop talk' can make some men blush. When it comes to sex, oh boy....the man BETTER perform right or he's out. Bottom line. Get it right or get out, no second chances. Yeah, I know what I'm talking about. You can deny deny deny but this is the truth. Once she has dropped all the "games" and has decided to go with her female hormones, women are worse than men when it comes to the sack. I've been in enough relationships to know how maniacal women can be in the bedroom. Once she's got em, no need to hide the sexuality anymore. Like hyde and jekyll.

Women have learned to 'hide' their sexuality in public or among their female peers out of fear of one word. It begins with a capital "S" The dreaded S word. You know the word and it's the last thing women want to be labeled as in front of their female counterparts.

lol, this came to mind

originally posted by: corvuscorrax
Men are ignored for how much money they don't have. Each gender has their standards that more or less they are expected to adhere to.

I don't personally adhere to any male standard, but I am single for it.

I know the feeling.

Some of the most wonderful things in life are missed because the wood cannot be seen for the trees.

I don't know how the rest of you feel but.....this thread is pretty much worthless without pictures.